Is Transportation possible?

[tranceport]

this device is already in production. There is a post about them in the hot deals section. There is a rebate and a coupon. I will try to find a link.

 

[Howard]

I don't believe we'll be able to do this until we have perfected nanotech.

 

[pexidecimal]

necessity is dead, long live sci-fi shows, the new mother of invention.

I agree, we'll need to master nano-technology, as well as other numerous scientific fields. But in all of our scientific advancements, we are asking ourselves if we "can" do something. We should be asking "should" we do this. As a collective whole, the human race doesn't even have the responcibility to properly handle nuclear energy ( atomic/'hydrogen bombs) let alone transport devices harnessing quantum fields and density shifts of multiple dimentions. I'm sure we all see the negative implications of such devices. Notice in our beloved startrek shows, humans have gained the responcibility to use such tenchnology for the good of all. Service-to-others has become a reality on the show. We should use it as an example, we shouldnt try to use such a technology until we've ebolished such evils as poverty, hunger, famine, war, hate etc. Who cares about instantanious transmission of particles when people all over the world are starving or homeless.

 

[dejitaru]

Who cares about instantanious transmission of particles when people all over the world are starving or homeless.

Some people are starving, some dying of cancer, some depressed. Everyone has good times and bad. No one's life is better than any one else's. Perspective corrupts reality.

 

[silverpig]

This device is actually fairly simple. There have been numerous articles about it. I'll write more after work, but yeah, it can be done. (In fact it is easier to construct a teleportation device than to write an error correcting algorithm for a quantum computer.)

More later.

 

[pexidecimal]

Originally posted by: dejitaru

Who cares about instantanious transmission of particles when people all over the world are starving or homeless.

Some people are starving, some dying of cancer, some depressed. Everyone has good times and bad. No one's life is better than any one else's. Perspective corrupts reality.

perspective IS reality.

and yes your right, everyone has problems. But i think were all obligated as human beings to help one another. I'd like to see the millions or maybe billions given to these scientific savants be put to use and finding a cure to homelessness, starvation, and disease.

We've been fighting these evils since the dawn of or existance, and until we conquer them we'll never truely grow out of our environment.

 

[silverpig]

Cure to homelessness? Many of the homeless in western countries are just too lazy to get a job. Sure some have had bad breaks, but a lot are lazy and in fact proud that they've never worked a day in their life.

There is nothing required scientifically to cure hunger. Those people just need food. It is up to their governments to provide them with access to it. It is not any other government's right to say what is wrong with any other. If so, you'd have to argue that Hitler was within his own right.

Disease is being worked on.

Then again, fighting disease is now basically biochemical warfare, which is not possible had it not have been for "unrelated" research in the fields of mathematics, chemistry, physics, and computer science.

Think about it. If tomorrow I developed a machine that could perfectly de- and re-arrange matter in any which way I chose, would I not have found the cure to all of the problems you just listed?

 

[Walleye]

Well, there is significant proof that this is possible. The proof I speak of is the fact a photon has been transported. and it has been done reliably. Now, the interesting thing about that is that a photon has mass. so it is an object, signifying that an object has been transported. this has already happened.

now, the problem with this is that it was less than 1 atom. if we get to the point where we are beaming single atoms, then multiple atoms, then it's no great leap to billions, then quadrillions, to gugoplex'es of atoms (aka: US). But before i step through that thing, i'll try it on my cat.

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: Walleye
Well, there is significant proof that this is possible. The proof I speak of is the fact a photon has been transported. and it has been done reliably. Now, the interesting thing about that is that a photon has mass. so it is an object, signifying that an object has been transported. this has already happened.

now, the problem with this is that it was less than 1 atom. if we get to the point where we are beaming single atoms, then multiple atoms, then it's no great leap to billions, then quadrillions, to gugoplex'es of atoms (aka: US). But before i step through that thing, i'll try it on my cat.

