Since most mainstream CPUS have iGPUs then the iGPUs are fair game for discussions.Do you mean the way GPUs come up so often in AMD discussions here?
Since most mainstream CPUS have iGPUs then the iGPUs are fair game for discussions.Do you mean the way GPUs come up so often in AMD discussions here?
They "delivered" on polaris based on price and the red hot mining craze. Clearly they did not deliver on performance per watt, which ultimately they will pay for in laptops (my local microcenter already has gaming laptops with 1060/1070/1080 cards in them), and they sure better deliver much better on performance per watt relative to the competition with Zen. Actually, I am amazed the stock hasnt crashed considering how poor the power use is of polaris and the fact that they have been absent for months already and will be absent many more months in the high end dgpu market.
Do you mean the way GPUs come up so often in AMD discussions here?
Polaris doesnt use power poorly? Seriously?? Even though it is improved vs the previous generation, they are still well behind nVidia, and fell well short of the much hyped 2.8x increase in performance per watt. This is a serious handicap for laptops and for high end chips where top performance is limited by power use. And power use is even more critical in Zen, which ultimately must succeed in the server market. If as it appears, their 14nm process is not as good as the competition, it is a serious handicap. The fact that they are willing to *pay* GF to use other foundaries also indicates this.I don't know you so please don't take this the wrong way. But what you said about stock prices going down because of the poor power use of polaris? WTF? That is really like the craziest thing I have heard. Polaris is doesn't use power poorly. AMD did the best they could and delivered power efficiency over their previous architecture. They don't always have to destroy the competition lol. Nvidia had crazy efficiency with maxwell and they built on that and got even better. AMD went from 300+ watts to 160 and got close performance to 390/390x. I am sure they way they are their drivers will probably take it up to 390x level.
despite my reasoning stock prices don't go down because a card uses 160w lol. Their stock prices have gone up because of their marketing and their gains in market share. Thats all they need and all they are shooting for.
Has anyone said AMDs stock price may simply reflect its a good value at its price and Zen looking promising?
Polaris doesnt use power poorly? Seriously?? Even though it is improved vs the previous generation, they are still well behind nVidia, and fell well short of the much hyped 2.8x increase in performance per watt. This is a serious handicap for laptops and for high end chips where top performance is limited by power use. And power use is even more critical in Zen, which ultimately must succeed in the server market. If as it appears, their 14nm process is not as good as the competition, it is a serious handicap. The fact that they are willing to *pay* GF to use other foundaries also indicates this.
You can tell certain members not this forum are getting worried by how vacuous and innuendo-laden their post are, that alone should tell you how important Zen could be for the future of CPUs. These are the same members who advise people to buy 2GB 960/3GB 1060s for gaming and i3s when they need APUs.
I would be concerned too, if I were them. From what I understand a lot of the higher ups at intel are buying AMD stock right now, and making good returns.
Imagine what will happen when Zen will turn out to be better than AMD is saying. Imagine what will happen when Vega will turn out to be better than anyone thinks right now.I don't know if that means anything other than making good returns--individual agnostic.
AMD is up ~300% over the year.
Imagine what will happen when Zen will turn out to be better than AMD is saying.
Imagine what will happen when Zen will turn out to be better than AMD is saying. Imagine what will happen when Vega will turn out to be better than anyone thinks right now.
That will be disaster for some people on this board.
Managment has nothing to do with engineering, from technical point of view. Its engineering know-how that creates the hardware, not managment.
Managment has nothing to do with engineering, from technical point of view. Its engineering know-how that creates the hardware, not managment.
Vega does not have to be faster than Pascal to be better than anyone thinks right now it will be. Zen does not have to be faster than Broadwell to be better than anyone currently thinks it will be.That is a long way off and I am skeptical of such a reality. Recent history and trends (I like to pay attention to such things) tells me that AMD, at best, will approach competitive levels with intel and, maybe nVidia. I highly doubt they will be claiming any real performance crown. In this world, those performance crowns are the distant past for AMD and only possibly the distant future as they have significant ground to cover to get back to that area; and getting there involves a lot of luck on top of proper decision-making for one, cycle over cycle. I think they are on the right path and I think these recent financial decisions are necessary to shed many of their crippling economic hindrances, but they really have to start delivering consistently on their technology.
But who knows if "approaching competitive levels" is good enough? It may not be--honestly, it probably isn't. From what I gather, AMD's primary target with Zen is data centers and they really have to deliver here with power efficiency and pricing to go after Intel. AMD vs nVidia or consumer CPU vs consumer CPU are really 2nd and 3rd fiddle to what happens wrg to Opteron vs Xeon.
Of course. But first rule is to never judge future, by past. Especially in engineering/technology. Did anyone expected performance/watt jump for Nvidia with Maxwell, by judging their past?However they live or die by managements hiring decisions, budgeting and timeline.
yes! more fragmentation of AT forums, because that has been working so well!
I like how OP rather explicitly accused AMD of market manipulation--which is fraud--and still hasn't been tagged with a trolling/locked thread, which tends to be a very speedy action in the CPU/GPU forums here, due to the tireless efforts of the overworked mods fielding the endless stream of complaints that these forums seem to generate.It seems like you are just trying to create doubt in people's minds about AMD's honesty. They might actually have a decent CPU finally and it looks like you are just trying to rain on their parade and make them look like they aren't legit or something.
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Managment has nothing to do with engineering, from technical point of view. Its engineering know-how that creates the hardware, not managment.
But first rule is to never judge future, by past.