So at what point is a ground war a reasonable response to ISIS? Their attacks are going to get worse and worse.
At some point, such evil will need confronting, regardless of their silly prophesies.
Did you read it? Because his point follows what was said in the article you linked to. ISIS wants an end of times war and they have chosen the US as the replacement for Rome in the final battle. Their videos are created to do exactly that, to get the American public to push for a major response so that ISIS's prophecy can come true.
Drone strikes and minimal responses are about the best we can do.
This just baffles me. I do not understand why the majority of Americans disagree with me about ISIS. I have appreciated Obama's muted response to ISIS. I actually wish it was even less than it already is.
I too appreciated Obama's mild approach to this. Trouble is it didn't work. That's why he now has such a high disapproval on this issue.This just baffles me. I do not understand why the majority of Americans disagree with me about ISIS. I have appreciated Obama's muted response to ISIS. I actually wish it was even less than it already is.
Why do Americans want to go in again? Is it that easy for our news media to whip us into a blood fury by reporting in PORNOGRAPHIC detail the few acts of violence by ISIS? Why are we so easily played by our media/ISIS? Sad.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/16/politics/cnn-poll-isis-obama-approval/
You keep saying that ISIS wants us to attack. That is not correct. ISIS wants to establish a caliphate, and in fact pretty much has done so. Unless someone destroys them, that caliphate will continue to grow in size and power. Eventually, overcoming it will cost more than we are willing to bear.Did you read it? Because his point follows what was said in the article you linked to. ISIS wants an end of times war and they have chosen the US as the replacement for Rome in the final battle. Their videos are created to do exactly that, to get the American public to push for a major response so that ISIS's prophecy can come true.
Drone strikes and minimal responses are about the best we can do.
Don't forget the juvenile rules of engagement this regime put in place. The Obama administration cannot triumph over ISIS with the ideology they apply to the situation.The conquering of territory and the destruction of ISIS are easily attainable goals and the US military would make it look like a picnic. Unless our leaders are stupid enough to park our soldiers on city streets... again.
You keep saying that ISIS wants us to attack. That is not correct. ISIS wants to establish a caliphate, and in fact pretty much has done so. Unless someone destroys them, that caliphate will continue to grow in size and power. Eventually, overcoming it will cost more than we are willing to bear.
We relaxed before and 3,000 Americans died. Sometimes when people talk endlessly about wanting to kill you and enslave your women, it's not just empty talk.???? Huh? They have ZERO manufacturing capability. They have a natural enemy in Iran who is orders of magnitude more powerful and WILL oppose ISIS at the point of a gun. Iran is our enemy and we buy their oil. If ISIS gets oil, they will sell it to us. No worries mate.
ISIS has no ability to project power on more than a regional basis and never will. They will never have real military, technological or manufacturing power, their ideology prevents it. It is actually a net benefit to society to have all the islamist kooks from Western society moving there. Let them have their caliphate, I have no problem with that at all. They deserve as much freedom to choose their system of governance as we do.
Iran has been a theocracy for 30+ years and America survived. If ISIS runs Iraq for the next 30+ years, America will survive. C'mon America, relax....
The conquering of territory and the destruction of ISIS are easily attainable goals and the US military would make it look like a picnic. Unless our leaders are stupid enough to park our soldiers on city streets... again.
Blockade the territory and let the locals do the clean up.
My plan of action is fundamentally different than the Bush occupation.
What pains me is I know this can easily be done, but I lack faith in our leaders to see it through. It's more likely to be politically correct to let our soldiers act as policemen on ISIS friendly streets while we allow the free movement of arms and fighting men to depose us.
So you see... I am torn between what we CAN do, and what we WILL do.
We relaxed before and 3,000 Americans died. Sometimes when people talk endlessly about wanting to kill you and enslave your women, it's not just empty talk.
Same way we paid for stimulus.And how exactly will we pay for this?
I too appreciated Obama's mild approach to this. Trouble is it didn't work. That's why he now has such a high disapproval on this issue.
You keep saying that ISIS wants us to attack. That is not correct. ISIS wants to establish a caliphate, and in fact pretty much has done so. Unless someone destroys them, that caliphate will continue to grow in size and power. Eventually, overcoming it will cost more than we are willing to bear.
Same way we paid for stimulus.
It's odd that you posted in this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2421232
And then you tell me I'm incorrect. I guess you didn't bother reading that article.
If the US were to attack ISIS, and destroy the army that ISIS has, how would that make ISIS stronger? For their story to be true, they would need to win. If we destroy them, how does that prove they were right? How would they get new recruits?
Lol. Can you point to the map exactly where ISIS is? Can you show me who exactly we need to kill that won't cause a vacuum of power and a new leader to arise? No? Then I'm sure you can see the flaw in your "plan"
Oh this is disgusting.I bet the Egyptian people do not put up with this.
They already have over 500 terrorists ready to execute.
I'm liking the stance Egypt is taking nowadays.It seems they're standing for what's right,IMO.
OK so now ISIS has Jordan AND Egypt on them..
