ISIS executes 19 girls for refusing to perform sexual jihad

[Sulaco]

Its now been pointed out to me that there is a big difference between American human trafficking and Daesh human trafficking because they do it and their executions in public

Please point me to the legally sanctioned, endorsed retailer where I can purchase a 9 year old girl for $170.
Please point me to the statutes which endorse, sanction, and encourage child sexual slavery, or the social and community encouragement of such actions.
Please also point to the summary executions of children for refusing to engage in sexual acts, sanctioned by and carried out by the state.

That's the difference, you supercilious, disingenuous derelict.

It's not that "Durr..bad stuff happens here too and bad people are everywhere!", it's that this group has nation-state aspirations, has become a regional threat, and is actively sanctioning and carrying out these actions.


But of course, this is obvious to anyone not suffering from total rectal-cranial inversion. This has been explained to you, very simply and eloquently before, and you again pretend to or choose to ignore it.

I don't honestly believe you're as dumb as you act. But you're clearly a disingenuous, equivocating fool with a borderline neurotic obsession with twisting and misinterpreting simple, concise statements into some kind of perceived assault onto your chosen sacred cow.

This is why your credibility is essentially nil, and folks find you and your schtick nauseating.

You're like the little brother of Dave McOwen, but instead of rich folks and oil companies, it's you against your perceived enemy at the gates of Islam, with all the same pig-headed illogical outrage and victimhood that guided ol' Davey.

Try something new. It's hollow, stale, transparent, and to anyone with two brain cells to rub together, it's an abandoned graveyard of terrible reasoning skills and logic.

 

[WelshBloke]

ISIS' underlying principle of thought posits a goal of destroying a prevailing civilization you don't like and establishing your own. It is simply madness.

Baghdadi is mad. Bin Laden was mad. Boko Haram is mad.

And so it can be said of James Holmes, Dylan Roof, Adam Lanza and others. OF course, there's a legal definition of insane which needn't correspond in any respect to what I've said here.

A virus going around, perhaps? What causes Evil to erupt this way, in various places, at various times, with alarming frequency?

ISIS, Al quida and boko haram are very different animals.

And none of them are mad.

Al quida are a political organisation informed by their (nearly mainstream) religious views.
Boko Haram are a power grab by a warlord informed by their (extreme) religious views.

ISIS are an apocalyptic cult,and very religious. They really believe (the leaders anyway) that they are going to be here for the final battle and that it's imminent.

This is an interesting article...

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

 

[Orignal Earl]

Please point me to the legally sanctioned, endorsed retailer where I can purchase a 9 year old girl for $170.
Please point me to the statutes which endorse, sanction, and encourage child sexual slavery, or the social and community encouragement of such actions.
Please also point to the summary executions of children for refusing to engage in sexual acts, sanctioned by and carried out by the state.

That's the difference, you supercilious, disingenuous derelict.

It's not that "Durr..bad stuff happens here too and bad people are everywhere!", it's that this group has nation-state aspirations, has become a regional threat, and is actively sanctioning and carrying out these actions.


But of course, this is obvious to anyone not suffering from total rectal-cranial inversion. This has been explained to you, very simply and eloquently before, and you again pretend to or choose to ignore it.

I don't honestly believe you're as dumb as you act. But you're clearly a disingenuous, equivocating fool with a borderline neurotic obsession with twisting and misinterpreting simple, concise statements into some kind of perceived assault onto your chosen sacred cow.

This is why your credibility is essentially nil, and folks find you and your schtick nauseating.

You're like the little brother of Dave McOwen, but instead of rich folks and oil companies, it's you against your perceived enemy at the gates of Islam, with all the same pig-headed illogical outrage and victimhood that guided ol' Davey.

Try something new. It's hollow, stale, transparent, and to anyone with two brain cells to rub together, it's an abandoned graveyard of terrible reasoning skills and logic.

I was wondering if davmat787 would pick up on the similarity of his public executions.

