Is Trump a Russian Covert Agent?

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umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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Obama was a passive president. An apologist. Didn't want to cause waves. Appeasing and basically voting "present" and just rather vanilla. Trump is none of those things. I'd have a Beer with Obama and don't think he is a bad guy. At least he didn't cheat on his wife. But Trump's strong arming of Kim Jun Un got him to the table.
Who broke up the USSR? I think it was a conservative? I like that Trump is assertive. He does need to dial it back almost daily but I see his end game. It's to get a Better Deal for America.

G8 The Group of Eight (G8) refers to the group of eight highly industrialized nations—France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom, Japan, the United States, Canada, and Russia—that hold an annual meeting to foster consensus on global issues like economic growth and crisis management, global security, energy, and terrorism.

It's not just for economic reasons.


I think we found the Mother Ship here folks... When I was speaking of having some of the old conservative posters that could at least someone debate Bush's stupidity return I clearly wasn't speaking of this one...

Your forefathers would all have had a vasectomies had they known their progeny would one day suck Russia's dick...

Pathetic...
 
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Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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I think we found the Mother Ship here folks...

Your forefathers would all have had a vasectomies had they known their progeny would one day suck Russia's dick...

Pathetic...
I love your avatar! Hope it's prophetic!
 

esquared

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
Oct 8, 2000
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I think we found the Mother Ship here folks... When I was speaking of having some of the old conservative posters that could at least someone debate Bush's stupidity return I clearly wasn't speaking of this one...

Your forefathers would all have had a vasectomies had they known their progeny would one day suck Russia's dick...

Pathetic...

This is what we probably get, to look forward to.


He won't have to stones to throw that 12 count indictment in putin's face.
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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If Trump is an actual foreign agent: Do you think Putin will throw him a bone in Helsinki? Something to take the heat off? He might agree to extradite some or all of the indicted Russians (not the rich ones, not his friends...the expendables). Or Putin may agree to share information on the hackers and resolve not to meddle (joint cyberdefense program anyone?)

If Trump is just a useful idiot--then he won't get shit in Helsinki. He might unwittingly give up some more intelligence, before agreeing that Ukraine isn't NATO's business and announcing some joint program in Syria as rumored. Nothing will be done about cyber ops against the US.
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
11,493
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No agent. It's simply called a love affair.
Donald and Putin exploring total bliss together.
And we all know who Putin considers the female in this relationship.
LOVE!
Love would explain what it is that keeps this old fat orange haired man going strong.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
32,333
15,128
136
If it is proven that trump is a foreign agent does anyone else agree that his picks for supreme court should be voided (technically it would be an impeachment)?
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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If it is proven that trump is a foreign agent does anyone else agree that his picks for supreme court should be voided (technically it would be an impeachment)?

They'd have to be impeached which isn't likely. Malfeasance on the part of Trump doesn't mean they've committed any of their own. Being a right wing toadie is obviously not an impeachable offense, sad to say.
 
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More like this, I'm afraid. It captures the basic demeanor of both men perfectly-


Yeah. I've never really seen him as a puppet (although it made for some good political cartoons). He's a wannabe 'Strong Man' and compared to the real thing, he's like a little kid.

But, give him half a chance...
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,810
29,564
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Allow me to throw in with another 'lil factoid: If corporations could be trusted there would be no need for unions. For the fact that many corporations are vehemently anti-union is all one needs to know about how they have had a lot of success with getting rid of THE main obstacle toward driving wages and benefits back to the days when running sweat shops and exploiting child labor was just a normal way of doing business. Big Corp wants those days back and they're trying their best to make it happen.

people are data points on a spreadsheet when you look through the eyes of a corporate accountant. costs and benefits, a single cell of monetary value.

a data point to be manipulated.

I recognize and accept that globalization is generally good for most people, and I think it is, but it is especially great for corporations, for the entire detriment of the people. While the "First World" has made great strides in labor laws and workers' rights, most of these regulated practices have been off-shored to countries and territories that currently have no such laws.

