Isnt DOOM3 a failure???

[sandorski]

<<<< Waiting to find Doom 3 in the Bargain Bin.

 

[DoughKey]

What I don't get is all the people who are pissed off because Doom is too dark. Did you people completely miss the point of the game? IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DARK. Your first clue should be the inclusion of the flash light, used commonly by non-morons to illuminate dark areas.

I think Doom 3 is a worthly successor to one and two. It's also the first game that has ever managed to scare me even in the slightest. I find myself weary about entering certain rooms in the game because I know something is going to happen, I love that.

-D

 

[Jeff7181]

Why would I need "bink" videos when I own, and play, the game? Can you be a little more specific?

The videos he posted demonstrating "live" ragdoll effects as well as "dead" ragdoll effects as well as the lighting compared to Far Cry.

Jeff, what's your problem? You need to start respecting other's opinions man.

As you pointed out so well in the post just after this one, he b!tches and moans about how much it sucks, but doesn't give any real explanation as to WHY... WHY does the engine suck? Are we just supposed to trust him that it does?

He obviously doesn't understand what Doom 3 is all about, and he obviously is trying to start a flamewar, whether he admits it or not. You don't start a thread and call it "Isn't Doom 3 a failure?" unless your intentions are malicious. He could have said "I don't see the big deal about Doom3" or "Why is Doom 3 considered better than other games?"
"Isn't Doom 3 a failure" sounds as if he's trying to recruit fellow Doom 3 haters to get together and be like "Doom 3 sucks man" "yeah, it blows" "hell yeah man, the physics are teh suxxors!" "Far Cry's physics are much better" "true dat!"

 

[draazeejs]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

But you started in with saying the engine sux. Why dont you tell us why the engine sux.
And may I ask what exactly you are trying to accomplish here? You cant compare the Painkiller, FarCry,Doom3 engines with each other. They are different engines thick one.

And who were you before you were draazeejs?

I simply do not understand why all the headlines are full with that DOOM3 crap, even computer buyer guides etc., you know...
Why the engine sux? Because I do see the awesome bad performance, but do not see any visual advantages, besides everything being shiny
There are many games that look awesome compared to D3, but they did not earn a 1/100th of that attention.
I think people are kind of brainwashed with all that id and D3 crap.
I do not try to accomplish anything here, but, please, just explain me that superiority of D3, so far nobody has been able to say a word abou it, just like - WOW, D3 is COOOL, if you do not like it, you must be stupid etc.
Lets just look objectively on things...

 

[Regs]

In my opinion the level design of Painkliller, the characters etc., was just 100% better.

I stopped reading after that.


If you like going though inconsistent fun house like levels shooting at the same enemy 100 times over, cool. The only thing Painkiller has over Doom is the weapons. And that actually is sad since D3 was in development for 4 years and they are still stuck with the same weapons. It's like they got some sick fascination with the weapons from each game to the next. How much to they have to pay those guys to design new weapons? It's just unbelievable. I want some weapon mods.

 

[mb]

Originally posted by: draazeejs
Well, I do not understand all that hype behind that DOOM 3. I was expecting something new

I stopped reading right there. THAT is your problem. There were no promises of anything new besides the graphics, why would you expect other wise? Did you think they were going to change the DOOM formula just for you? Boo hoo!

 

[DoughKey]

Originally posted by: draazeejs

Lets just look objectively on things...

Me personally, I love the game. However, I can understand why some wouldn't like it. Everyone has different tastes and thats just fine. The great thing is that there are so many titles coming out these days that none of us has time to play them all and because of that we can be a little picky with our favorites. If someone is used to games like CS and FarCry I can see how Doom 3 would be a little different for them. It's an FPS just like CS and FarCry but thats about where the similarities end.

Doom 3 is more calculated and slow moving than those others but that is by design. It's intent is to scare the player and maintain a high level of suspense.

-D

 

[Megatomic]

Originally posted by: sandorski
<<<< Waiting to find Doom 3 in the Bargain Bin.

When it's <= $30 I'll buy my copy. I just can't see paying $50 for a game right now.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: draazeejs

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

But you started in with saying the engine sux. Why dont you tell us why the engine sux.
And may I ask what exactly you are trying to accomplish here? You cant compare the Painkiller, FarCry,Doom3 engines with each other. They are different engines thick one.

And who were you before you were draazeejs?

