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madoka

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shit man--$500k in savings and he made $750k last year?

I would reach his $3 million goal in about 5 years, maybe less, with that salary.

Taxes at his salary range, take a huge hit to your income. I don't think it's even possible to reach that goal in five years due to taxes alone.
 

dullard

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Taxes at his salary range, take a huge hit to your income. I don't think it's even possible to reach that goal in five years due to taxes alone.
I'll assume he is married, that the TOTAL household income is $750k/year, and that he has $50k/year that isn't taxable (deductions, exemptions, etc). Then he'd pay $222,866.30 in federal taxes (30% net rate) and $67,751.6 in California state taxes (9% net rate). That leaves him with $459,382/year after taxes. If he spent $100k/year, then it would take him 7 years to reach his goal of $2.5M additional cash.

Move that cash into reasonable investments and it would likely be closer to 6 years or less (depending on the investment performance).

Zinfamous isn't that far off.
 
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dullard

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$3 million cash is his goal. He also owns three homes, two of which are in the seven figure range in the Bay Area that he'll be renting out. He also has options, 401k, etc. I'm sure he's done all the calculations and knows exactly what he needs.
Ok, that makes a lot more sense.
 

Ns1

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he sounds like one of those guys that's going to die with 7 million in the bank, driving a used 2003 kia.


dude's got the money, why doesn't he just create a company and write that shit off. most of it is going to taxes anyway.
 

madoka

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The guy does better than you financially so it sounds like your criticism is uneeded and even irrelevant.

I think the problem is that he is working himself into an early grave. As his friend, I should voice my concern.

Being less happy than you would otherwise (or worse being a miserable miser) for ~40 years of working just to die shortly into retirement is not smart. And neither is having a retirement in poverty because you under-saved. It is all about balance.

I've told him to slow down and enjoy life more. I even offered to pay the entirety of the lease interest free and he could pay me back whenever. I'd rather he get what he wants now than watch him grind away for months.

I think your "friend" sounds made up.

LOL. Why would you think I'd make this up?

He sounds fishy. I don't go around telling people I'm sitting on 500K cash if I did.

We're close. We discuss each other's personal lives, finances, etc. He knows how I spend my money and vice versa. Heck, ATOT knows how I spend much of my money.
 

zinfamous

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I'll assume he is married, that the TOTAL household income is $750k/year, and that he has $50k/year that isn't taxable (deductions, exemptions, etc). Then he'd pay $222,866.30 in federal taxes (30% net rate) and $67,751.6 in California state taxes (9% net rate). That leaves him with $459,382/year after taxes. If he spent $100k/year, then it would take him 7 years to reach his goal of $2.5M additional cash.

Move that cash into reasonable investments and it would likely be closer to 6 years or less (depending on the investment performance).

Zinfamous isn't that far off.

well yeah, and then there's Switzerland... :whiste:
 

madoka

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he sounds like one of those guys that's going to die with 7 million in the bank, driving a used 2003 kia.

I've made a similar argument to him. He has a very strong desire to see that his kids and wife are taken care of. His wife is essentially helpless.

Considering my leased Honda Fit was $234/mo, a Genesis for $300/mo is amazing.

That's what I told him. I'm now thinking about doing it, but I've run out of garage space.

It is easy to spend a lot of money on food if you eat out all the time. Some people just do not like to cook. Food could also include alcoholic beverages like wine, beer or scotch, etc.

Correct. He goes out to fancy, nice restaurants frequently. But he's spending $100 per day on GROCERIES alone! That's what is mind-blowing to me. I can't imagine what he's buying, which is why I jokingly asked if his wife could be skimming off the top.
 

Tweak155

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I don't think he's doing a *bad* thing, but I don't think $300/mo will impact his finances in any meaningful way, good or bad. So while not *bad*, I'll just call it silly.
 
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NetWareHead

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His wife is essentially helpless.


Correct. He goes out to fancy, nice restaurants frequently. But he's spending $100 per day on GROCERIES alone! That's what is mind-blowing to me. I can't imagine what he's buying, which is why I jokingly asked if his wife could be skimming off the top.

Helpless wife. Maybe she also cant cook. Grocery bills add up qickly when you buy microwavable meals, ready to eat items, candy, chips, soda snacks etc... Probably why he goes out to eat all the time too. I grew up in a 5 person household and we had enough food for an army for far less per day that this. If you can cook, can shop savvy and avoid restaurants you save a ton of money.
 

madoka

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I'll assume he is married, that the TOTAL household income is $750k/year, and that he has $50k/year that isn't taxable (deductions, exemptions, etc). Then he'd pay $222,866.30 in federal taxes (30% net rate) and $67,751.6 in California state taxes (9% net rate). That leaves him with $459,382/year after taxes. If he spent $100k/year, then it would take him 7 years to reach his goal of $2.5M additional cash.

Move that cash into reasonable investments and it would likely be closer to 6 years or less (depending on the investment performance).

Zinfamous isn't that far off.

According to this tax calculator, his annual take home pay is $400K.

http://www.taxformcalculator.com/tax/750000.html

$400K x 5 = $2 million.

It is impossible for him to save that much in five years even assuming no other expenses.

Assuming Zin lived Tridentboy-poor in the Bay Area, he'd be able to save about $300K per year, so it would take him about 10 years to save up to $3 million.
 

Ns1

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wait, he spends $100/day on groceries but won't spend $300/month on a car?
 

madoka

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wait, he spends $100/day on groceries but won't spend $300/month on a car?

That's what I'm saying! It's mind boggling to me. Just his morning coffee and pastries probably would pay for most of that car. But his priorities are really different from mine.
 

