Islam needs a Reformation. It needs someone with the courage of Martin Luther.

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Deudalus
He will be dead in a week

Exactly, this plague of militant Islam is spreading by the sword, and killing anyone who legitimately opposes it. In a war you respond to your enemy with war, not flowers. The time to make peace is after they are forced to surrender their bloodbath, anyone who tries before then will simply die.

 

[Moonbeam]

It used to be that the delusional paranoid among us had Communists under their bed. Osama must have been to them like manna from heaven.

"Oh, our fears are real, you just don't understand. You uninfected normal people are just blind. Please, please listen to me and my fear. It's how I hope to make myself important."

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It used to be that the delusional paranoid among us had Communists under their bed. Osama must have been to them like manna from heaven.

"Oh, our fears are real, you just don't understand. You uninfected normal people are just blind. Please, please listen to me and my fear. It's how I hope to make myself important."

It's easy to play the communism card, how about you sing this tune of Germans and Japanese? It was insanity after all, which must have driven us to respond to acts of war from them.

You've a dove moonbeam, waiting for the slaughter by anyone who simply strolls along.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It used to be that the delusional paranoid among us had Communists under their bed. Osama must have been to them like manna from heaven.

"Oh, our fears are real, you just don't understand. You uninfected normal people are just blind. Please, please listen to me and my fear. It's how I hope to make myself important."

It's easy to play the communism card, how about you sing this tune of Germans and Japanese? It was insanity after all, which must have driven us to respond to acts of war from them.

You've a dove moonbeam, waiting for the slaughter by anyone who simply strolls along.

So true, we should be putting Muslims in internment camps like our sane forefathers did.

 

[Lemon law]

Now there is an idea---lets put 1.4 billion Moslem's in internment camps along with 1.4 billion Christians. And we get a world with 2.8 billion less crazy and violent people.
I feel safer already.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Except the bible teaches that god is good, the koran doesn't, so it's hard to be true to the koran and teach peace.

Prepare to be flamed by people who know nothing about Islam or Christianity.

HAHA

I laugh at both of you.

What is your education level? Post it or prepare to be flamed.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Except the bible teaches that god is good, the koran doesn't, so it's hard to be true to the koran and teach peace.

Prepare to be flamed by people who know nothing about Islam or Christianity.

HAHA

I laugh at both of you.

What is your education level? Post it or prepare to be flamed.

Like I havent told you before? I just graduated from Seminary 1 year ago.

What is your education level? Post it or prepare to be flamed.

 

[Lemon law]

Hold on---we have a serious question here---which is more violent document?---the Christian Bible---Or the Islamic Koran?

And immediately we also have to decide if this is a scientific question--or a religious faith question like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? But if its just going to be an unanswerable religious faith question, lets table the question right now--the question can't be answered in a forum like Anand tech.

But if we decide its a scientific type question---we have to ask in what ways can the questions be asked and quantified so we can measure the violence quotients of either within the documents themselves.

Or you can seek to answer the question without directly referring to either document--by measuring the bloody behavior of the respective people who profess to religion under their banners---and worship their God in their respective churches and Mosques---and then watch how violently they behave as they go out into the larger world and interact with their fellow humans.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Hold on---we have a serious question here---which is more violent document?---the Christian Bible---Or the Islamic Koran?

And immediately we also have to decide if this is a scientific question--or a religious faith question like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? But if its just going to be an unanswerable religious faith question, lets table the question right now--the question can't be answered in a forum like Anand tech.

But if we decide its a scientific type question---we have to ask in what ways can the questions be asked and quantified so we can measure the violence quotients of either within the documents themselves.

Or you can seek to answer the question without directly referring to either document--by measuring the bloody behavior of the respective people who profess to religion under their banners---and worship their God in their respective churches and Mosques---and then watch how violently they behave as they go out into the larger world and interact with their fellow humans.

Forget the semantic games of faith vs. science for a moment and answer this:

Of the following, which religion currently has a violent, fanatical, growing minority, that is threatening the lives of every American man, woman, and child?
A) Islam
B) Christianity
C) Buddhism
D) none of the above because I refuse to admit that someone besides Bush is to blame for the problems in the world.

