Is Trump Trying to Stage a Coup?

[Starbuck1975]

And you're still avoiding my question. It's not about what's going to happen, what's likely to happen, but what would you call if it Trump did manage to overturn the election results in his favour (which unless you have any compelling evidence to the contrary, call a spade a spade and that's what he said he's trying to do), because so far you've called it 'petty'.

Trump is basing his entire argument on accusations of election fraud, for which he has yet to provide any compelling evidence and all available avenues to him are shutting down. All he is doing now is what he always does is shout and tantrum on social media. I would call that delusion.

My personal opinion, the noise he is now making is to paint himself as a victim and fuel whatever his next move might be. He seems more inclined to destroy the GOP and carve out his own cult political entity than lead a coup.

 

[mikeymikec]

Trump is basing his entire argument on accusations of election fraud, for which he has yet to provide any compelling evidence and all available avenues to him are shutting down. All he is doing now is what he always does is shout and tantrum on social media. I would call that delusion.

My personal opinion, the noise he is now making is to paint himself as a victim and fuel whatever his next move might be. He seems more inclined to destroy the GOP and carve out his own cult political entity than lead a coup.

This conversation is reminding me of a famous political interview:

 

[Starbuck1975]

This conversation is reminding me of a famous political interview:

I am not dodging your question, if that is your assertion, I am just not giving you the answer you want. Let’s assume Trump is attempting a coup. Surely arguing with me about it on the internet isn’t going to stop it from happening. What do you propose we do?

 

[fskimospy]

I am not dodging your question, if that is your assertion, I am just not giving you the answer you want. Let’s assume Trump is attempting a coup. Surely arguing with me about it on the internet isn’t going to stop it from happening. What do you propose we do?

I would imagine the first step to doing something about it would be to get others to acknowledge it’s happening.

 

[mikeymikec]

I am not dodging your question, if that is your assertion, I am just not giving you the answer you want. Let’s assume Trump is attempting a coup. Surely arguing with me about it on the internet isn’t going to stop it from happening. What do you propose we do?

I'm not trying to trap you in any way, I asked you a freaking question. Others here (myself included) call it an attempted coup, the only label you've been willing to give it is 'petty', which I'm pretty sure that all of your critics here are dumbfounded by, because you're criticising others for being over-the-top in labelling it as an attempted coup and it seems very much like you're having a knee-jerk reaction by labelling it in such a benign fashion, like you're going in as far in the opposite direction as you possibly can, short of "this is all normal".

 

[VRAMdemon]

Speaking of delusional....

Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn) HOPES DumpsterFire will put the country first and congratulate President-elect Biden.

Why he thinks Trump would put anything but himself first would be a galaxy wide revelation. Delusional

Michael Flynn expressed confidence Saturday that DumpsterFire will serve a second consecutive term. This further dilution in his standing as a human being was in public remarks at one of the, "Stop the Steal “Total Denial of Reality” rallies.

The only consecutive terms DumpsterFire deserves to serve are in a lovely upstate NY prison.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I'm not trying to trap you in any way, I asked you a freaking question. Others here (myself included) call it an attempted coup, the only label you've been willing to give it is 'petty', which I'm pretty sure that all of your critics here are dumbfounded by, because you're criticising others for being over-the-top in labelling it as an attempted coup and it seems very much like you're having a knee-jerk reaction by labelling it in such a benign fashion, like you're going in as far in the opposite direction as you possibly can, short of "this is all normal".

None of this is normal. I simply disagree that its even a coup attempt, and gave my reasoning. You do realize that we are allowed to disagree. What I see is Biden planning his cabinet and transition. I expect that if Biden’s transition team truly feared a coup, they would be addressing it head on.

 

[Vic]

All semantics aside, expecting the judiciary to overlook the law in favor of party and overturn an election is still a despicable and corrupt act.

 

[fskimospy]

All semantics aside, expecting the judiciary to overlook the law in favor of party and overturn an election is still a despicable and corrupt act.

Not just the judiciary, he also attempted to get state legislatures to overturn the will of their own voters.

Trump asked every single available actor to end democracy in America. If people don’t want to call that a coup I guess that doesn’t matter so long as we can all agree Trump attempted to end democracy.

 

[MrSquished]

All semantics aside, expecting the judiciary to overlook the law in favor of party and overturn an election is still a despicable and corrupt act.

It's not semantics. It's many state legislators in PA that wanted to go along for example. The majority of the House Republicans signed on. Republican leadership is pretty much still onboard. 17 states signed on with that lawsuit. State GOP organizations are openly supporting insurrection, etc...

This goes way beyond petty. This is putting massive cracks into the foundations of democracy.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I would imagine the first step to doing something about it would be to get others to acknowledge it’s happening.

Great, you can start with getting the President elect and his transition team to acknowledge it.

 

[fskimospy]

Great, you can start with getting the President elect and his transition team to acknowledge it.

Lol it never fails. Even when Republicans are attempting to end democracy in the US you’re still criticizing Democrats.

Like I’ve told you for years, your insipid #bothsides-ing has led to ever more extreme Republican behavior because they pay no price for it. People like you aren’t the only reason we have come to this but you’re a big reason why. As it continues to get worse I hope you remember that you helped make it happen and are ashamed of your behavior.

 

[fskimospy]

It's not semantics. It's many state legislators in PA that wanted to go along for example. The majority of the House Republicans signed on. Republican leadership is pretty much still onboard. 17 states signed on with that lawsuit. State GOP organizations are openly supporting insurrection, etc...