Ns1

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I mean for reference, $100/day on groceries is 5 pounds of king crab legs every fucking day

...or 2 pizzas delivered in SF.
 

madoka

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I mean for reference, $100/day on groceries is 5 pounds of king crab legs every fucking day

...or 2 pizzas delivered in SF.

According to him, they only buy all that organic, free-range, grown by hippies using unicorn manure stuff. I guess that adds up.
 

Ns1

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According to him, they only buy all that organic, free-range, grown by hippies using unicorn manure stuff. I guess that adds up.

oh, so like 2 pounds of beef at Belcampo prices.
 

Nhirlathothep

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Recently a friend asked me to look for a good lease for him. Thanks to those in the Garage forum, I suggested the Genesis for $300 per month, which I think is a great deal.

He responded that he'd have to save up for a few months to be able to afford it. My reaction was WTF.

He is an executive at a global company. Last year he made $750,000 and he is sitting on $500,000 in cash.

To me it's mind-blowing that he won't spend such a trivial amount of money for that car and asked why he's being so tight-fisted. From his point of view, he won't feel financially comfortable until he accumulates $3 million (so that he could retire if necessary). Since he is way more financially savvy than me, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But I can't help feeling that he should enjoy life more.

What do you guys think.

Genesis for me is Megadrive, i had to read it 2 times to understand, but still unsure
 

zinfamous

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According to this tax calculator, his annual take home pay is $400K.

http://www.taxformcalculator.com/tax/750000.html

$400K x 5 = $2 million.

It is impossible for him to save that much in five years even assuming no other expenses.

Assuming Zin lived Tridentboy-poor in the Bay Area, he'd be able to save about $300K per year, so it would take him about 10 years to save up to $3 million.

Yeah but Tridentboy poor is spending money on Dance lessons and trashcans.

I spend money on Index funds at the very minimum so at 300k/yr with ~6% returns is 9.5 years.

But $100k/yr in the Bay Area living expenses? That's nuts! I lived there for the last 8 years at $50k and less and went out boozing most weekends, vacations every other year or so (the long fun ones; shorter ones various times of each year) and did well. ...But I didn't have much saved after that. Not at all. I ate out for lunch nearly every day. Hell, an extra free $50k on top of that you are giving me would be $$ in the bank.

Now with my new habits of spending no unnecessary money on lunches throughout the week (it's easier because food is way shittier here ) and less boozing (also more expensive and shittier), with me being me: that's like $360k/year that I would be able to save with the take home numbers you are giving me.

...But I think that calculator isn't being as creative with tax savings as it could be, unfortunately. Should be able to take home $500k at least off of that.
 

madoka

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Yeah but Tridentboy poor is spending money on Dance lessons and trashcans.

I spend money on Index funds at the very minimum so at 300k/yr with ~6% returns is 9.5 years.

But $100k/yr in the Bay Area living expenses? That's nuts! I lived there for the last 8 years at $50k and less and went out boozing most weekends, vacations every other year or so (the long fun ones; shorter ones various times of each year) and did well. ...But I didn't have much saved after that. Not at all. I ate out for lunch nearly every day. Hell, an extra free $50k on top of that you are giving me would be $$ in the bank.

How on earth did you pull that off?

Assuming you're not buying high end vacuums and bespoke suits, the rent alone would be almost half that $100K, and that's for a ONE bedroom apartment!

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/San-Francisco-rent-cost-drop-rental-6690357.php

According to apartment rental startup Zumper, rent in San Francisco for a one-bedroom apartment fell to $3,500, a 4.6% drop from the highest rental price of $3,670, this past October.
 

zinfamous

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How on earth did you pull that off?

Assuming you're not buying high end vacuums and bespoke suits, the rent alone would be almost half that $100K, and that's for a ONE bedroom apartment!

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/San-Francisco-rent-cost-drop-rental-6690357.php

lol. San Francisco. You know as well as I do how large the Bay Area is.

wtf would I live in SF? (it's probably the shittiest big city in the US, imo).

My rent for 1 BR was between 1100-1200 living in Berkeley and Albany in that time. And yes--I know that while Oakland through El Cerrito were some of the last holdouts in the entire Bay Area, the rents there have now caught up and skyrocketed during the time I was still paying ~2010 rent in 2015.

When I left my last place, my 1180 rent was re-offered for $1500. According to that landlord, the first applicant was (no surprise) a silicon valley jerk that scoffed at the price and requested to pay $1800....wtf.

The temporary place I was living the few months before moving out here was $1200 (sorta took over that lease) and walking distance to campus--way undervalued even for when that lease was signed several years earlier. Landlord supposedly rented that out for $1400 after I left (it was the advertised CL rent). That landlord was also super sketchy and turned out to be real scummy. Tried to scam my GF out of her security deposit by making some bullshit up after I was gone (We did a walkaround on move out and everything was great--I even had a witness), so that oddball rent makes sense.

Anyway, SF is the absolute last place I would live in the Bay Area.

But rent, although large, is one piece of the puzzle. Where one chooses to live and how much to spend on that living really depends on where they work. How much does it cost to get to work and back every day? That's a huge cost that most ignore. If it works out that I happened to work in SF with x salary and rent + getting to work is cheaper than living across the Bay or southbay, then I would do it. BART is pretty poor with monthly, work-based passes though. I recall the minimum expense for monthly BART commuting to be about $120 (and this is only taking it a few stops). I happened to either be able to walk to work and back every day (can't beat that), or take AC Transit bus for $30/month.
 
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eng2d2

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Its his money though and its only a car. I used to like cars and wish I can still say that. When I travelled to europe I started taking public transportation when I came back. I go to car show and force myself to get interested again but can't do it.
 
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