Is Venezuela Next?

[fskimospy]

Oh, I would never compare my brain power to yours.

I guess I forgot a third option. When I was in my senior year of high school several kids went into the military because they wanted to "kill some ***heads", ostensibly to "avenge 9/11". This was a couple years after 9/11 and they were, I guess, "patriots" in the eyes of many.

Do you consider them patriots?

You sound like a sheltered child.

 

[MajinCry]

Stay classy. You have a deep knowledge of why people join the military, aided by your clearly superior brainpower.

There's really no good reason for joining a continental mercenary company. Sure, it's America's welfare system, but come on. Being paid to rape and murder, or being paid to support your peers who rape and murder, is devoid of moral reasoning.

At best, you could claim that it's dim-witted, ignorant patriots trying to serve their country, in which case, those are too-stupid-to-live individuals given guns and sent off to fight for the US' invasions. Which subsequently entails rape and slaughter; war.

 

[realibrad]

Well that's enough for me. Time to bomb the shit out of their infrastructure, kill a few hundred thousand civilians, declare victory and leave the country fighting a civil war,

Either that or our only other option, invade the country and never fucking leave.

From what I can tell of our American foreign policy brain trust, these are the only two options they are capable of thinking up.

Why is everyone thinking that seeing how bad it is and wanting to do something means invasion?

There are many options other than invasion.

 

[Boris Morozov]

Follow the money. Oil=money
War=money

 

[NostaSeronx]

Follow the money. Oil=money
War=money

Annex Venezuela! FREE BLACK GOLD!

 

[fskimospy]

There's really no good reason for joining a continental mercenary company. Sure, it's America's welfare system, but come on. Being paid to rape and murder, or being paid to support your peers who rape and murder, is devoid of moral reasoning.

At best, you could claim that it's dim-witted, ignorant patriots trying to serve their country, in which case, those are too-stupid-to-live individuals given guns and sent off to fight for the US' invasions. Which subsequently entails rape and slaughter; war.

I find it very amusing that you wrote something like this while pretty obviously considering yourself smarter than average.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Follow the money. Oil=money
War=money

Just as soon as I read that this song came to mind which describes the process.

 

[bshole]

Just as soon as I read that this song came to mind which describes the process.

No way, this is the gold standard for this. Nothing else even comes close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3b6SGoN6dA&list=RDK3b6SGoN6dA#t=19

Generals gathered in their masses,
just like witches at black masses.
Evil minds that plot destruction,
sorcerer of death's construction.
In the fields the bodies burning,
as the war machine keeps turning.
Death and hatred to mankind,
poisoning their brainwashed minds...Oh lord yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor

Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait `till their judgement day comes, yeah!

Now in darkness, world stops turning,
ashes where the bodies burning.
No more war pigs have the power,
hand of god has struck the hour.
Day of judgement, god is calling,
on their knees the war pigs crawling.
Begging mercy for their sins,
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings...Oh lord, yeah!

 

[Puffnstuff]

No way, this is the gold standard for this. Nothing else even comes close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3b6SGoN6dA&list=RDK3b6SGoN6dA#t=19

Yeah War Pigs was one of the first songs to describe the mindset behind making war but Shadow Gallery expounds upon it like no other artist. We could also add this one for good measure.

 

[MajinCry]

I find it very amusing that you wrote something like this while pretty obviously considering yourself smarter than average.

If someone joins the military as one of those, quote unquote, freedom-loving patriots misled by their country, they have to either be too stupid to live, or so ignorant that they have the naivety of a toddler. Noam Chomsky, Gore Vidal, and Howard Zinn have been around for decades, after all.

If the soldier believes that they're fighting to serve their country, they have to completely ignore:

The US invasion of Vietnam.
The US overthrowing Cuba and installing a brutal dictator, subsequently strangling the country economically when the people overthrew said dictator.
The US invading and occupying Panama.
The US proxy war of Nicaragua.
The US support and arming of a genocidal Guatemalan dictator.
The US' invasion of Afghanistan.
The US installing an Iraqi dictator followed by a subsequent invasion when the dictator invaded Kuwait for control over the region's oil.
The US invasion of Somalia.
And finally, the US occupation of Japan during the end of WWII.

