Very dangerous; you go first.Well shit, then let's not be concerned about this at all. Let's wait until it's a big enough problem. Now, how will we gauge that?
The president of what was once the most powerful nation on earth doesn't want to deal with this. Will another leader fill that vacuum? Who is that leader? Oh wait, we're going to all just sit around and watch it play out for a spell now, aren't we? Nevermind.
Sad thing is that we would win, and do so in decisive fashion if only we had the stomach to do what it actually takes to win a war. We have the capabilities, we just have to unleash them and get over the horrors of war. I know that's easier said than done, but how is witnessing atrocities like this for years on end any better?
Well shit, then let's not be concerned about this at all. Let's wait until it's a big enough problem. Now, how will we gauge that?
The president of what was once the most powerful nation on earth doesn't want to deal with this. Will another leader fill that vacuum? Who is that leader? Oh wait, we're going to all just sit around and watch it play out for a spell now, aren't we? Nevermind.
Sad thing is that we would win, and do so in decisive fashion if only we had the stomach to do what it actually takes to win a war. We have the capabilities, we just have to unleash them and get over the horrors of war. I know that's easier said than done, but how is witnessing atrocities like this for years on end any better?
Feel free to quote the rest of my post where I said we should have never gone in 2003 in the first place. But what is done is done. Like I analogized before, it's like if you hit someone with your car, are you going to just speed away like an a-hole, or are you going to at least try to stop the bleeding of the patient and preferably drive them to a hospital? Saying the region is irreparable so we should just permanently bail is like saying, whoops this guy isn't going to be able to walk again so I'm going to let him die and drive off. So what if he can't walk again, if Iraq splits into 3 pieces like Joe wanted, that's still better than the crazy mess today.
so what? go in guns a blazing topple another regime and let another one start?
worked real well the last time didn't it?
We helped to practically destroy Kobani to rout ISIL. Should we set the region on fire?
All of it reveals our inherent tribalism. And rather than rising above that, it seems to be more entrenched. We helped stop genocide in the Balkans, but that region is divided more than ever. It's what Putin's been doing in Eastern Europe since Georgia.
It can be said there are Christian states, a seminal Muslim state and a Jewish state. And where they mix there is often trouble. Clearly the solution lies in tolerance and respect, but where there are religious divides those goals seem impossible. We have so much to let go of as we grasp ever more tightly.
Let's do this a little different. You didn't just hit someone, you drove your car through his front door and ran his kid over and killed him intentionally. Then you are going to stay in his house until he's all better and back on his feet. Well no matter how long you plan to stay he's always going to hate you. In fact you are now known so well as being the reckless killer that the neighborhood ruffians are going about taking advantage and killing too. Sit around and watch Humpty Dumpty spontaneously reassemble, but keeping our people hostage for a fantasy "stabilization" is just as likely. ISIS invading Turkey? I'd almost like to see that because I don't think you have the first clue of what the Turks are capable of. Once started no one would get in their way until they were done.
Good luck tolerating and respecting those who wish to behead, crucify, and burn you to death. I think Ill choose another path......
The record could not be clearer regarding the fact that we caused numerous detainee deaths, many of which have gone completely uninvestigated and thus unpunished. Instead, the media and political class have misleadingly caused the debate to consist of the myth that these tactics were limited and confined. As Gen. Barry McCaffrey recently put it:We should never, as a policy, maltreat people under our control, detainees. We tortured people unmercifully. We probably murdered dozens of them during the course of that, both the armed forces and the C.I.A.Journalist and Human Rights Watch researcher John Sifton similarly documented that “approximately 100 detainees, including CIA-held detainees, have died during U.S. interrogations, and some are known to have been tortured to death.”
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The ACLU has posted online numerous autopsy reports of detainee deaths in U.S. custody. These are documents prepared by the U.S. military, and they are as chilling as they are reflective of extreme criminality. Here are just a few illustrative examples (click on images to enlarge):
Oh please, you're trying to make Turkey out to be a badass? Seriously?
Turkey has a pretty serious military.
If they went to war they could field over a million men in a modern fighting force.
Given that the 'other side' is ISIS it's impossible not to have the moral high-ground.I don't know that we have the moral high-ground on this. Remember we are the one who has tortured many of 'them' to death.
http://www.salon.com/2009/06/30/accountability_7/
Turkey has a pretty serious military.
If they went to war they could field over a million men in a modern fighting force.
Oh please, you're trying to make Turkey out to be a badass? Seriously?
We probably murdered dozens of them
They have the best trained and modern army in the region. Turkey is NATO and participates in many NATO war games. They have to troops, tanks, aircraft to destroy any country in the region if they so desired. ISIS would run in fear or die if the full force of the Turkish army was unleashed upon them. The Turks know how to fight.
They have the best trained and modern army in the region. Turkey is NATO and participates in many NATO war games. They have to troops, tanks, aircraft to destroy any country in the region if they so desired. ISIS would run in fear or die if the full force of the Turkish army was unleashed upon them. The Turks know how to fight.
Turkey hasn't been in a serious war in ages.
I don't know that we have the moral high-ground on this. Remember we are the one who has tortured many of 'them' to death.
Edit: Although we didn't film it...sort of:
And we are the authority on respect :
http://www.salon.com/2009/06/30/accountability_7/
There is a reason for that.
No one wants to piss em off in that region, I believe they really have no desire to crush the PKK.
You did notice how they rolled all that shit up and just sat there and watched the Kurds when ISIS was rolling in, while eating popcorn or spam or whatever Turks eat while watching in their armor at the border like sitting at a ball game or something a few months ago ?
Gotta love how cartoon from "Americans for limited government" is advocating more US Government involvement in Iraq.