NSF--anything.
http://dd.dmz.se/misc/d/~lol/isis/isis_new_vid.mp4
Power vacuum? With the ISIS militia defeated, the Iraqi army can move in and take back their cities. For Syria, that should be Assad if we had any brains and learned the lesson of toppling Saddam.
Power vacuum? With the ISIS militia defeated, the Iraqi army can move in and take back their cities. For Syria, that should be Assad if we had any brains and learned the lesson of toppling Saddam.
So, I asked a question, and you chose not to respond to it. I asked my question, because I wanted to see what your opinion on attacking ISIS and what would happen from that. So feel free to answer that.
ISIS map. I feel this answers your first question.
The 2nd question ill answer, but it has nothing to do with what I was asking.
There will be a power vacuum. The implication of your question is likely that it would be filled by someone worse. Why you feel that way is no too important, because its stupid and wrong. There was not a Hitler 2.0 that was worse. There was a power vacuum, but it was not filled by anyone worse.
So, if you would be so kind, can you please answer my previous post. I know you are not under any obligation to do so, but it would make for a much more enjoyable time in this thread, vs what you previously did.
Power vacuum? With the ISIS militia defeated, the Iraqi army can move in and take back their cities. For Syria, that should be Assad if we had any brains and learned the lesson of toppling Saddam.
The Islamic State ‘caliphate’ is in danger of losing its main supply route
BAGHDAD — For weeks, U.S.-backed forces have been fighting to oust the Islamic State from key areas of northern Iraq in a series of small-scale battles that could have an enormous impact on the group’s “caliphate.”
A major prize in the clashes is a highway that serves as a lifeline for the Islamic State. It runs from the group’s Iraq stronghold in Mosul to its enclaves in northeastern Syria, including its self-styled capital, Raqqa, 300 miles away.
The battles are occurring as Islamic State is causing growing alarm internationally over its brutal actions, which have included the murder of a captured Jordanian pilot and the beheading of 21 Egyptian Christians by Libya-based adherents of the extremist group.
In late January, however, Islamic State fighters suffered a setback as Iraqi Kurdish forces seized a stretch of the key highway at the town of Kiske, west of Mosul.
The Islamic State is still using the highway, detouring onto back roads to get around Kiske. But if the Iraqi Kurdish fighters can maintain and expand their hold on the road, the Islamist extremists “will be under a kind of siege in the area. It will be very hard for them” logistically, said Hisham al-Hashemi, an Iraqi researcher who is an expert on the radical group.
Kurdish peshmerga forces get ready for an operation in the city of Sinjar, Iraq, on Dec. 20, 2014, at Mount Sinjar, southwest of the northern city of Mosul. (Safin Hamed/AFP/Getty Images)
[Related: The Islamic State is failing at being a state}
Blocking the highway would pressure the Sunni fighters to rely on lengthier and potentially riskier routes to transport people, cash and weapons, analysts say.
The road has been controlled by the jihadists since last summer. The peshmerga fighters from the semi-autonomous Kurdish region in northern Iraq launched the series of battles in December. The operation initially targeted Sinjar — an Iraqi town bisected by the crucial highway. But after fighting there stalled, Kurdish forces broadened their offensive.
The Islamic State had seized Mosul in June, annexing the Iraqi territory to Syrian terrain already under the group’s control. That month Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi declared a caliphate over the thousands of square miles of land it had seized.
The loss of the highway between Mosul and Raqqa would be not just a logistical defeat for Islamic State but a psychological one, analysts say.
“The integrity of the caliphate — it’s built on continuous military victory,” said Jessica Lewis McFate, research director at the Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think tank.
The “caliphate” could lose legitimacy in the eyes of its supporters if it is unable to defend the land it has taken, she said.
Lol! Speaking of stupid, some people apparently don't know their history. Oh well, enjoy repeating past mistakes.
And no, a map of where ISIS has gained control is not the same thing as knowing where ISIS is and where we need to strike.
So you say what is wrong with the Bush occupation.. claim you have a method but don't share any of it.. leaving us thinking you really don't have a plan.The conquering of territory and the destruction of ISIS are easily attainable goals and the US military would make it look like a picnic. Unless our leaders are stupid enough to park our soldiers on city streets... again.
Blockade the territory and let the locals do the clean up.
My plan of action is fundamentally different than the Bush occupation.
What pains me is I know this can easily be done, but I lack faith in our leaders to see it through. It's more likely to be politically correct to let our soldiers act as policemen on ISIS friendly streets while we allow the free movement of arms and fighting men to depose us.
So you see... I am torn between what we CAN do, and what we WILL do.
Don't forget the juvenile rules of engagement this regime put in place. The Obama administration cannot triumph over ISIS with the ideology they apply to the situation.
They're hoping they can do the touchy feely thing until January of 2017 and let the next preezy worry about it. And if the next preezy is a Republican, so much the better in their eyes.
In the meantime, we'll funnel some money over there to set up job fairs.
So you say what is wrong with the Bush occupation.. claim you have a method but don't share any of it.. leaving us thinking you really don't have a plan.
Also why is ISIS my problem as an American? Sounds like that side of the world has a problem they need to deal with. New Zealand doesn't seem to care and their lives seem better for it.
Does Faces of Death ring a bell?? I never understood the fascination with that...