I'm sure I've missed quite a few atrocities on behalf of the US. Latin America is a museum of such.

So if the soldier ignores all that, and still signs up believing themselves to be moral, they're an utter buffoon. If the argument is that "they didn't know any better", then they're the same; you can't live in the US and not know of the atrocities. That's just silly.

 

[Boris Morozov]

Just as soon as I read that this song came to mind which describes the process.

Good stuff! First I've heard of this band!

 

[Genx87]

I wonder how many people have died from excess mortality due to malnutrition in Venezuela over the last couple of years? It wouldn't shock me to learn that number was many thousand.

Think the avg Venezuelan has lost something like 22 pounds in the past 12 months. The place is going to be another humanitarian disaster shortly. In many ways it already is.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Good stuff! First I've heard of this band!

They're a progressive metal band out of Pennsylvania and have been around for a few years. Unfortunately their lead singer died not so long ago so I don't know what they're up to these days.

 

[Genx87]

Maduro is not the Venezuelan Government and from 2001 to 2013 when those prices were high and he was not the President. You can blame him for perhaps not reacting well to the economic downturn caused by Chavez policies, but you cannot blame him for oil prices or the malnutrition of venezuelans like you can blame Duterte for the extrajudicial killings he orders himself.

You have to be kidding us. Maduro was part of the national assembly in 2000 and help various high level positions within Chavezs' govt.. He has very much been part of this disastrous govt from the beginning. And he is only doubling down on the idiocy and making his country fall apart. What I am curious about is his exit strategy. This can't go on forever. They have run out of ways to stop the train from falling off the cliff.

 

[Boris Morozov]

They're a progressive metal band out of Pennsylvania and have been around for a few years. Unfortunately their lead singer died not so long ago so I don't know what they're up to these days.

Apparently they were known as Sorcerer during the 80s. More music to check out!

 

[agent00f]

You sound like a sheltered child.

I find it very amusing that you wrote something like this while pretty obviously considering yourself smarter than average.

It's worth pointing out that fskimospy loves it when democrat hawks bomb brown people to get some defense votes and less so when republicans do it, cus you know, politics.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Trump has found a dictator he doesn't like - Maduro of Venezuela. So he is now starting to rattle sabers. I just saw Gen. McMasturbate on MSNBC talking about how we might have to help the people of venezuela in their struggle agains this "terrible dictatorship". A reporter asked "what about Duterte and Erdogan and all the other dictators that he cozies up to? Why are the excluded from this?" which was answered with "We're focusing on Venezuela right now. Next question?". Such lovely, lovely generals. Amazing generals. McMasturbate is especially lovely...



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ial-us-president-nicolas-maduro-a7913151.html

Iran is perhaps not next but they will be in the "axis of evil" and they will get bombed. Venezuela, NK, whatever scapegoat they need to bomb Iran will do just fine.

That's my prediction.

 

[FIVR]

Iran is perhaps not next but they will be in the "axis of evil" and they will get bombed. Venezuela, NK, whatever scapegoat they need to bomb Iran will do just fine.

That's my prediction.

Iran has a competent air defense system (including the Russian S400 system IIRC) and it would be very cost prohibitive and dangerous to do bombing missions in Iran like we do in Syria.


Venezuela on the other hand is in tatters and would have almost no chance of defending against an attack from the US. It is also thousands of miles closer than Iran and therefore logistics issues and costs are much, much lower.


I think your prediction is wrong. I don't think the US will bomb anybody except Syria, because Syria is the only easy country to bomb. If they do bomb somebody, it won't be Iran or North Korea... Venezuela is a much more likely option than either of those.

 

[FIVR]

It's worth pointing out that fskimospy loves it when democrat hawks bomb brown people to get some defense votes and less so when republicans do it, cus you know, politics.

Yes... I'm aware of his bloodthirst. I think he may be former military or something.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Iran has a competent air defense system (including the Russian S400 system IIRC) and it would be very cost prohibitive and dangerous to do bombing missions in Iran like we do in Syria.