This goes way beyond petty. This is putting massive cracks into the foundations of democracy.

Yes. More than half of SITTING Republican members of the House signed on to a lawsuit whose aim was to end democracy in the United States. When this attempt to end democracy failed, the Texas state party asvocated secession as preferable to democracy.

All the alarms should be flashing bright red right now. Fascism is here, and it’s in the form of the Republican Party.

 

[FireJack]

Is it possible to sue or charge individuals (or the party) for attempts to undermine democracy? Given they have shown no evidence of all their claims couldn't a court show it was intended to undermine an legal election?

 

[sportage]

I guess this qualifies as part of the coup according to Fox, the Joe Biden coup that is, with Fox News claiming outrage by suggesting the media ignored information about the Hunter Biden tax thing. And had the media reported on Hunter Biden then people would have never voted for Joe Biden. And so, going by Fox News reckoning, Joe Biden is an illegitimate president elect. And so I guess Donald Trump “could” add this to his election stealing conspiracy theories. And remind me again Fox News, when exactly did Donald Trump release his tax returns? And, Fox, how might that had affected 2016? Oh... don’t want to talk about THAT ???

 

[cytg111]

How do you know they’re fraudulent until they’ve been assessed based on their merits? Can you point to any coup in history where those seeking to attain power actually followed the process within the parameters of the system itself?Trump challenged the results via the process, and his challenges have all failed. That is not a coup.

nuff said

Democracy Under Pressure: The Case of Poland, Hungary and Turkey

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www.omicsonline.org

 

[cytg111]

I am not dodging your question, if that is your assertion, I am just not giving you the answer you want. Let’s assume Trump is attempting a coup. Surely arguing with me about it on the internet isn’t going to stop it from happening. What do you propose we do?

Protest of course.

 

[trenchfoot]

It seems the Repub strategy of playing the hapless victim as both a defensive and offensive ploy is still their go-to card trick. Can't blame them for relying on it so often in the sense that accomplishments-to-brag-about-wise that benefit the middle class and the poor has either been too far in-between or a transparent blatant pack of lies that only Trump's base will buy into.

Looking at how low the Repub Party has had debase itself in order to support Trump and his lame ass efforts toward hanging onto his job, it looks as if there is no bottom to hit and bounce back from.

 

[mikeymikec]

None of this is normal. I simply disagree that its even a coup attempt, and gave my reasoning.

Ok, for the last time:

SO WHAT WORD/TERM WOULD YOU USE TO DESCRIBE IT AS?

Maybe, just maybe. Your reluctance to answer this question is truly baffling.

 

[gothuevos]

2024 will be a disaster. Not even sure who will be running from either side...but the Republicans have made it clear that they basically will not accept defeat. The next time their candidate loses, they will bust through all these soft cracks they've created this past month. Or if they control Congress by 2024, they will simply seat their own candidate.

 

[Jhhnn]

It seems the Repub strategy of playing the hapless victim as both a defensive and offensive ploy is still their go-to card trick. Can't blame them for relying on it so often in the sense that accomplishments-to-brag-about-wise that benefit the middle class and the poor has either been too far in-between or a transparent blatant pack of lies that only Trump's base will buy into.

Looking at how low the Repub Party has had debase itself in order to support Trump and his lame ass efforts toward hanging onto his job, it looks as if there is no bottom to hit and bounce back from.

Persecuted now more than ever-

Trump unleashes an army of sore losers

GOP candidates for House, legislative and gubernatorial races in more than half a dozen states are claiming voter fraud and still refusing to acknowledge defeat.

www.politico.com

 

[Fenixgoon]

2024 will be a disaster. Not even sure who will be running from either side...but the Republicans have made it clear that they basically will not accept defeat. The next time their candidate loses, they will bust through all these soft cracks they've created this past month. Or if they control Congress by 2024, they will simply seat their own candidate.

that is my big fear

 

[trenchfoot]

2024 will be a disaster. Not even sure who will be running from either side...but the Republicans have made it clear that they basically will not accept defeat. The next time their candidate loses, they will bust through all these soft cracks they've created this past month. Or if they control Congress by 2024, they will simply seat their own candidate.

This is they way the Repubs will resolve their problem of being a minority party looking to rule over the majority one. As you've implied, they've laid and are still laying the foundation for this to become their reality. Having a 6-3 majority in the Supreme Court is another brick in the wall of obstruction and denial they're building in opposition to the Republic for which they are now against.

 

[fskimospy]

2024 will be a disaster. Not even sure who will be running from either side...but the Republicans have made it clear that they basically will not accept defeat. The next time their candidate loses, they will bust through all these soft cracks they've created this past month. Or if they control Congress by 2024, they will simply seat their own candidate.

There’s a pretty good chance that Republicans will control the house and senate in 2024, yes. I agree with you to some extent that if the election is close I think Republicans will seat their own candidate if they lose. If it’s not close I think they wouldn’t do it.

Regardless though the unmistakeable takeaway here is that they have demonstrated that they now consider respecting the outcome of elections to be optional and more of a political question than a legal one. If they think they can do so successfully they will.

 

[hal2kilo]

Persecuted now more than ever-

Trump unleashes an army of sore losers

GOP candidates for House, legislative and gubernatorial races in more than half a dozen states are claiming voter fraud and still refusing to acknowledge defeat.

www.politico.com

Then Pelosi should refuse to seat them as house members.