Yes, we can pat ourselves on the back that we abolished child labor and have established minimum wages, but what does that actually matter when, only a few decades later, months-long boat travel became convenient air travel, and now those same industries are simply shuttering factories in the US and opening them in Bangladesh, Taiwan...wherever we can start deploying armies, to ply our influence, to get those old ways back. Those armies need money, and that government needs to find the fast donors to feed that money to keep themselves in power, in influence, ad infinitum. When you can control influence and trade in parts of the world that don't subscribe to your First World understanding of "proper ways to treat humans," then you are running the roost. Child labor laws are great! ...especially when you can ignore them whole-sale by expanding the reach of your beloved corporations into markets that simply aren't beholden to the same laws.

It seems that in this day and age, "opening up" imprisoned countries (let's go with Burma and DPRNK), is really just a mad rush to find another open market to exploit for labor. You can fucking see it: the corporate world chomping at the bit to find the next pool of underfed, uneducated, inexperienced flesh bags to drain out another 10-20 years of cheap, unregulated blood and sweat--and only to increase their quarterly profits. Never long-term. Who the fuck needs to care about long-term when faceless day traders, sitting in their bedrooms and at their command consoles, two steps from their shitters where they need to empty their colostomy bags every 6 hours, are truly the ones who are determining your company's value?

Absolutely, corporations need strict and solid laws to regulate them, but this needs to be an international agreement. It's one thing to mark yourself as a proud, advanced human of the modern age that does not tolerate exploitative worker conditions, but another thing to both recognize and disallow that very same practice, as it is factually happening, for the very same products, that you buy now and your grandparents bought more than 100 years ago. The simple fact is that nothing has really changed in the end, because the planet has gotten so much smaller.

Eventually, we will reach critical mass of advanced, educated societies fighting against this consumer-driven mass-conglomerate of cheap, bullshit goods and the labor (really, it only ever is about the labor), are going to start massacring everyone else. LoL: electing mother-fucking billionaires certainly is not the way to solve this actual problem. They only describe phantom problems, to distract the masses from the billionaires' ever-increasing looting of the world trust.

At this point, I'm not sure it is wholly recoverable without serious bloodshed. Maybe I just hope I'm dead in the next 30 years, before the emaciated survivors start feeding on the radiated corpses of their families.
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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"the future" can only ever be progressive policy.

what is with your antagonism against the simplest of widely-accepted, inarguable definitions of terms?

We also explain to you how medicine and science quantify "life," in many disparate and nuanced ways, and yet you get all pissy and start reinventing this concept into some simple, nonsensical, non-medical hokey-ass definition that wouldn't qualify for passing a 7th-grade Biology exam.
 
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BonzaiDuck

Lifer
Jun 30, 2004
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1,500
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Without his father's business and his father's fortune, Trump would have had difficulty succeeding at anything. His personality is not only destructive to others; it is destructive to himself, and it broadcasts to any experienced intelligence officer an opportunity for exploitation.

One of the reasons Trump despises California arises from his early college applications. He was rejected by USC's film school.

I cannot help but speculate over his treatment of Gary Busey on "The Apprentice." Could it be that Trump sneered at Busey's hair (which is like his own), laughed at Busey's teeth, and despised Busey because he had a modest, so-so B-rated career as an actor?

Jealousy erupts out of control with the narcissistically disordered personality. This goes hand-in-hand with the thirst for flattery.

The man has become a much bigger disaster than even I imagined when I penned a letter-to-editor for the local paper in October, 2016, answering the question as to whether Trump could improve his chances by changing what he says. The best of it is summarized in this paragraph:

"Trump has merely used fear for his own advancement. And if greatness were physical stature, he would need to stand on the Trump Tower to touch the coattails[*] of his predecessors. What he says now makes no difference; what he might say next year or thereafter could be a cause for worry. What he offers as character is merely a severe deficit owing to privilege, a personality disorder and addiction to the spotlight. "

And of course, my own narcissistic tendencies were held in check when I realized I was almost going to post the whole letter.

But he has now proven to be so much worse than that description. It almost seems limp and flaccid. As for " . . . touch the coattails . . ", the paper would not have printed "kiss their ass."

And now? Look at the ass he's kissing . . .
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
14,681
7,180
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people are paper on a spreadsheet, when you look through the eyes of a corporate accountant. costs and benefits, a single cell of monetary value.

a data point to be manipulated.

globalization is generally good for most people, but especially great for corporations. While the "First World" has made great strides in labor laws and workers rights, most of these regulations have been off-shored.

