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T2urtle

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Based on his recent play (especially against the Vikes), "great" is being very generous. Not the worst option of the 3 listed, that I'll buy.

That fact that he has thrown 4 int and no TD one game. And another game where he took 7 sacks. Is the reason I dislike him. But we all know can throw 500/4td, sadly the yards don't help me. And if he throws 4td, he might throw 3 picks. I like ben for one TD and no pick or sack
 

AstroManLuca

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That fact that he has thrown 4 int and no TD one game. And another game where he took 7 sacks. Is the reason I dislike him. But we all know can throw 500/4td, sadly the yards don't help me. And if he throws 4td, he might throw 3 picks. I like ben for one TD and no pick or sack

Ben gets sacked a lot, although the Raiders defense is bottom 10 in sacks. I'd be nervous to play him (or honestly, any QB other than Peyton Manning) given your league's scoring rules. I don't even care about heavier penalties for turnovers, but without being able to make that up with passing yards it's just stupid.
 

T2urtle

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Ben gets sacked a lot, although the Raiders defense is bottom 10 in sacks. I'd be nervous to play him (or honestly, any QB other than Peyton Manning) given your league's scoring rules. I don't even care about heavier penalties for turnovers, but without being able to make that up with passing yards it's just stupid.

I've had no problems starting luck this year. He was last weeks leading scorer with 17 points I think. Threw 3 TD and ran one in. No picks. Just took a sack or two. I did like the theory behind it, "what's 400 yards without a score." Peyton is top qb but he had a bad game as well, that two fumble lost game. I don't wish to play by those rules next year tho.
 

SP33Demon

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Should I drop Amendola and pick up Jeremy Kerley? Who has more potential upside? I have been holding on to Amendola hoping he'd make a return and connect back with Brady again. But with his latest concussion, I am doubtful he'll get much looks from Brady, esp with Gronk now back. So I am considering dropping him and picking up some other WR. Currently this is what's available in my league. Any thoughts?


Upside from that list are Marvin Jones (#2 behind AC Green) and then Durham (#2 behind Megatron). Jones is first because Dalton will be forced to throw vs the NYJ #1 Run Defense. Durham has the next best upside. Kerley would have upside but only in PPR, and even then Jones could rival him for targets. Both have seen the end zone more than once, but Cincy is a better overall team (pass cov, QB, Run Blocking and RB) than the Jets. So Jones for Amendola.
 

SP33Demon

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The Colts have the same offense line that Ahmad Bradshaw and Vick Ballard had success rushing with. Even Donald Brown is rushing the ball better than Trent Richardson. Colts fans need to face the fact that Trent Richardson is not good and they got the brunt end of the trade.

If the Colts fans keep denying this then they are heading down the same road that us Saints fans did with Mark Ingram for the past 2 season. I jumped ship early on him but so many people continued to defend him an make excuses. It took the terrible game in week 2 this season for everyone to finally give up on him.

I didn't post the entire article but that was addressed.

There were plays too where he perhaps didn’t find the ideal spot to cut towards once the initial play had broken down. I’m not saying Richardson has been incredible or anything, but when the biggest issues come from not being able to fix other people’s mistakes, perhaps you need to think about those mistakes being made so consistently, rather than his inability to turn lead into gold.

This is why separating a runner from his blocking is so difficult to do. On that play Richardson was a little too quick to bail on the play and try to bounce it outside, but was this because he didn’t see it? Was his clock simply reset by the caliber of the blocking on that day and he had become conditioned to having to try to make things happen on his own? Even on something we can identify as a mistake from Richardson we can’t accurately determine the cause of that mistake.

The bottom line is the Colts have been an awful run blocking unit this season. People point to the numbers put up by Ahmad Bradshaw and Donald Brown behind the same line, but for a couple of reasons those comparisons aren’t necessarily fair. Firstly, the line hasn’t been the same all the way along. The Colts have been dealing with injuries and re-shuffling, and did so several times in the course of this game alone. Secondly, the sample size is so small that one half-decent run by any of the three runners instantly swings their average YPC wildly up or down. Bradshaw may have a much healthier looking average, but based on just 41 attempts.

