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Moonbeam

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Bring in the Porta Poddy’s.
No way the former President is allowing those low class filthy scum use his toilets.
Yes the former President looks at them as low class filthy scum. That’s the odd part of Maga, the former President loves to be surrounded with praise he also finds the people who do it losers and dirty.
The reason it seems odd to you is because the truth that would make obvious the reason for that phenomena is the last thing people want to know. We are all like Trump in that we all feel at a deeply unconscious level that only a fool would ever love us, only someone too stupid to see how worthless we really are.

And the mischief this does is incalculable.
 
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We are all like Trump
Not me.

No way in hell I'm like him.

I get VERY uncomfortable and nervous when lying, let alone lying through my teeth.

Also, I think kind souls would love me and they do. So I don't have that unconscious/subconscious problem. But I do dislike myself because I'm not the best version of myself that I see in my own mind.
 

fskimospy

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The reason it seems odd to you is because the truth that would make obvious the reason for that phenomena is the last thing people want to know. We are all like Trump in that we all feel at a deeply unconscious level that only a fool would ever love us, only someone too stupid to see how worthless we really are.

And the mischief this does is incalculable.
Yet normal people don't act like Trump so clearly there's something different.
 
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Moonbeam

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A thind thing I forgot to mention below shich should have gone here, is that when somebody tells you you hate yourself it feels like an attack, that they are telling you you are say as worthless as that self hater Trump. If, as I say, we do not want to know then we aren't going to be happy about being told. You were very kind in how you responded to me but saying what I say in the real world of live present people can get you killed. Nobody wants to be told they feel worthless because it is the one truth they do not ever want to feel. But it can be done.
 
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Moonbeam

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Not me.

No way in hell I'm like him.

I get VERY uncomfortable and nervous when lying, let alone lying through my teeth.

Also, I think kind souls would love me and they do. So I don't have that unconscious/subconscious problem. But I do dislike myself because I'm not the best version of myself that I see in my own mind.
I have tried to answer your post a number of times and something or other keeps interrupting me and I forget I have not answered you yet. I'm with you most of the time. fskimospy's post reminds me again.

It is a very difficult thing to explain.

First off, as I mentioned in the original post that you quoted, the awareness I am talking about is the last thing we want to know. The person that first brought to my attention this inner truth I had not knows is that I don't know it, don't want to know it, and don't know that I don't want to know. So everything you said about your lack of that issue within you is exactly what I also thought when told. It is also where I am most of the time even now.

But before I met "my Teacher, my therapist and decided to study with him I had already had experiences I think are atypical of most people:

I became a truth seeker at a somewhat early age. I was raised a Christian by non practicing parents who sent me to church alone because I think they thought it was there duty as parents to grow up in conformity with my culture. I became, as a result a naive and uneducated believer, someone without the benefit of sophisticated religious understanding.

Later I begin to question the existence of God and because in this way a seeker. I wanted to prove that God exists and that our suffering on earth no matter how bad would be compensated. I could not comprehend why a benevolent God would allow the world to be as it is.

Anyway, I failed at that, causing my world to go black. I know happiness would never be possible for me. I paid the full price of questioning what truth is, so finding out I hate myself was, well big deal. I already survived and conquered the worst news in the world and discovered a way out via the enlightenment I believe is the aim of the practice of Zen. Zen saved me. I had experienced the ultimate truth, an awakening into being. So I hate myself, big deal. So I think I had a foundation on which to build without total rejection. I had already lost everything that had had meaning.

The second problem then I how to actually know that you hate yourself. It is the deepest burred feeling that we feel, the very last thing we want to feel. This, in my opinion can be seen if self observation, observing that the things we hate remind us of something within we want to deny. This takes honesty and honesty takes humility, a lack of ego defensiveness. This is something I think can best be gotten to in psychotherapy, especially group therapy where you have an opportunity to react emotionally to other people. It takes a lot to learn how to let go of thinking and just let your feelings out.

I can't say I have done that so extensively that nothing remains in my unconscious suppressed from conscious awareness, but I have gone far enough to simply be amazed. You simply can't imagine what it is like to feel what you feel and to discover that at root are experiences from childhood you simply can't credit you felt with such intensity. But when you feel what you feel so deeply that you relive the actual origin of that feeling you KNOW without any doubt that hidden feeling was behind what you had no idea you were experiencing.

Some people are better at this than others, I think. Intellectuals have an especially hard time. Also, some of us had it much worse as children than others. Others wear their feelings on their sleeve

I think things sort of go like this:

Depression is emotional numbness, the fear of feeling anything. Dealing with it leads to sadness, pain but becoming alive to one's inner self.

Sadness leads on to anger, feeling pissed about our inner state and that leads to rage.

In a state of rage, in a psychotheraputic setting where no acting out is allowed, rage awakens the memory of what tries to deny, and that is grief, the real feelings we suffered back when. And the magic is that grief is self love, empathy of the self that brings healing. One knows one's past. One can once again be ones real self whole and undivided, absent repressed denied emotions we were put down for having as children.
 
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A lot of parents (including mine) teach children not to be sensitive to what they feel. They try to train the sensitivity out of their children, to try to make them tough so they can face the real world and its horrors. Take what's yours. No one's gonna give it to you if you stand around like a dope. Carpe diem! But such parents do more harm than good. These tough children grow up to be uncaring selfish nasty entitled adults.
 