Yes, we can pat ourselves on the back that we abolished child labor and have established minimum wages, but what does that actually matter when, only a few decades later, months-long boat travel became convenient air travel, and now those same industries are simply shuttering factories in the US and opening them in Bangladesh, Taiwan...wherever we can start deploying armies, to ply our influence, to get those old ways back. Those armies need money, and that government needs to find the fast donors to feed that money to keep themselves in power, in influence, ad infinitum. When you can control influence and trade in parts of the world that don't subscribe to your First World understanding of "proper ways to treat humans," then you are running the roost. Child labor laws are great! ...especially when you can ignore them whole-sale by expanding the reach of your beloved corporations into markets that simply aren't beholden to the same laws.

Absolutely, corporations need strict and solid laws to regulate them, but this needs to be an international agreement. It's one thing to mark yourself as a proud, advanced human of the modern age that does not tolerate exploitative worker conditions, but another thing to both recognize and disallow that very same practice, as it is factually happening, for the very same products, that you buy now and your grandparents bought more than 100 years ago. The simple fact is that nothing has really changed in the end, because the planet has gotten so much smaller.

Eventually, we will reach critical mass of advanced, educated societies fighting against this consumer-driven mass-conglomerate of cheap, bullshit goods and the labor (really, it only ever is about the labor), are going to start massacring everyone else. LoL: electing mother-fucking billionaires certainly is not the way to solve this actual problem. They only create phantom problem, to distract the masses from their ever-increasing looting.

At this point, I'm not sure it is wholly recoverable without serious bloodshed. Maybe I just hope I'm dead in the next 30 years, before the emaciated survivors start feeding on the radiated corpses of their families.

Great post. Thanks much. :thumbsup:
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
32,333
15,128
136
They'd have to be impeached which isn't likely. Malfeasance on the part of Trump doesn't mean they've committed any of their own. Being a right wing toadie is obviously not an impeachable offense, sad to say.

Sure its not likely but that wasn't the question. Should they be impeached? It wouldn't necessarily be because of anything they did but because they were appointed by a traitor and all his policies and executive orders should be null and void.
 

Younigue

Diamond Member
Feb 5, 2017
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So what's the chances Trump picks anyone that's squeaky clean? If the Dems are actually ready to play hardball if/when Trump is removed they'll dig until impeachable evidence surfaces on whatever piece of shit garbage person Trump appoints. And it's high time dems play hard ball just to clean up the traitors in House.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,810
29,564
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Great post. Thanks much. :thumbsup:

I did some editing....

One of the things I keep thinking about, is how unpopular Jimmy Carter was as POTUS. Dude never fired a shot. The only POTUS since...well, ever? at least in the last ~century that never authorized military force against a foreign state. One failed hostage rescue on his watch, that's all that I recall.

The guy was a humanitarian that actually got it. He knew and still knows exactly what power and influence in the stage of the military-corporate world means, and he's the first and still only POTUS since Eisenhower to reduce the influence of the military. The guy is the last truly honest, decent leader that this country has seen, imo, swallowed in a mire of complicated world issues, that he traversed better than anyone else, at that time....but he didn't blow up brown people, so he's still labeled as a fucking awful president.

For no reason. And the Goddamn Democrats still try to distance themselves from this non-murderous, decent human.

I don't fucking get it.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
37,841
8,307
136
If it is proven that trump is a foreign agent does anyone else agree that his picks for supreme court should be voided (technically it would be an impeachment)?
America is dysfunctional. That's what we need to take from the 2016 election cycle and the playout of national politics since. Witness the congressional hearings with Strzok, a nauseating example. The SCOTUS monkey wrenches Trump is inserting will ensure American dis-functionality for decades, impeachment or no, doesn't matter. At this point I have to think that even Pence would be an improvement. Best hope right now is a reversal of fortunes at the 2018 elections.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
12,007
572
126
"the future" can only ever be progressive policy.

what is with your antagonism against the simplest of widely-accepted, inarguable definitions of terms?

We also explain to you how medicine and science quantify "life," in many disparate and nuanced ways, and yet you get all pissy and start reinventing this concept into some simple, nonsensical, non-medical hokey-ass definition that wouldn't qualify for passing a 7th-grade Biology exam.

What are you talking about?
 
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