Lastly, those numbers don’t take into account the situations or formations in which the three are being used. Richardson is being used more than Brown in heavy sets, when teams are expecting the run, only magnifying the problems on the O-line.
 

Crono

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I didn't post the entire article but that was addressed.

Sounds like justification for mediocre play, but Richardson still hasn't looked or played that well in his NFL career thus far. Even behind bad offensive lines decent running backs will have the occasional long run, just haven't seen anything from Trent Richardson that makes me think he's good.

Brown looks better right now behind the same line, and Bradshaw is without a doubt a better running back, blocker, and receiver. If he were healthy it wouldn't even be a question who should start.

Richardson gets enough work that he's an okay play as an RB2 and maybe he even becomes decent somehow later this season or next year, but I'm not seeing any flashes of brilliance. He's not the elite player people were expecting him to be. I don't know if analysts are seeing something that's not there or their prior expectations are influencing their opinions (I have no such bias for or against Richardson, never watched him prior to him joining the Colts), but he's just not producing. The observations of the article might be spot on, but it doesn't inspire confidence in the situation changing anytime soon. He's just not a running back worth over-analyzing.
 
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pete6032

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I need to pick up a defense, I have CHI, which is on a bye. Is it worth dropping CHI to pick up someone or should I drop a player and keep the Chicago D on my roster?
 

Imported

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There are very few defenses that I'd keep rostered.. KC, SF and Seattle so I'd probably drop and play match ups.
 

SP33Demon

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So question about waivers and the Thursday game. I want to drop Tolbert for a better RB (say Woodhead) who clears Waivers on Saturday. Will this transaction be able to execute since Tolbert will have played on Thursday? I'm guessing no, and I'll probably have to drop him tomorrow before the game if I want to add Woodhead off the waiver. Anyone confirm this is the case? Yahoo standard btw.
 

Crono

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So question about waivers and the Thursday game. I want to drop Tolbert for a better RB (say Woodhead) who clears Waivers on Saturday. Will this transaction be able to execute since Tolbert will have played on Thursday? I'm guessing no, and I'll probably have to drop him tomorrow before the game if I want to add Woodhead off the waiver. Anyone confirm this is the case? Yahoo standard btw.

The transaction will execute successfully if you initiate before Thursday. You get the points for Tolbert, and Woodhead shows in your roster lineup for next week. You only can't drop a player after a Thursday game if it's initiated during/after that game. Same goes for trades.
 
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T2urtle

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So question about waivers and the Thursday game. I want to drop Tolbert for a better RB (say Woodhead) who clears Waivers on Saturday. Will this transaction be able to execute since Tolbert will have played on Thursday? I'm guessing no, and I'll probably have to drop him tomorrow before the game if I want to add Woodhead off the waiver. Anyone confirm this is the case? Yahoo standard btw.

I'm thinking u have to drop him before the game. Once the game starts, even if u don't play him, he should be locked into ur team.
 

SP33Demon

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The transaction will execute successfully if you initiate before Thursday. You get the points for Tolbert, and Woodhead shows in your roster next week.

Well, I have him on my bench so don't really need the points. However, I do want Woodhead's points for this Sunday (assuming he was playing). So most likely I'd have to drop Tolbert before tomorrow's game like T2urtle said.

I also want to drop a receiver, say Jason Avant but I don't want anyone else to be able to pick him up. So even if I drop him on Friday, I'm assuming that any transactions before Saturday's waiver automatically get processed in Saturday's waivers? Or would it get processed during next week's waivers? This is important because my opponent would snatch him up in a heartbeat since his starting receiver sucks (Kenbrell Thompson).
 

MetalMat

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In one league I have Percy Harvin stashed in my IR slot. I was doing some thinking today and I'm wondering if I should pickup Shane Vereen and drop Percy Harvin.

Reason being is I am pretty good at WR (VJax, Garcon, Gordon, Allen) and due to a 4 WR roster max I would have to drop one to activate Percy Harvin when he returns. However I am pretty weak at RB Depth (Shady, Gio, Ray Rice, Jacquizz) and could really use a solid #2 RB. Besides I would not care about dropping Jacquizz to activate Shan Vereen week 11.