Did you know that Daesh is not a state, you give them a lot more legitimacy then they deserve
I don't think the child slaves in America are better off in any way no matter how bad that makes "you" feel

 

[coffeejunkee]

I posted them all right up there in my reply to WhipperSnapper
It was pretty simple to find

Thanks, guess I need to go back to using Google again. Anyway, it's a nice long list so US is very much not alone. On the other hand, Saudi-Arabia military alone could wipe out ISIS fairly easily, so why they still exist? It will involve ground forces and more allied casualties so that might be a reason. Also the question is how to stabilize the region and make sure they don't come back after a while.

Even simpler, Daesh is not a state
Ya...some geniuses here will need to argue that it says in their name they are

What does it matter? Even if they joined the UN they would still allow slavery. Also, if they are in your eyes not a state your previous comparison with other countries that are most definitely a state is irrelevant.

The point that you don't seem to want to understand is: bad things happen all over the world. In most places we try to prevent these things from happening and if they do, we punish the ones responsible. In other places bad things are actively encouraged. That makes these places worse than the former places.

 

[davmat787]

I was wondering if davmat787 would pick up on the similarity of his public executions.

Did you know that Daesh is not a state, you give them a lot more legitimacy then they deserve
I don't think the child slaves in America are better off in any way no matter how bad that makes "you" feel

What do you mean by "my" public executions?

While there are very real differences between the enslavement I discuss in my OP and enslavement elsewhere, I'm not going to comment on which group of victims are better or worse off than other victims, that comes across as being extremely distasteful to me.

 

[Orignal Earl]

What do you mean by "my" public executions?

As long as the extermination is recorded and televised so that the world can see I think it to be a wonderful and heart warming idea.

These executions

 

[Orignal Earl]

Also, if they are in your eyes not a state your previous comparison with other countries that are most definitely a state is irrelevant.

I had said human trafficking was human trafficking.
As has been pointed out several times now though I was wrong
I'm sure I'm about to get a lecture on how some public executions are good and some are bad now

 

[davmat787]

These executions

I was referring to the execution of ISIS forces via military action. And I stand by that, ISIS disseminates videos of them executing captives for propaganda purposes, perhaps showing ISIS being turned into martyr paste courtesy of Hellfire missiles, 30mm rounds, and freedom inducing M4's will counter their propaganda.

If nothing else it will be a feel good show for those sickened with these murdering pedophile rapists, kind of like a Disney movie.

 

[davmat787]

I had said human trafficking was human trafficking.
As has been pointed out several times now though I was wrong
I'm sure I'm about to get a lecture on how some public executions are good and some are bad now

I'm not in favor of public executions of captives. Videos of military actions against forces like ISIS is a different story altogether in my opinion, not to glorify killing, but to glorify good over evil and perhaps make those considering joining to reconsider.

Many may consider this distasteful and I can respect that but I do feel otherwise.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I'm not in favor of public executions of captives. Videos of military actions against forces like ISIS is a different story altogether in my opinion, not to glorify killing, but to glorify good over evil and perhaps make those considering joining to reconsider.

Many may consider this distasteful and I can respect that but I do feel otherwise.

I like watching the docs etc about WW1+2, Korea, Nam
My grampa didn't like them or the buds who went to Nam
I have friends who used to like them but don't now since Afghanistan
War is a fucked up horrible thing

 

[davmat787]

I like watching the docs etc about WW1+2, Korea, Nam
My grampa didn't like them or the buds who went to Nam
I have friends who used to like them but don't now since Afghanistan
War is a fucked up horrible thing

The only true war documentary is from a soldiers helmet cam and unedited. Old timey war documentaries don't really convey the personal experience of war and were as much propaganda using clips approved by the war department than anything else.

A combat veteran is usually the biggest critic of war anyway, although they often miss the brotherhood, purpose, and adrenaline rush of combat.

 

[WelshBloke]

Videos of military actions against forces like ISIS is a different story altogether in my opinion, not to glorify killing, but to glorify good over evil...

