Is this the new S5?

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OIS should be standard on a flagship phone these days.
Only one manufacturer implemented OIS and now it's a MUST? It's a nice to have, and soon it will become a standard, but look at overall camera performance first. The iPhone still has a great camera and it doesn't have OIS.
 

openwheel

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Only one manufacturer implemented OIS and now it's a MUST? It's a nice to have, and soon it will become a standard, but look at overall camera performance first. The iPhone still has a great camera and it doesn't have OIS.

Nokia, LG, and HTC all have OIS hardware. Look at LG G2 and its ability to take amazing shots way above iPhone 5S' ability. Whether they have the software to back it up is another story. There is only so much you can do with software improvement when it comes to camera. I'd rather have fewer cores and get better camera hardware. The Note 3 for example, takes beautiful 4K videos, but it would take amazing 4K videos if it gains OIS.

Just because Apple maximizes the hardware limitation of Sony's optics with software, that doesn't mean Samsung can't provide better hardware.
 

s44

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The main problem is the unimproved bezel/screen ratio and the big weight jump make it look like Samsung pushed past the point of positive returns on screen size.

Maybe the battery life will be killer, though. And I suspect the camera will be nice.
 

Zaap

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Don't get hung up on the numbers Apple's iterations haven't always been as overtly dramatic, but they have been big strides forward (even the 4S rolled out major improvements to the CPU and camera, and introduced Siri). The company was the first with an ultra-sharp display, built-in natural language voice search, a 64-bit mobile processor (though ARMv8 is the meaningful gain right now) and a fingerprint sensor you'd actually want to use... I'd say those are big achievements.
Thats just it thought, you're tallying up achievements from years ago, and comparing it to what Samsung is doing right now, which is what always happens in these comparisons. (Because it's basically all that can be done). Apple gets endless *ahem laurel-resting* credit for things like Siri (never mind I was using Google voice commands a solid year before that) but we're all supposed to not count that Samsung has bigger displays, higher resolutions, Wacom pen integration, power user features like removable battery/expandable storage, etc.

Samsung has spent a lot of time coming out with features many actually care about. Apple has as well, but be honest, it hasn't been fast and furious, it's been slow and plodding.

I love how Samsung takes flak for a phone like the SGS5 (I personally would have one any day of the week compared to last year's itty-bitty phone) but Apple's incremental upgrades get stacked in the 'major innovation!" column. It's like I say- they ONLY are tallied that way, because Apple isn't exactly spoiling anyone with regularity.

I do want more from Apple, but you've got a somewhat selective memory of who's innovating what. Remember, the Galaxy S and (to a lesser extent) S II were deliberate copies of Apple's overall design language and interface.
This has all been hashed over a million times- Apple's done plenty of deliberate copying of its own, it's just that once again, since the expectation bar/update frequency from Apple is set so blazingly low, those too get stacked high in the "major innovation!" column rather than greeted with "meh."


(see the GS4's eye scrolling or the GS5's already wonky fingerprint sensor).
Wait, wait, let me guess. The iPhones never-wonky, perfectly working "AMAZING! REVOLUTIONARY!" fingerprint sensor gets gold stars and top place in the major innovations' column, whereas we've already declared Samsung's a failure. Sounds about par for the course.



At any rate, the point is that it's difficult and unrealistic for any company to completely overhaul its flagship device every year. To pretend that Samsung is somehow immune from that reality is just as naive as a die-hard Apple fan claiming that the iPhone doesn't need a screen bigger than 4 inches. The GS5 looks like it should still be a nice phone in many respects, but we're going to have to accept that it's not a game changer for anyone but fitness junkies.
I think you simply missed the point- you're RIGHT about constant overhauls being unrealistic. Where you're missing it, is the reason its taken differently when its Samsung. Fans of Samsung don't expect to wait several years for a Galaxy 4S, they've come to expect an actual upgrade worthy of a full model number bump. (And STILL not wait years for it). IN Appleland, ho-hum S updates to the same model number are expected... no wait.. they're MAJOR INNOVATIONS, I forgot.
 

QueBert

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Eh? The S4 was actually just as loud as, if not louder than (device variation) the One.

