Is this the end of Twinkies?

[spidey07]

But it's not a right for unions to collectively bargain.... gotcha.

They can bargain all they want. I can tell them to fuck off.

It's a free country.

 

[Dulanic]

They can bargain all they want. I can tell them to fuck off.

It's a free country.

Or they can tell a company to fuck off like happened here.

 

[spidey07]

Or they can tell a company to fuck off like happened here.

No, that is NOT what happened here because of contract hostage of the company. That's the problem with unions, it's a one sided deal.

Good job unions! You shut down another company! Way to go! You won!

wait...now you don't have a job or income or much of anything. But you won!

 

[Dulanic]

No, that is NOT what happened here because of contract hostage of the company. That's the problem with unions, it's a one sided deal.

Good job unions! You shut down another company! Way to go! You won!

wait...now you don't have a job or income or much of anything. But you won!

Good job executives! You ran a company like shit and took huge raises while doing so. Now you don't have a job.. but you win!

This isn't a one sided coin you dumbshit.

 

[spidey07]

Good job executives! You ran a company like shit and took huge raises while doing so. Now you don't have a job.. but you win!

This isn't a one sided coin you dumbshit.

Yeah, but with the capital I earned I can just go somewhere else and am safe for many years. There is a market for my skills, not so much for the guy making twinkies.

I told you life isn't fair, one chooses the loser path or the winner path.

When the lower and middle class learn WHY they remain in that place is the moment they move up. For the extreme majority of them they will never learn this lesson and blame their lot in life on somebody other than themselves.

Yeah...I got mine, I will keep getting mine. Why are you complaining and not getting yours? The mind of the liberal.

 

[theevilsharpie]

LOL that is the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard. Management should take a raise from 750K to 2.25 million in the middle of going through bankruptcy? That is not working for free.... I am talking about taking a 300% raise while cutting the rest of the company. CEOs are commonly rewarded for drilling companies into the ground and it is fucking sick.

Let me rephrase an earlier post you made in this thread:

What would you do if your boss creditors took a 300% pay raise took your bonuses and equity and you were working for a sinking company? I know what I would do... I'd quit and find another job, especially if I knew the company was sinking anyways.

See what I did there?

As I said earlier, distressed companies need to pay their mid- and high-level staff (i.e., anyone that's capable of jumping ship) more than financially-sound companies, because the risk and uncertainty is higher. This is especially true when non-salary compensation options (e.g., stock, perks, etc.) aren't available. This isn't rocket science; risky activities of any sort need to offer greater rewards to attract participants.

The staff at the bottom would do the exact same thing if they had the opportunity. The only reason they didn't jump ship earlier was because they're mostly unskilled and semi-skilled workers who don't have as much job mobility.

Is it fair? Probably not, but it is what it is.

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[spidey07]

Yep. I was on a severance package to stay on board a failing company. Got 80 grand on that. Was only there 2 years.

Market your skills. Stop blaming management for your career failure. This attitude only leads to loser. It is self full filling.

 

[Engineer]

Let me rephrase an earlier post you made in this thread:

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See what I did there?

As I said earlier, distressed companies need to pay their mid- and high-level staff (i.e., anyone that's capable of jumping ship) more than financially-sound companies, because the risk and uncertainty is higher. This is especially true when non-salary compensation options (e.g., stock, perks, etc.) aren't available. This isn't rocket science; risky activities of any sort need to offer greater rewards to attract participants.

The staff at the bottom would do the exact same thing if they had the opportunity. The only reason they didn't jump ship earlier was because they're mostly unskilled and semi-skilled workers who don't have as much job mobility.

Is it fair? Probably not, but it is what it is.

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That's what I always do, pay more to retain people who are part of the running me into the ground. I mean, they are doing such a great job that they deserve more money to keep them here. EVERYONE should give back if everyone wants the company to succeed. EVERYONE. All you do by what you are proposing is to get the labor side pissed off to the point that they follow through with the death threat and let the place close on down, exactly as happened.

 

[theevilsharpie]

That's what I always do, pay more to retain people who are part of the running me into the ground.

You're making a pretty big assumption, here.

 

[Engineer]

You're making a pretty big assumption, here.

No more of an assumption than you who stated that they NEEDED to pay them more to keep them (executives).

 

[spidey07]

So true...

 

[IGBT]

how do you say twinkies in Chinese?? Is it true foxcon is going into the bakeries business??

 

[lotus503]

No, that is NOT what happened here because of contract hostage of the company. That's the problem with unions, it's a one sided deal.

Good job unions! You shut down another company! Way to go! You won!

wait...now you don't have a job or income or much of anything. But you won!

So when execs run a company into the ground it's good when it's not the execs it's bad.

Your a dumb ass

 

[CitizenKain]

Yeah, but with the capital I earned I can just go somewhere else and am safe for many years. There is a market for my skills, not so much for the guy making twinkies.

I told you life isn't fair, one chooses the loser path or the winner path.

When the lower and middle class learn WHY they remain in that place is the moment they move up. For the extreme majority of them they will never learn this lesson and blame their lot in life on somebody other than themselves.