---<Insert the theme from Jeopardy here>---

 

[Lemon law]

Of the following, which religion currently has a violent, fanatical, growing minority, that is threatening the lives of every American man, woman, and child?
A) Islam
B) Christianity
C) Buddhism
D) none of the above because I refuse to admit that someone besides Bush is to blame for the problems in the world.

---<Insert the theme from Jeopardy here>---



-------------------------
-palehorse-
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

Palehorse 1974, Just listening to your deeds and posts---I am immediately inclined to say B---but then again--you claim to be something other than a Christian so the answer is not so clear.

But if you look at 911---less than 3000 people died in the USA---and in Iraq---we have lost now over 3600 US soldiers--and in the process who knows how many totally innocent Iraqi civilians have become collateral damage---but the figures vary all over the place on Iraqi civilians---but some place it around 67,000---other studies based on scientific methodologies have placed a high range figure of 800,000---and thats a dated figure and a year old.----and we also don't know how many are killed by our army composed of mostly Christian soldiers or by various insurgent groups mostly composed of mostly adherent's of the Moslim faith.---but as Ted Rall points out---these formerly living people
would mostly be alive today if GWB had not decided to depose Saddam---and in the grand scheme of things has now caused more Iraqi's to die than Saddam ever did.

But even if the box score is only 70,600 vs. less than 3000---sounds to me like Choice A Islam is taking a real drubbing here.---and the born again Christian W---which is choice B
is way way ahead in the box scores---and continues to pad his lead--its like no contest

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Of the following, which religion currently has a violent, fanatical, growing minority, that is threatening the lives of every American man, woman, and child?
A) Islam
B) Christianity
C) Buddhism
D) none of the above because I refuse to admit that someone besides Bush is to blame for the problems in the world.

---<Insert the theme from Jeopardy here>---



-------------------------
-palehorse-
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

Palehorse 1974, Just listening to your deeds and posts---I am immediately inclined to say B---but then again--you claim to be something other than a Christian so the answer is not so clear.

But if you look at 911---less than 3000 people died in the USA---and in Iraq---we have lost now over 3600 US soldiers--and in the process who knows how many totally innocent Iraqi civilians have become collateral damage---but the figures vary all over the place on Iraqi civilians---but some place it around 67,000---other studies based on scientific methodologies have placed a high range figure of 800,000---and thats a dated figure and a year old.----and we also don't know how many are killed by our army composed of mostly Christian soldiers or by various insurgent groups mostly composed of mostly adherent's of the Moslim faith.---but as Ted Rall points out---these formerly living people
would mostly be alive today if GWB had not decided to depose Saddam---and in the grand scheme of things has now caused more Iraqi's to die than Saddam ever did.

But even if the box score is only 70,600 vs. less than 3000---sounds to me like Choice A Islam is taking a real drubbing here.---and the born again Christian W---which is choice B
is way way ahead in the box scores---and continues to pad his lead--its like no contest

So you ended up coming full circle to option D... how very predictable and ridiculous.

How does that sand taste?

 

[Lemon law]

Palehorse1974---I don't know where you get---So you ended up coming full circle to option D... how very predictable and ridiculous.

Pardon me---don't put words in my mouth---NO, I don't choose your option D. But at least I have a unbiased means to quantify the question.

If you have a different choice--please post what you think the box score is and the methods you used in scorekeeping!

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Hold on---we have a serious question here---which is more violent document?---the Christian Bible---Or the Islamic Koran?

And immediately we also have to decide if this is a scientific question--or a religious faith question like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? But if its just going to be an unanswerable religious faith question, lets table the question right now--the question can't be answered in a forum like Anand tech.

But if we decide its a scientific type question---we have to ask in what ways can the questions be asked and quantified so we can measure the violence quotients of either within the documents themselves.

Or you can seek to answer the question without directly referring to either document--by measuring the bloody behavior of the respective people who profess to religion under their banners---and worship their God in their respective churches and Mosques---and then watch how violently they behave as they go out into the larger world and interact with their fellow humans.