You're always on dodgy ground when you profess to be killing people in the name of good.

That's the thinking that ISIS are using. They might not like it but they are going to kill all the evil people that disagree with their idea of goodness.

 

[davmat787]

You're always on dodgy ground when you profess to be killing people in the name of good.

That's the thinking that ISIS are using. They might not like it but they are going to kill all the evil people that disagree with their idea of goodness.

Very good point, thank you for stating it.

However in this case the killing of ISIS is to prevent them from continuing their wholesale slaughter and enslavement of religious minorities and even fellow Muslims in addition to preventing them of achieving their stated goals.

Only superior firepower and overwhelming military force will stop ISIS given their fanatical thinking and apocalyptic aspirations.

Taking the whole picture into account I'm extremely confident with the good vs. evil remark and the hope that each and every ISIS member is vaporized as quickly as possible.

If nothing else the amount of lives saved and brutality prevented and return to normalcy for millions dictate their destruction as the most humane course of action if one needs pragmatic reasons.

 

[Jaskalas]

I don't think the child slaves in America are better off in any way no matter how bad that makes "you" feel

And that is why there must be good men to enter the pits of hell and kill the slavers. In the United States those good men are the police and other authorities whose entire purpose is to protect the people from such atrocities.

If you want to play semantics to avoid the truth, you can say ISIS is not a state. But in the land they control the authorities are the slavers. You've spent far too much effort in failing the say the US is equivalent to that.

 

[davmat787]

And that is why there must be good men to enter the pits of hell and kill the slavers. In the United States those good men are the police and other authorities whose entire purpose is to protect the people from such atrocities.

If you want to play semantics to avoid the truth, you can say ISIS is not a state. But in the land they control the authorities are the slavers. You've spent far too much effort in failing the say the US is equivalent to that.

Good point, and not only do the police not protect the enslaved in ISIS controlled territory, the police themselves are ISIS and thus the enslaved. And their human trafficking is for enticing recruits and generating funds to grow ISIS and fund future brutality.

And while ISIS is not recognized as a sovereign state by the international community they themselves love to show the traits of a functional state they have implemented such as licensing, law enforcement, courts, utilities, and the like. While laughable to most, they are doing everything to show their legitimacy.

OGEarl has admitted there are indeed differences so continuing to pile it on him isn't exactly sporty, but I want to know why threads discussing brutality and crimes committed by Muslims always prompt the equivocating posts from Earl. I think overall he is fair otherwise.

 

[Orignal Earl]

You've spent far too much effort in failing the say the US is equivalent to that.

I have never said the US is equivalent to Daesh
Your idea of starving a city of 1.5 million so mil forces can walk in and take over is something they might consider though
The same with the posters who just want to nuke it all, there are no innocents to these posters

 

[TheGardener]

Very good point, thank you for stating it.

However in this case the killing of ISIS is to prevent them from continuing their wholesale slaughter and enslavement of religious minorities and even fellow Muslims in addition to preventing them of achieving their stated goals.

Only superior firepower and overwhelming military force will stop ISIS given their fanatical thinking and apocalyptic aspirations.

Taking the whole picture into account I'm extremely confident with the good vs. evil remark and the hope that each and every ISIS member is vaporized as quickly as possible.

If nothing else the amount of lives saved and brutality prevented and return to normalcy for millions dictate their destruction as the most humane course of action if one needs pragmatic reasons.

One has to wonder if future generations will condemn us for doing so [wiping them out]. Think of the decision to drop two A-bombs on Japan.

 

[davmat787]

I have never said the US is equivalent to Daesh
Your idea of starving a city of 1.5 million so mil forces can walk in and take over is something they might consider though
The same with the posters who just want to nuke it all, there are no innocents to these posters

Not sure your nuke it all comment is directed at me but the liquidation of ISIS that I favor is again in regards to targeted military action which of course would be done keeping civilian casualties to the absolute minimum.