I simply do not understand why all the headlines are full with that DOOM3 crap, even computer buyer guides etc., you know...
Why the engine sux? Because I do see the awesome bad performance, but do not see any visual advantages, besides everything being shiny
There are many games that look awesome compared to D3, but they did not earn a 1/100th of that attention.
I think people are kind of brainwashed with all that id and D3 crap.
I do not try to accomplish anything here, but, please, just explain me that superiority of D3, so far nobody has been able to say a word abou it, just like - WOW, D3 is COOOL, if you do not like it, you must be stupid etc.
Lets just look objectively on things...

Well, if you think Doom3 is a failure, that is great. That is the beauty of free will. When I first tried the FarCry Demo, I didn't like it and thought it a bit cartoonish. I waited for FarCry to become available "used" so I could get it cheaper because I wanted to give the Full Game a try. I was pleasantly surprised.

However, there has never, ever, existed a game that absolutely scared the hell out of me. The suspense, chills and tension levels are extremely high. Carmack wanted to immerse Doom3 players. The darkness, perfect sounds, the creeps. If that was his intention, I'd say Doom3 is one of the first games to hit the mark for what it was intended to be. A scary, scary game.

My friend and I bought D3 at the same time and we talk about it as if it were a real experience and about how creepy and scary it was.

Turn out all your lights late at night when everyone is asleep. and play it. If you don't get creeped out, your not human.

 

[CVSiN]

I have the same system you have.. but i have a much better vid card than you and D3 looks and plays amazing at 1600x1280 in high and Ultra with everything turned on and 4x AA and 4XAF and I dont get lag at all..
i dont even get lag when hosting MP Games while I play..
I dunno what you were expecting but D3 is amazing.. the grafics are far from shiney on my card..
its very dark with lots of lighting tricks.. and its very creepy.. amazing engine..
the location reminds me of what Aliens felt like in the movie.. very dark very advanced culture lots fo metal darkness and impending evil..

 

[JBT]

I'm not even close to done with the game I play probably an hour a night though not every night... So far I think the game rocks. To bad a few here and there don't but most do thats why they made the game.

 

[draazeejs]

Originally posted by: Regs

I stopped reading after that.


If you like going though inconsistent fun house like levels shooting at the same enemy 100 times over, cool. The only thing Painkiller has over Doom is the weapons. And that actually is sad since D3 was in development for 4 years and they are still stuck with the same weapons...

I have difficulties seing how is D3 superior in this sense??? Arent you also going around and shooting exactly the same monsters over and over again??? How many different monsters are there in D3??? Not too many, right?
And in Painkiller, at least, the big bastards were designed just excellent, no other game had it before. And also the characters are unique - the zombies throwing dead meat at you, skeletons, assembling themselves from bones etc. Dead man walking on the ceiling?
Just tell me, how is D3 SO different in this regard.
OK, D3 is scary, I agree.
In the beginning everyone said, it is not the game, it is the engine that is great, now, when I ask a direct question, what is so great about the engine, wht havent we seen already in other games - NOBODY has answered yet.
Instead, now the answer is - the game is great, it is SCARY. So far scariness is the only new thing I have been able to pick out from the comments...
Just curious, you know, and it does not seem that D3 is 100x better, but it did get a credit of being 100x better.

 

[JackBurton]

I think D3 is GREAT! WTF is up with people complaining that it's too dark? It's SUPPOSED to be dark!

 

[DarkKnight]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

However, there has never, ever, existed a game that absolutely scared the hell out of me. The suspense, chills and tension levels are extremely high. Carmack wanted to immerse Doom3 players. The darkness, perfect sounds, the creeps. If that was his intention, I'd say Doom3 is one of the first games to hit the mark for what it was intended to be. A scary, scary game.

My friend and I bought D3 at the same time and we talk about it as if it were a real experience and about how creepy and scary it was.

Turn out all your lights late at night when everyone is asleep. and play it. If you don't get creeped out, your not human.

I fully agree, Doom3 is the scariest game I've ever played. When I play in the dark with 5.1 sound, I'm nervous the whole time because I don't know whether there's a zombie hiding in the shadows or when a demon is gonna teleport behind me. The sound and the shadows make the atmosphere great. Alot of people have complained about the scripted sequences but I find that those are the most interesting parts of the game. Remember when you first see pinky? While it was banging on the door infront of me I had never been so scared in my life. This the best single player game ID has ever made.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: draazeejs

Originally posted by: Regs

I stopped reading after that.


If you like going though inconsistent fun house like levels shooting at the same enemy 100 times over, cool. The only thing Painkiller has over Doom is the weapons. And that actually is sad since D3 was in development for 4 years and they are still stuck with the same weapons...