What do you guys think? I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger because Harvin has the potential to be such a beast.
 

Crono

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Well, I have him on my bench so don't really need the points. However, I do want Woodhead's points for this Sunday (assuming he was playing). So most likely I'd have to drop Tolbert before tomorrow's game like T2urtle said.

I also want to drop a receiver, say Jason Avant but I don't want anyone else to be able to pick him up. So even if I drop him on Friday, I'm assuming that any transactions before Saturday's waiver automatically get processed in Saturday's waivers? Or would it get processed during next week's waivers? This is important because my opponent would snatch him up in a heartbeat since his starting receiver sucks (Kenbrell Thompson).

Your opponent won't be able to pick him up until next week. If you drop a free agent you just picked up during free agency period (before Thursday's game) and drop him the same day he could pick him up, but if it's a player you've had for at least a day (I think that's Yahoo's minimum) or after Thursday's game, your opponent shouldn't be able to pick him up until next week.

I've used that strategy before with receivers I was a bit interested in but could easily drop, and did not want an opponent to use against me. :ninja:
 

Crono

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In one league I have Percy Harvin stashed in my IR slot. I was doing some thinking today and I'm wondering if I should pickup Shane Vereen and drop Percy Harvin.

Reason being is I am pretty good at WR (VJax, Garcon, Gordon, Allen) and due to a 4 WR roster max I would have to drop one to activate Percy Harvin when he returns. However I am pretty weak at RB Depth (Shady, Gio, Ray Rice, Jacquizz) and could really use a solid #2 RB. Besides I would not care about dropping Jacquizz to activate Shan Vereen week 11.


What do you guys think? I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger because Harvin has the potential to be such a beast.

I think Vereen is potentially being overrated by a lot of people. I'm trying to see why experts think he's so much better than Bolden in the receiving game or possibly better than Ridley, but I'm not seeing it. I think New England's backfield becomes hard to predict when he comes back, not that it isn't now, though I could see their being a lot of potential for any of them (more with Ridley and Vereen simply because of the number of touches).

I could be wrong, but Harvin is a proven top 10 receiver if you go by last year's numbers and by the potential he has in Seattle's offense with a capable quarterback like Wilson. Supposedly he's on a snap count which might limit his opportunities this first week back, but even then the long term outlook is good. I've carried Harvin since Week 1 in one league (PPR auction keeper) and have him in the 2 other leagues I'm in, so I'm definitely high on him.
 

SP33Demon

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In one league I have Percy Harvin stashed in my IR slot. I was doing some thinking today and I'm wondering if I should pickup Shane Vereen and drop Percy Harvin.

Reason being is I am pretty good at WR (VJax, Garcon, Gordon, Allen) and due to a 4 WR roster max I would have to drop one to activate Percy Harvin when he returns. However I am pretty weak at RB Depth (Shady, Gio, Ray Rice, Jacquizz) and could really use a solid #2 RB. Besides I would not care about dropping Jacquizz to activate Shan Vereen week 11.


What do you guys think? I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger because Harvin has the potential to be such a beast.

4 out of 5 of Gordon's next games are tough, and he will now have Jason Campbell throwing to him. Harvin is projecting slightly higher and every one of Seattle's games are pretty soft aside from SF. I sure as hell would want Wilson throwing to me instead of Campbell, so I would seriously consider dropping Gordon instead of Harvin.

There are some reservations I have with the Seahawks - 1) Wilson spreads the ball around a lot and evenly, but that could change if Harvin can get free/open 2) They are usually ahead, which means they're trying to run out the clock with Lynch in the 2nd half and will kick lots of FGs. This doesn't do any favors for Fantasy. On the flipside, Cleveland will probably be behind most of the time (lots of passing) but Gordon will be getting passes from a relatively bad QB. Bad passes + bad schedule mean I'd take Harvin, assuming both are at 100%.
 