VRAMdemon

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The grift begins in earnest:

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Trump wants his ‘"74 million supporters" (Lol ...he still thinks he has that many Trumpers) to sign a petition railing against his potential arrest. Those who sign it are asked to donate up to $3,300 and more.

I wonder how many emails and texts does a typical MAGA supporter get every day, from Trump, asking for money. it's got to be astronomical.
 
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Puffnstuff

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Trump wants his ‘"74 million supporters" (Lol ...he still thinks he has that many Trumpers) to sign a petition railing against his potential arrest. Those who sign it are asked to donate up to $3,300 and more.
Well he's got my two elderly parents in his court and nothing will change their minds about him or the GOP. They're so indoctrinated by the GOP that they believe anything and everything they tell them to be true. If Trump held a banana in his hand and declared that it was a grape they'd believe him.
 
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VRAMdemon

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They are threatening to defund Braggs office among other things.


Who’s gonna tell him that Congress has no oversight or authority over a district attorney? AFAIK ... Congress has no authority over the New York Manhattan DA’s office. Alvin Bragg can safely file this nonsense away and ignore it. Congress has no law enforcement arm to act on their jackbooted arrest wishes except to appeal to the DOJ. I’m pretty sure DOJ isn’t going to help them out. It’s not Trump’s DOJ anymore.
 

fskimospy

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They are threatening to defund Braggs office among other things.


Who’s gonna tell him that Congress has no oversight or authority over a district attorney? AFAIK ... Congress has no authority over the New York Manhattan DA’s office. Alvin Bragg can safely file this nonsense away and ignore it. Congress has no law enforcement arm to act on their jackbooted arrest wishes except to appeal to the DOJ. I’m pretty sure DOJ isn’t going to help them out. It’s not Trump’s DOJ anymore.
They also provide very little funding to the Manhattan DA's office. It would not be significantly missed I bet.
 

VRAMdemon

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Well he's got my two elderly parents in his court and nothing will change their minds about him or the GOP. They're so indoctrinated by the GOP that they believe anything and everything they tell them to be true. If Trump held a banana in his hand and declared that it was a grape they'd believe him.

I hear you ... I have some in laws in rural South Carolina and the cognitive dissonance that they wrap themselves in is truly astounding. They can explain and hand wave away just about anything negative they hear about any Republican, and Trump in particular. And they could turn a Democrat saving a baby and a litter of kittens from a burning building into kidnapping, bestiality, and being a Woke radical left climate change lunatic.

But ....let’s run the numbers:

74,000,000 voters (100%) 10,000 ‘Stop the Steal’ attendees (.0135%, a 99.986% drop off) 1,000 (estimation) broke into the Capitol (a 90% drop off from attendee rallies) 0, zilch, nada, none: spontaneous J6 demonstrations in other cities.

That’s a bowel movement, not a mass movement.
 

hal2kilo

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The grift begins in earnest:

.

Trump wants his ‘"74 million supporters" (Lol ...he still thinks he has that many Trumpers) to sign a petition railing against his potential arrest. Those who sign it are asked to donate up to $3,300 and more.

I wonder how many emails and texts does a typical MAGA supporter get every day, from Trump, asking for money. it's got to be astronomical.
What is that article 87 in the constitution? The nullification by petition amendment?
 

Moonbeam

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Yet normal people don't act like Trump so clearly there's something different.

Deffinitely. Normal people are better at being sick. It's why they seel therapy, to be better adjusted to a sick world. Others had it so bad they can't pretend. Trump is a great case of a person so sick he requires an enormous ego to feed to keep from feeling how bad he really feels. He had a monster for a father, I think.

Most of us have a breathing tube that sustains us, some sembelence of our original self respect. Perhaps we were not crucified excessively as children. My parents had many good qualities. Perhaps we were luck to find a mentor who took special care to encourage us to have self confidence, a loving relative or friend, a teacher, a neighbor etc.

We all hate ourselves, feel as if we are the worst in the world but those feelings are deeply repressed and to varying degrees successfully. People who may feel worthless and not know it can still accomplish great things.

Written yesterday
 

trenchfoot

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They are threatening to defund Braggs office among other things.


Who’s gonna tell him that Congress has no oversight or authority over a district attorney? AFAIK ... Congress has no authority over the New York Manhattan DA’s office. Alvin Bragg can safely file this nonsense away and ignore it. Congress has no law enforcement arm to act on their jackbooted arrest wishes except to appeal to the DOJ. I’m pretty sure DOJ isn’t going to help them out. It’s not Trump’s DOJ anymore.


There's no leap in logic that one needs to perform should Trump still have his stooges embedded over at DOJ. Bill Barr would have done his best work defending against Trump's enemies as Trump's personal lawyer in the guise of AG and the stacked SCOTUS would have backed him up. Thank goodness numerous acts of malfeasance at DOJ that would certainly have occurred under Trump's watch has been prevented by Biden being elected over Trump.
 

cytg111

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We all hate ourselves, feel as if we are the worst in the world but those feelings are deeply repressed and to varying degrees successfully. People who may feel worthless and not know it can still accomplish great things.

Written yesterday

Damn dude...
 
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