Anyway, they should call the S5 the S4S... I see no significant advances anywhere over the Note 3 half-generation, except Exynos Infinity which won't be in the US versions anyway.

The One's speakers sounds worlds better and is louder.
 

DeathReborn

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I am slightly disappointed in the S5, I was expecting a higher res screen at least. I do like the Nexus 7 style back and the extra weight & size would also be good for me.

I currently use a S3 (Exynos) and was going to upgrade to the S5 for the resolution, LTE & faster performance but am now thinking about waiting for the Note 4. It's a bit of a pain really as I require the SD slot, won't touch LG devices & my mum is expecting to get my S3 to tide her over until her upgrade next year.

There are still rumours of another S5 with Exynos & LTE (even though it's not active in my town until July) which might tempt me but if I hear of a 1440/1600p Note 4 before that is out I'll definitely skip the S5.
 

gorcorps

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Ugh... I think this is the point where Samsung loses a noticeable group of people. The S series has gotten way too physically big, and with this release there's little reason for it. Waterproofing is what people blame but I don't know... My s4 active isn't much bigger than the s4.

On the plus side I don't have much of a desire to get one.
 

StrangerGuy

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Ugh... I think this is the point where Samsung loses a noticeable group of people. The S series has gotten way too physically big, and with this release there's little reason for it. Waterproofing is what people blame but I don't know... My s4 active isn't much bigger than the s4.

On the plus side I don't have much of a desire to get one.

The ironic part IMO is Samsung likes plastic so much but yet they suck so hard in making plastic phones that feel anywhere near good. My Sony Xperia SP is also all plastic but yet feels so much better than a S4 and cost only half.
 

dawheat

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Ugh... I think this is the point where Samsung loses a noticeable group of people. The S series has gotten way too physically big, and with this release there's little reason for it. Waterproofing is what people blame but I don't know... My s4 active isn't much bigger than the s4.

On the plus side I don't have much of a desire to get one.

Actually it seems extremely close to the S4 Active - slightly taller and wider, but thinner. Now whether it was worth the size increase to gain IP67 is certainly debatable - some would have preferred a smaller, lighter phone. As someone who's dropped 1 phone in the last 7 years into water, I'm mixed on it. It's like insurance where you'll only appreciate it if something happens

S5 5.1" screen
142 x 72.5 x 8.1 mm
145 g

S4 Active 5" screen
139.7 x 71.3 x 9.1 mm
151 g

Xperia Z2 5.2" screen
146.8 x 73.3 x 8.2 mm
163 g

I'm most disappointed by the lack of a Prime version which could have had a non-removable battery even bigger than the G2 (say 3100 or 3200mAh) which in the Note 4 could be 3600mAh and make battery life pretty much a non-issue.
 

SAWYER

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Definitely is an iPhone s entry but I am glad they didn't do a metal build, I like Samsung phones they way they are
 
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The Galaxy S5 feels like karmic payback against everyone who insisted that Apple was done with major innovations, and held up Samsung as a shining example of how to improve phones.

The boring reality: even the best companies can't reinvent their product every year. Feature development can take a long time, and you may need some elements in place for others to work. My guess is that Samsung just doesn't have any major breakthroughs (assuming there are some in the pipeline) that are in a state it's comfortable with releasing.

You don't have to like that a company is releasing an iterative upgrade, but be careful about accusing the firm of resting on its laurels... that statement may come back to haunt you later on.

IOW, samsung ran out of shit to copy.
 

poofyhairguy

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Problem seems to be getting the fancier components at low enough costs to sell subsidized versions of the device on US carriers and still make huge margins, so they launch a S5 made out of cheap materials as a misdirection for those that will only ever buy $200 subsidy phones thereby saving the premium S5 for markets that pay top dollar out of pocket for flagships.

A very long FIFY.
 

WelshBloke

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Told you folks. Samsung lowballed this model's specs to build a higher-end "Project F" S5. Problem seems to be getting the fancier components in the super high volumes that the S5 sells.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Meta...as-part-of-a-luxury-F-line-by-Samsung_id53225

I think Samsung are making a mistake with that strategy TBH.
I know that they have always had a lot of models out but the S has always been the top phone. This is just going to muddy up their product line. They should just make the S the best they can and release other phones under it in the product line.
 