Forget the semantic games of faith vs. science for a moment and answer this:

Of the following, which religion currently has a violent, fanatical, growing minority, that is threatening the lives of every American man, woman, and child?
A) Islam
B) Christianity
C) Buddhism
D) none of the above because I refuse to admit that someone besides Bush is to blame for the problems in the world.

---<Insert the theme from Jeopardy here>---

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say A

 

[Termagant]

I just bought stock in Depends Adult Diapers, after seeing so many panty-wetters!

Duct tape up your farmhouse windows, the brownskin men are coming!

 

[Lemon law]

To Sinsear---who says--I'm gonna go out on a limb and say A

No one objects to you going out on a limb---what we all object to is not having a clue how you choose or why---which does not say anything positive about your credibility
or reasoning ability.

If you even believe there is a correct answer to what amounts to a four choice multiple choice question---right away by random chance you have a 25% chance of being right and a 75% chance of being wrong----but given the reasoning ability you have posted---its really hard to tell what you stand for---and even harder to believe anything you say.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
To Sinsear---who says--I'm gonna go out on a limb and say A

No one objects to you going out on a limb---what we all object to is not having a clue how you choose or why---which does not say anything positive about your credibility
or reasoning ability.

If you even believe there is a correct answer to what amounts to a four choice multiple choice question---right away by random chance you have a 25% chance of being right and a 75% chance of being wrong----but given the reasoning ability you have posted---its really hard to tell what you stand for---and even harder to believe anything you say.

It's fairly obvious in most of my posts where I stand; hence I'm going with the only obvious answer. The group who is hell bent on ruling the world under their Islamist Law.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Hold on---we have a serious question here---which is more violent document?---the Christian Bible---Or the Islamic Koran?

And immediately we also have to decide if this is a scientific question--or a religious faith question like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? But if its just going to be an unanswerable religious faith question, lets table the question right now--the question can't be answered in a forum like Anand tech.

But if we decide its a scientific type question---we have to ask in what ways can the questions be asked and quantified so we can measure the violence quotients of either within the documents themselves.

Or you can seek to answer the question without directly referring to either document--by measuring the bloody behavior of the respective people who profess to religion under their banners---and worship their God in their respective churches and Mosques---and then watch how violently they behave as they go out into the larger world and interact with their fellow humans.

Forget the semantic games of faith vs. science for a moment and answer this:

Of the following, which religion currently has a violent, fanatical, growing minority, that is threatening the lives of every American man, woman, and child?
A) Islam
B) Christianity
C) Buddhism
D) none of the above because I refuse to admit that someone besides Bush is to blame for the problems in the world.

---<Insert the theme from Jeopardy here>---

Of the following, which religion currently has a violent, fanatical, gunghoe, nationbuilding president that has both invaded two Islamic Nations,and caused the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians.
A] Christian
B] Christian
C] Christian
D] Christian

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Except the bible teaches that god is good, the koran doesn't, so it's hard to be true to the koran and teach peace.

Prepare to be flamed by people who know nothing about Islam or Christianity.

HAHA

I laugh at both of you.

What is your education level? Post it or prepare to be flamed.

Like I havent told you before? I just graduated from Seminary 1 year ago.

What is your education level? Post it or prepare to be flamed.

& you graduated in what?

Mr. Expert

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It used to be that the delusional paranoid among us had Communists under their bed. Osama must have been to them like manna from heaven.

"Oh, our fears are real, you just don't understand. You uninfected normal people are just blind. Please, please listen to me and my fear. It's how I hope to make myself important."

It's easy to play the communism card, how about you sing this tune of Germans and Japanese? It was insanity after all, which must have driven us to respond to acts of war from them.

You've a dove moonbeam, waiting for the slaughter by anyone who simply strolls along.

I would argue that the braver man is the one who is willing to RATIONALLY face the myriad threats of modern life without losing his damn head all the time. The reason it's easy to play the communism card is because it is the perfect example of what happens when irrational cowards are willing to do anything to feel safe. And the treatment of Japanese during WWII doesn't exactly help your case, we made war against the Japanese who threatened us, but we also made war against those who posed no threat at all. Whether it's the Red Scare of imprisoning innocent Japanese Americans because we were at war with Japan, people who react like you do to problems inevitably make them worse. It isn't being dovish to suggest our reaction to threats should be reasonable and proportional, and directed against those individual who actually pose a threat.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Aimster
& you graduated in what?