MetalMat

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I think Vereen is potentially being overrated by a lot of people. I'm trying to see why experts think he's so much better than Bolden in the receiving game or possibly better than Ridley, but I'm not seeing it. I think New England's backfield becomes hard to predict when he comes back, not that it isn't now, though I could see their being a lot of potential for any of them (more with Ridley and Vereen simply because of the number of touches).

I could be wrong, but Harvin is a proven top 10 receiver if you go by last year's numbers and by the potential he has in Seattle's offense with a capable quarterback like Wilson. Supposedly he's on a snap count which might limit his opportunities this first week back, but even then the long term outlook is good. I've carried Harvin since Week 1 in one league (PPR auction keeper) and have him in the 2 other leagues I'm in, so I'm definitely high on him.

Well I was going to just put Vereen on my bench but with the Jason Cambell news I am a little nervous about how much this will affect Josh Gordon, thus I am using Jacquizz Rodgers in my flex.
 

SP33Demon

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Your opponent won't be able to pick him up until next week. If you drop a free agent you just picked up during free agency period (before Thursday's game) and drop him the same day he could pick him up, but if it's a player you've had for at least a day (I think that's Yahoo's minimum) or after Thursday's game, your opponent shouldn't be able to pick him up until next week.

I've used that strategy before with receivers I was a bit interested in but could easily drop, and did not want an opponent to use against me. :ninja:

Thanks for that info. I'd rather snatch up the receiver's backup sooner than later, and 1 day could make the difference. I'll wait until after Thursday's game then.
 

SP33Demon

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Well I was going to just put Vereen on my bench but with the Jason Cambell news I am a little nervous about how much this will affect Josh Gordon, thus I am using Jacquizz Rodgers in my flex.

Don't know much about Vereen other than what he's done this year. Bolden seems like he's capable enough as long as his knee holds up, yet Vereen will take his job. Yahoo is projecting 60 more points on the year at 8-9 pts/week which isn't bad. Pats run blocking is middle of the pack (16th) on the year FWIW. He could be a good Flex play although the rest of his schedule (week 11->17) are all vs Run Defenses in the top half of the league except Carolina (21st, they slipped a bit after last week).
 

SP33Demon

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What do you guys think of Kendall Wright? Pretty soft schedule for he and Locker, but not a big strike threat. It's between him and Burleson.
 

Crono

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What do you guys think of Kendall Wright? Pretty soft schedule for he and Locker, but not a big strike threat. It's between him and Burleson.

He is one of those safe PPR plays, like Davone Bess was in the past, or Brandon Gibson is now. There is some upside now with locker back, too, but I see Wright as the safest, not-a-deep-threat guy you don't have to worry about putting as a second, third receiver or flex.

It's nice to have a player like that, but only if you have other good players in your lineup and aren't in need of a high upside guy to save you in a tough matchup.
 

SP33Demon

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He is one of those safe PPR plays, like Davone Bess was in the past, or Brandon Gibson is now. There is some upside now with locker back, too, but I see Wright as the safest, not-a-deep-threat guy you don't have to worry about putting as a second, third receiver or flex.

It's nice to have a player like that, but only if you have other good players in your lineup and aren't in need of a high upside guy to save you in a tough matchup.

So out of Burleson, N.Washington, K.Wright, and D.Hopkins who would have the most upside as a #2 or even #1 WR? Mainly because I need someone to replace S.Smith for his games against SF/NE. I'm leaning toward Washington at this point since I have Locker, but he's the one I'd have to trade for which shouldn't be a problem (buddy of mine has him).
 

T2urtle

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So out of Burleson, N.Washington, K.Wright, and D.Hopkins who would have the most upside as a #2 or even #1 WR? Mainly because I need someone to replace S.Smith for his games against SF/NE. I'm leaning toward Washington at this point since I have Locker, but he's the one I'd have to trade for which shouldn't be a problem (buddy of mine has him).

I like wright, enough for me to draft him in my ppr league. Sadly I drop him before he became a solid 5 catch type of guy kinda same as pettigrew.

Wright will get u 5 catches at 50 yards. A score maybe every other game. Washington to me has the biggest upside but lower averages as well.
 
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