IeraseU

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I've heard about the luxury 'F' line, but all the sources I read claimed that the price would be somewhere north of $1000.

It's basically a phone to cater to the people that bought 'gold' iPhone 5s phones on eBay for $1,800 during the launch craze. That market is relatively small but it does exist, and I suppose that's what the 'F' line is for.
 

Roland00Address

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Not trying to threadjack, but what would be the must have feature for a S5 vs a hypothetical motorola x refresh which should occur about august 4 months after the S5 is released. Assuming the motorola x refresh is the exact same as the 2013 model but with a snapdragon 800/801/805 cpu and a 1080p screen? (Same question could be asked for the htc one refresh)

Fingerprint scanner?
SD Card reader?
Replaceable Battery?
Comes out 4 months earlier (Motorola X is coming out sometime in the summer, the 2013 model came out in late august).

It really stinks waiting for the new process node (20nm/16nm), all the easy improvements have been done and there is only so much you can do with the same node on the cpu/battery side.
 
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poofyhairguy

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With Lenovo running Moto I don't think the X successor will be the Android darling the original one was. Now that could change if the X2 continues to beat Nexuses for getting updates, but if the update cycle slows so will the enthusiasm.
 

Roland00Address

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With Lenovo running Moto I don't think the X successor will be the Android darling the original one was. Now that could change if the X2 continues to beat Nexuses for getting updates, but if the update cycle slows so will the enthusiasm.
Hardware and design wise the Moto X successor would be too far in development for Lenovo to change it. The phone is coming out in roughly 6 months, about 4 months after the samsung s5 comes out. Remember Lenovo still hasn't officially even bought Motorola yet, it still in the process of doing so.

For a point of reference when Google bought Motorola in 2011, it announced in August 2011. it took about 3 more months (from the original merger announcement) for Google and Motorola stock holders to agree on the google purchase deal, about 5 months (from the original announcement) for government regulators in multiple countries to agree to the deal, and about 8 months for everything else about the merger to be complete.

The phone will be finished and ready to sell by the time Lenovo/Motorola is done, continued updates and what price the moto x successor retails for is a different matter and can be affected by Lenovo.
 

dawheat

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I've heard about the luxury 'F' line, but all the sources I read claimed that the price would be somewhere north of $1000.

It's basically a phone to cater to the people that bought 'gold' iPhone 5s phones on eBay for $1,800 during the launch craze. That market is relatively small but it does exist, and I suppose that's what the 'F' line is for.

Source? I don't recall hearing those prices tossed around in any rumour about the F line.

Best case - Samsung surprises with lower S5 prices at launch than historically (though not by much) and with 32GB standard in some markets (like the Note 3 - 32GB base in the US, 16GB available for lower end markets). They then add a F line at Note prices (though it makes me a bit sad to think of the price of a F-line Note 4).

Worst case - Samsung launches the S5 at normal prices with 16GB standard everywhere. The F line either never launches or comes in at Galaxy Round prices as purely a marketing exercise with no real commercial aspirations.

Unfortunately I feel the latter is more likely than the former.
 

Red Storm

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Samsung had a good system with the two flagships, the S and the Note line. But expanding that to 4 just gets confusing and more expensive, especially for those of us that like flagships.
 

WelshBloke

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But what would please you guys?

For me?

All they needed to do was smarten up the looks a bit. Flatten off the back, (that camera hump looks horrible), sort out the fake chrome edging around the screen, make the back a bit nicer.
Add a bit of battery life (which would tie in with flattening the back).
Tweak the camera hardware and software to make the low light performance better.
Use whatever incremental SOC and screen advances that are available (but lets face it the S4 was already no slouch and users were already pleased with the screen).
Bump up the minimum storage, make 32gb the minimum if you are not really going to offer anything above the lowest option at retail.
USB 3.
3gb RAM (just for shit and giggles).
Trim down their software and make a lot more stuff opt in rather than pre installed (just put some short cuts in the app draw that lead to downloads on the play store rather than bundling everything in the ROM).
Theres a few other minor things but thats the main jist.
 
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