Mr. Expert

I'll tell you right after your post your academic achievements!

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Aimster
& you graduated in what?

Mr. Expert

I'll tell you right after your post your academic achievements!

yeah your degree has nothing to do with Islam.

so how did you learn?
Exactly.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
To Sinsear---who says--I'm gonna go out on a limb and say A

No one objects to you going out on a limb---what we all object to is not having a clue how you choose or why---which does not say anything positive about your credibility
or reasoning ability.

If you even believe there is a correct answer to what amounts to a four choice multiple choice question---right away by random chance you have a 25% chance of being right and a 75% chance of being wrong----but given the reasoning ability you have posted---its really hard to tell what you stand for---and even harder to believe anything you say.

Would you care to borrow a shovel Lemon? It's gettin' pretty deep...

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Except the bible teaches that god is good, the koran doesn't, so it's hard to be true to the koran and teach peace.

Prepare to be flamed by people who know nothing about Islam or Christianity.

HAHA

I laugh at both of you.

What is your education level? Post it or prepare to be flamed.

Like I havent told you before? I just graduated from Seminary 1 year ago.

What is your education level? Post it or prepare to be flamed.

& you graduated in what?

Mr. Expert

Actually I find this entire thing silly xD

Every Surah in the Quran starts out with the single sentence preface (if you don't believe me and refuse to look at a Quran yourself, ask Palehorse as he said he had read and studied the Quran) :

Bssm Allah Al Rahman al Raheem
In the name of God, the most gracious the most merciful

Then again that alone isn't an explicit "God is Good" statement...although this stuff does go hand in hand...

but if you've read the Quran there are statements near ad nauseum about how good God is.

I may not be a Christian, but I'm not delusional about how Christianity doesn't teach that God is good. And you may (well, clearly are not) a Muslim - but don't brainwash yourself to thinking that the Quran doesn't teach that God is good~

Else perhaps the "west's" (And I quote that word as those who love to emphasize that they are the west) perception of Islam is a bigger problem than previously thought, especially if they think that Muslims apparently worship a God that we are taught is not a good God...talk about satanism "to the MAX"... as well as "misunderstanding to the MAX"

 

[Lemon law]

To palehorse74---who has the gaul to ask---Would you care to borrow a shovel Lemon? It's gettin' pretty deep...

Its only getting pretty deep if you are a mental midget or unwilling to engage in honest thought---Its a valid question and we just need valid means to examine the question---and since you can't seem to evade or propagandize your way out of the question--or reason your way out of a paper bag---you come up with deflections as a smokescreen.

But that is the serious beloved patriot in neocon armor--they must somehow prove that they---the neocons-- are the good guys---and the people they are invading are the bad guys.
When only a tiny few of the other side are evil---and our neocons on balance are more numerous than the other side's evil ones and at least as evil----and our neocons manage to get far more innocent people killed.

Now how in the world does that make us the good guys?---when two wrongs don't make a right.---and by all reports--Al-Quida is now stronger not because we are weak or have failed to try to fight Al-Quida--but because we are so inept and are angering everyone with our arrogance.--and that only aids Al-Quida. And we can also now note--our Iraqi
occupation has weakened us and helped Al-Quida---and is exactly a failed strategy that continues to get worse as time goes on.

I can understand that someone like palehorse74 sincerely believes they are doing good--but when the unbiased results show otherwise--maybe we can reason together and
come up with something smarter if we all start thinking of objective ways to objectively measure progress rather than spouting unrealistic optimism or slogans---and once we can measure honestly measure things, then we can have a common language.

But if we are going to even share a common goal--like a overall reduction in international terrorism as a example---then those with that common goal should be totally appalled at
the results we are getting in Iraq.---and hence start seeking different strategies that are more likely to produce better results than our neocons are producing.

As one posters signature line goes--its the difference between stupid and smart.

 

[johnnobts]

yeah, look out, I'm a fundamentalist Christian. I may love you to death. I'm just as bad as fundamentalist Muslims these days.