Aren't you concerned about the countless civilian deaths and atrocities committed by ISIS and will only continue until they are stopped? Just seems odd to worry about civilian casualties by theoretical military action but not their deaths happening daily at the hands of ISIS first.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Not sure your nuke it all comment is directed at me but the liquidation of ISIS that I favor is again in regards to targeted military action which of course would be done keeping civilian casualties to the absolute minimum.

Aren't you concerned about the countless civilian deaths and atrocities committed by ISIS and will only continue until they are stopped? Just seems odd to worry about civilian casualties by theoretical military action but not their deaths happening daily at the hands of ISIS first.

Not directed at you, it's come up in several of the other Daesh threads
Of course Daesh has to go, killing everyone around them is not the way to do it
Are you guys reasoning that your doing good by giving them a quick death so you don't have to worry about it anymore?

 

[davmat787]

One has to wonder if future generations will condemn us for doing so [wiping them out]. Think of the decision to drop two A-bombs on Japan.

I'll take that risk gladly. And the decision to force Japan to surrender by dropping Fat Boy and Little Boy was done knowing the other option of a land invasion of Japan would have resulted in millions of civilian casualties.

One must remember the mentality, actually fanaticism, of a Japanese civilian in 1945 when judging the decision to use the bomb. Also one should use whatever intelligence was available in 1945 and remember the costs in blood and treasure already paid by liberating Europe and the defeat of Germany.

I'm personally confident the use of those two bombs was both the most expedient option and most humane in regards to total casualties in forcing the Japanese Emperor to surrender. He was incredibly isolated from the realities and often wasn't told just how dire his countries situation was. Something unprecedented was required, even the first bomb wasn't enough.

He was considered a god by the populace, and everyone was taught to die in his honor regardless of the odds.

 

[Orignal Earl]

One has to wonder if future generations will condemn us for doing so [wiping them out]. Think of the decision to drop two A-bombs on Japan.

We committed genocide against every living thing in Iraq because Daesh was executing people.
Ya, I have no doubt some people may condemn that

 

[Jaskalas]

Your idea of starving a city of 1.5 million so mil forces can walk in and take over is something they might consider though
The same with the posters who just want to nuke it all, there are no innocents to these posters

Let's tell the Jewish people we can't fight WW2... someone might get hurt.
Let's tell the African people we can't fight the Civil War... someone might get hurt.

Your notion that it's better to lay down before genocide and slavery is quite remarkable.

 

[davmat787]

Not directed at you, it's come up in several of the other Daesh threads
Of course Daesh has to go, killing everyone around them is not the way to do it
Are you guys reasoning that your doing good by giving them a quick death so you don't have to worry about it anymore?

Just to be clear I am not in favor of killing everyone around them too. My reasoning for wanting them dead as quickly as possible is that the atrocities and murders and enslavement they commit daily will cease once they are no longer.

Isn't that the most humanitarian option?

 

[Orignal Earl]

I'll take that risk gladly. And the decision to force Japan to surrender by dropping Fat Boy and Little Boy was done knowing the other option of a land invasion of Japan would have resulted in millions of civilian casualties.

One must remember the mentality, actually fanaticism, of a Japanese civilian in 1945 when judging the decision to use the bomb. Also one should use whatever intelligence was available in 1945 and remember the costs in blood and treasure already paid by liberating Europe and the defeat of Germany.

I'm personally confident the use of those two bombs was both the most expedient option and most humane in regards to total casualties in forcing the Japanese Emperor to surrender. He was incredibly isolated from the realities and often wasn't told just how dire his countries situation was. Something unprecedented was required, even the first bomb wasn't enough.

He was considered a god by the populace, and everyone was taught to die in his honor regardless of the odds.

That's what the propaganda films told us anyways right?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Just to be clear I am not in favor of killing everyone around them too. My reasoning for wanting them dead as quickly as possible is that the atrocities and murders and enslavement they commit daily will cease once they are no longer.

Isn't that the most humanitarian option?

That's why all the military forces involved are doing what they are doing.
This is as quick as it gets