Haven't we heard this story before?
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That was Assad, not IS.
Has Obama produced a sucessful intervention in the ME yet?
Or even a positive leaning one?
Has Obama produced a sucessful intervention in the ME yet?
Has Obama produced a sucessful intervention in the ME yet?
Or even a positive leaning one?
Has Obama produced a sucessful intervention in the ME yet?
Or even a positive leaning one?
Sooner or later there will be boots on the ground; mark my words. Unlike the late Wolfowitz neocon retard-o-rama in iraq * , ISIS behavior is fundamentally at odds with the values of civilized society and eventually the rest of the world will take them on. The parallels with Nazis are hard to ignore (/Goodwin's law).
* Why is that man not hung for treason is beyond me; you can be arrogant dogmatic jackass or you can be wrong. If you're both, you need to face consequences as that's the risk you take.
Has Obama produced a sucessful intervention in the ME yet?
Or even a positive leaning one?
Sooner or later there will be boots on the ground; mark my words. Unlike the late Wolfowitz neocon retard-o-rama in iraq * , ISIS behavior is fundamentally at odds with the values of civilized society and eventually the rest of the world will take them on. The parallels with Nazis are hard to ignore (/Goodwin's law).
* Why is that man not hung for treason is beyond me; you can be arrogant dogmatic jackass or you can be wrong. If you're both, you need to face consequences as that's the risk you take.
If you mean US or Europe boots, it won't help. They'll just scream we invade their countries like the dirty crusaders we are. Then they will hide and wait till we leave again. Just like it happened in Afghanistan.
If you mean Middle-Eastern boots, fat chance. The ME countries see IS as a possibily to reach their own geopolitical goals rather than a ME muslim problem that must be solved.
Fex. Turkey so called fighting IS but in reality bombing the Kurds who are actually fighting IS. Or Saudi-Arabia bombing Houthi rebels in Yemen, the same ones who are actually fighting Al-Qaida. While in reality it's a geopolitical struggle between sunni SA and shia Iran. And for what, some stupid influence in one of the poorest countries on earth?
Actually, I don't see any solution at all. Reform in Islam seems further away than ever, despite living in the 21st century. Democratic reforms in the Arabic world are also still far away, as the Arabian Spring turned Winter has shown us. There is no free press, no freedom of opinion, huge illiteracy and no democratic tradition.
The only hope I have is of the younger generation slowly moving more towards Western values, helped by information on the Internet. That, or wait till they run out of oil.
The United States has done its part, these past 12 years, at ensuring we arrive at this point.
How do we proceed, do we ignore our own creation, do we tell the Middle East to solve its own problems? Maybe that's why we're backing Iran in an economic and nuclear deal. Establish a strong rival to ISIS and let the cards fall where they may.
- The birth of ISIS was the inevitable result of Bush's Iraq war.
- The collapse of Syria was preventable if Obama wasn't more interested in destabilizing it and arming terrorist groups.
Though, am I the only one concerned that WMD enabled terrorists do not stay trapped in their hellhole, and that they find passage through our open border?
Also... I'm sure the United States would be among the first to decry the atrocities required to subdue ISIS and restore peace to the region. Many people are going to die, and I have little doubt we'll actively oppose the necessary actions undertaken by local governments. Such as our condemnation of Syria's Assad, America seems more interested in keeping the conflict active and the terrorists armed than putting an end to all this.
Just whose side are we on anyway?
They have oil, they could have been a prosperous democracy. But all the shia-minority government was concerned about was how to suppres the sunni-majority. No wonder their state fell apart.
If you mean US or Europe boots, it won't help. They'll just scream we invade their countries like the dirty crusaders we are. Then they will hide and wait till we leave again. Just like it happened in Afghanistan.
If you mean Middle-Eastern boots, fat chance. The ME countries see IS as a possibily to reach their own geopolitical goals rather than a ME muslim problem that must be solved.
Fex. Turkey so called fighting IS but in reality bombing the Kurds who are actually fighting IS. Or Saudi-Arabia bombing Houthi rebels in Yemen, the same ones who are actually fighting Al-Qaida. While in reality it's a geopolitical struggle between sunni SA and shia Iran. And for what, some stupid influence in one of the poorest countries on earth?
Actually, I don't see any solution at all. Reform in Islam seems further away than ever, despite living in the 21st century. Democratic reforms in the Arabic world are also still far away, as the Arabian Spring turned Winter has shown us. There is no free press, no freedom of opinion, huge illiteracy and no democratic tradition.
The only hope I have is of the younger generation slowly moving more towards Western values, helped by information on the Internet. That, or wait till they run out of oil.
The Shia outnumber the Sunni in Iraq about 2:1.
Stop making sense!
Bomb them! Bomb them!
See? Isn't that easier?
There's also a large amount of guys from my country fighting on ISIS side. If they return they get housing and a government allowance, out of fear that they might commit acts of terror otherwise (don't worry, they also have to take part in a deradicalization-traject).