It's called quantum entanglement isn't it? Where if something happens to one atom, the same thing will happen to another atom no matter how far away it is, instantly I believe... I"m no expert but I think it works something like that but probably a little more complex

 

[pexidecimal]

what homeless people are you speaking too? Im sure they'd rather not have to dig through garbage to find food. You've got that typical american attidute of " hey let them worry about it" and were never going to evolve with that mindset. ( not trying to flame )

to answer your question, if you had a machine to re-arange particles any way you wished, would it solve the problems i've listed?. Possibly yes, however we know with this day and age, that machine wouldnt be allowed to be used, it would put large corporations out of business. Greed is a problem it wont solve mate. It would be used for millitary applications only. We could really use something like that, but we dont have the responcibility to handle it... Hope this helped.

 

[Confide]

Unless the whole deal was "OPEN SOURCE" HAHAHAH!!! in reality, due to our capitolistic society it seems that to be true it would only be used to create more ammunition and better weapons to further dominate others, Sad? yes very sad... to think that rather than create such a device to better life in all aspects and for all people it would be used to destroy. There are far to many people on this earth ready to kill. Power hunger is inate in our human existance, one is never satisfied, there is always a new conquest, everyone with their own agendas.... Not to spit philisophy or anything but, if a geek in his garage with a reeeeaaallly fast computer makes this machine, he could effectively RULE THE WORLD MAUHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Confide.

 

[FuriousBroccoli]

You seem to be ignoring the fact that a capitalist economy would be a lot better off with such a device. When you can improve efficiency of production boundaries, living standards for everyone increase. It wouldn't put corporations out of business, it would just shift the way business is done, like the Internet has. We can already clone and transport software all over the world instantly with no cost, and software production is a massive business. The same applies if matter could be cloned, we'd just need hardware piracy protection ;-)

 

[Confide]

Then arises another question how does one regulate what is generated from such a device, how would they stop someone from making a gun? a bomb? a deadly poison?
Crazy.

Confide.

 

[FuriousBroccoli]

The machines would need massive regulation. They couldn't be sold to the public in full mode for those very reasons. I suspect they'd be licensed to companies under extremely tight security restrictions, or perhaps kept to officially designated production plants. The public would then just get a cut-down version that makes great smoothies

 

[dejitaru]

The machines would need massive regulation. They couldn't be sold to the public in full mode for those very reasons. I suspect they'd be licensed to companies under extremely tight security restrictions, or perhaps kept to officially designated production plants.

Well, yeah, like everything else. A cool fifty years in development should suffice.
This even more so, as a single error could kill or severely disfigure you (think of the posibilities of an intentional screw-up).
A device of this sort could effectively change you into another person. You could read someone's thoughts, change their personality.
You could put someone in a computer program like in the sci-fi flicks. Drop them onto some sort of storage medium as imprisonment.

Access to every molecule of a person's body is dangerous stuff. Fun stuff.

 

[nebula]

Originally posted by: dejitaru
Drop them onto some sort of storage medium as imprisonment.

Ah, that's the answer to the prison overpopulation problem!! Store all the cons on a CompactFlash card!!

For some light, err well maybe not, reading, Check out, The Physics of Star Trek It's fairly short and they talk about what's maybe possible and probably not, it was a fun read. They also mention that every atom has it's own spin, uggh, the memory needed...

Even if I couldn't transport myself, it would be cool to order a printer online and have it on my desk instantly!!

 

[dejitaru]

I was thinking that you shouldn't need to destroy the original, yet catalog its contents. You could then reconstruct it on the remote side from spare molecules.

 

[pexidecimal]

to even ask " who should regulate its use" is proof enough that we as a race do not have the responcibility to have such a machine.

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: pexidecimal
to even ask " who should regulate its use" is proof enough that we as a race do not have the responcibility to have such a machine.

Who regulates the regulators? You can't just assume they don't need regulation too, and then where does it stop?