Yeah...I got mine, I will keep getting mine. Why are you complaining and not getting yours? The mind of the liberal.

Yea, I'm sure everyone is itching for someone with a gambling problem that posts on forums all day. Good thing you lucked into money I guess.

Hostess failed because they are shitty company run by shitty people, but were able to lay the blame on the workers, and the rightwingers are stupid enough to believe it.

 

[sportage]

It's about time the Twinkie died off.
You know they caused brain damage don't you?
Which had a major roll in the killing of Mayor George Moscone and Harvey Milk.
Court documented fact!!!

 

[monovillage]

It's about time the Twinkie died off.
You know they caused brain damage don't you?
Which had a major roll in the killing of Mayor George Moscone and Harvey Milk.
Court documented fact!!!

http://www.snopes.com/legal/twinkie.asp

 

[WhipperSnapper]

If wages are too low, find a higher-paying job or improve your skills/resumé so you can get a higher-paying job.

That's hard to do when your government and the wealthy who control it have exposed your nation to the economic ravages of Global Labor Arbitrage. The personal responsibility dogma sounds good on the surface, but it's really an instance of "no-think" economics.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Instead of baking Twinkies, maybe the workers should begin building guillotines that can be used to exterminate the top 5%.

 

[trenchfoot]

Management is responsible for keeping their businesses afloat, not the employees, whether they be unionized or non-unionized.

Perfect example: the auto makers. Management determined every aspect of the product they manufactured and sold. Management determined what their product would look like, how their product performed, what consumers wanted to buy, how their assembly lines are arranged, where to place their employees to best advantage, how to market their product, what level of quality their product should have, forecasting future demand, as well as making a multitude of decisions on a hourly/daily basis that ultimately affect the profitability of their company.

The employees on the assembly line, whether they be union or non-union can only do the jobs they are assigned, nothing more, nothing less. They have no other responsibilities but to do as they are told.

This being the case, how is it that when a company fails, the hourly paid employees are the only ones to blame, especially the UNIONIZED ones. Why only the unionized ones, when businesses that employ only non-unionized personnel fail every minute, every day of the year?

 

[boomerang]

Instead of baking Twinkies, maybe the workers should begin building guillotines that can be used to exterminate the top 5%.

From the mouths of progessives...

Would you like to see this across the board? No exceptions? Race, creed, color and party affiliation don't factor in? Exterminate the top 5% with no considerations whatsoever? 6% and higher you live, 5% and lower - dead. Does it then reset? I ask because the 6% are now the 1%.

I'm trying to get a handle on how your progressive utopia will play out.

 

[Baptismbyfire]

I don't understand where all this anti-union sentiment comes from. Yes, there are some bad apples when it comes to unions, but what do you think would happen if unions were suddenly to disappear one day? Do you think everyone would hold hands and sing songs in mutual prosperity? What has history shown us when people lose their voice through collective bargaining and representation? Those at the top, whether it is government officials or heads of corporations waste no time to enslave the people at the bottom. Of course, there will always be a select percentage in the middle, who will do better than before by doing the bidding of the few at the top, but overall, everyone's standard of living goes down the tube. I'm not all for unions, and see how unions at times make some very selfish decisions, but I am amazed when I see people solely blame unions for the problems of the world, without taking into consideration the very complex nature of the issue, which requires layers after layers of unpeeling. I wonder if this absolute hatred for unions I sometimes see on this board is the product of pro-business slant in education and on the news everyday.

 

[Ferocious]

This has nothing to do with the unions. The company was toast very soon anyways....this was just convenient timing for them. They were probably upset the Teamsters agreed last week. Caught them off guard.

With all the unemployed people....combined with the ones that did cross the line....IF the company truly wanted to continue operations...they could have hired replacement workers....even permanently. I don't imagine a lot of extensive training required to make a twinkie.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/11/16/fox-ignores-hostess-array-of-troubles-to-scapeg/191440

 

[Londo_Jowo]

This has nothing to do with the unions. The company was toast very soon anyways....this was just convenient timing for them. They were probably upset the Teamsters agreed last week. Caught them off guard.

With all the unemployed people....combined with the ones that did cross the line....IF the company truly wanted to continue operations...they could have hired replacement workers....even permanently. I don't imagine a lot of extensive training required to make a twinkie.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/11/16/fox-ignores-hostess-array-of-troubles-to-scapeg/191440

So why pay anything more than minimum wage if anyone off the street can be trained to do the job in matter of days?

 

[feralkid]

This has nothing to do with the unions. The company was toast very soon anyways....this was just convenient timing for them. They were probably upset the Teamsters agreed last week. Caught them off guard.

With all the unemployed people....combined with the ones that did cross the line....IF the company truly wanted to continue operations...they could have hired replacement workers....even permanently. I don't imagine a lot of extensive training required to make a twinkie.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/11/16/fox-ignores-hostess-array-of-troubles-to-scapeg/191440

That simple truth seems to have completely escaped a certain loudmouthed drunken gambling addict.

 

[KlokWyze]

[GOP-RAGE]nonsense[/GOP-RAGE]