Venezuela on the other hand is in tatters and would have almost no chance of defending against an attack from the US. It is also thousands of miles closer than Iran and therefore logistics issues and costs are much, much lower.


I think your prediction is wrong. I don't think the US will bomb anybody except Syria, because Syria is the only easy country to bomb. If they do bomb somebody, it won't be Iran or North Korea... Venezuela is a much more likely option than either of those.

I can't remember all the greatness I heard about the Iraqi defence before the war. In reality the US and allies could just roll over any nation in the world if desired and Iran is a teeny tiny player that would not be able to do much with their ancient hardware.

The S400 is useless against any modern western airforce but can be used to shoot down civilian airliners just fine.

Also, Trump doesn't give a fuck about American lives, he's demonstrated that time and time again. He's a lot like Putin in that he'd sell his own daughter to terrorists if it helps him in any shape or form.

 

[FIVR]

I can't remember all the greatness I heard about the Iraqi defence before the war. In reality the US and allies could just roll over any nation in the world if desired and Iran is a teeny tiny player that would not be able to do much with their ancient hardware.

I don't remember any such sentiment of "greatness" associated with Iraq during either the 1st or 2nd Gulf war. I was quite young during the first one, but during OIF in 2003 I distinctly recall the sentiment being "we can do whatever we want to Iraq because we're 'Murica and Saddam sucks."

Even if there was such sentiment and I just happened to not notice it (somehow?), Iran is not Iraq. Iran is much, much more advanced and also... 2017 is not the same as 2003 or 1991. Many big advances have been made in surface to air missile tech... but very few have been made in stealth. The last thing I would point out is that most of Iran's military facilities are deep (hundreds of meters) underground. They do the same thing as the North Koreans and any bombing we did would be quite ineffective in terms of actually causing damage to their nuclear or military infrastructure.

The S400 is useless against any modern western airforce but can be used to shoot down civilian airliners just fine.

Do you have a reference for this? The S400 is a defense system comprised of almost a dozen different kinds of missiles... radars.. and C&C systems.... I find it highly unlikely that some random britbong on AT is well versed in Russian missile and radar technology. Most likely, you are just talking out of your highly patriotic rear. We know you brits are dependent on us for all your safety... and that makes you want to wave the US flag and sing our anthem... but I would warn you that American systems may be less effective than you are told in brochures.

Also, Trump doesn't give a fuck about American lives, he's demonstrated that time and time again. He's a lot like Putin in that he'd sell his own daughter to terrorists if it helps him in any shape or form.

I agree with you on this, however Trump himself is not in control of the US military. It's pretty obvious he delegates all military-related decisions to "his generals", who (IMO) do have regard for US soldiers lives. So I don't think Trump's lack of regard for US soldier's lives will have any effect on where they are sent.

 

[pcgeek11]

There's really no good reason for joining a continental mercenary company. Sure, it's America's welfare system, but come on. Being paid to rape and murder, or being paid to support your peers who rape and murder, is devoid of moral reasoning.

At best, you could claim that it's dim-witted, ignorant patriots trying to serve their country, in which case, those are too-stupid-to-live individuals given guns and sent off to fight for the US' invasions. Which subsequently entails rape and slaughter; war.

LOL. You never quit with this lie do you?

Where are you from anyway? Like what country.

 

[MajinCry]

LOL. You never quit with this lie do you?

Where are you from anyway? Like what country.

Keep pretending that Winter Soldier never happened.

 

[pcgeek11]

Keep pretending that Winter Soldier never happened.

Keep exaggerating the truth. Horrible things happen in every war from all countries and nationalities. You need to quit pretending you are so much better than everyone else.

So where do you live?

 

[agent00f]

Yes... I'm aware of his bloodthirst. I think he may be former military or something.

Pretty sure he used to be military, so understandable why he promotes their interests as a D hawk.

Keep exaggerating the truth. Horrible things happen in every war from all countries and nationalities. You need to quit pretending you are so much better than everyone else.

So where do you live?

He's criticizing militarism, so the debate is military solution for Venezuela (same as the US has for a number of south/latin american counties) vs not. A shame dear leader is too encumbered with his own problems to muster the credibility and rally the country around killing brown people.