I have difficulties seing how is D3 superior in this sense??? Arent you also going around and shooting exactly the same monsters over and over again??? How many different monsters are there in D3??? Not too many, right?
And in Painkiller, at least, the big bastards were designed just excellent, no other game had it before. And also the characters are unique - the zombies throwing dead meat at you, skeletons, assembling themselves from bones etc. Dead man walking on the ceiling?
Just tell me, how is D3 SO different in this regard.
OK, D3 is scary, I agree.
In the beginning everyone said, it is not the game, it is the engine that is great, now, when I ask a direct question, what is so great about the engine, wht havent we seen already in other games - NOBODY has answered yet.
Instead, now the answer is - the game is great, it is SCARY. So far scariness is the only new thing I have been able to pick out from the comments...
Just curious, you know, and it does not seem that D3 is 100x better, but it did get a credit of being 100x better.

Something reeks agenda here.

 

[SneakyStuff]

This post should be locked, and deleted, it serves NO POINT, just do a search for another post, made by another whiney person, on why he or she didn't like the game. That's life, tough. I loved the game.

 

[Boogak]

It does get very repetitive but the graphics engine is incredible. I played the game up to Delta Labs 3 (about 3/4 way thru) until I got bored and turned on god mode so I could just see the rest of the game. The Hell level is incredible, if the rest of the game was similar to that, it would've been best game EVAR!

 

[Insomniak]

I enjoy D3 greatly, primarily because of the atmosphere. The combination of the audio and visual portions along with the massive scripting really make the world seem alive.

The only nitpick I have is the secret door method. If you're going to go to the trouble of putting secret doors in your hallway, just put an air vent there and have the baddie pop out of it...or drop in through a cieling panel. They do so at many points in the game, and it works so much better, I don't see why they bother with the doors at all...

 

[Genx87]

Super-boring gameplay, beginning was just a bad copy of HL1,

I dont own the game yet but it sounds like the story line is very close to Doom1. And in case you forgot about this. Doom 1 came out 5 years before HL1.

 

[Luthien]

You can get it for as little as $40 now if you know how. I posted how when it first came out and again later on. Might be too late now but your loss. I have not played it yet but I know it must be scary because my brother has it and he said at least 3 times it made him jump and his son who is 10 years old is too afraid to play it he got so scared!

 

[draazeejs]

Originally posted by: SneakyStuff
This post should be locked, and deleted, it serves NO POINT, just do a search for another post, made by another whiney person, on why he or she didn't like the game. That's life, tough. I loved the game.

Yeah, and all the homosexuals should be shot, they can not reproduce anyway...
If you are not one of us, you must be against us.
See, I do not really care, it is just a game, so, please, donot get sooo excited, and nervous.

 

[apoppin]

dp

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: draazeejs
OK, I do not see really anything particular in this engine. To me both the indoor and outdoor scenes in FarCry
look by far much better. And the game need such dramatic system specs that it is just a joke for most users.
The same FarCry, for example, is a demanding game, but the Doom3 stutters every time I try to open a door etc.
And do not think I have the worst computer for today: A64 3000+, R9800 Pro.
I think in most of the cases the engine story is also blown up just because Carmack did it, so, it means - it MUST be good.
But what is the really big deal for us-players, if the games without this "fabulous" engine look better and run better???
I am sure HL2 will be a much better game and nowadays you can not impress anyone by shiny surfaces everywhere and stuff...
The game scenario and artwork is what matters. I think not so many people really care about those hyper-dynamic
shadows. In real life the lamps do not wobblw forth and back all the time, like they do in Doom 3. I got an impression that the game
just circles around all those new features, just to show - wow, we can do it, even if it does not make sense.

Is this suitable for GH or Software forum? (where there are SEVERAL 'Doom is crappy' threads)

it looks like there is something WRONG with your system if it stutters - or else TURN DOWN the DETAILS . . . my P4 @ 3.3Ghz does NOT stutter with my 9800XT - 10x7 HiQ 2xAA/8xAF.

:roll:


gotta agree, the game play is banal, predictable and the few "innovations" (i.e. PDA/going "online for MartianBuddy") SUCK . . . it is a pretty $44 benchmark and a "fair/OK" game.

What did you EXPECT (considering the earlier Dooms)?



:roll:

 

[mb]

Ya know, I wonder people are going to be b!tching when HL2 comes out. "It took THIS long for THIS!?!?! OMGWTF!!!!" This isn't what I expected!"
Then the 100 threads a day about if it will run on a certain computer...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: draazeejs

Originally posted by: SneakyStuff
This post should be locked, and deleted, it serves NO POINT, just do a search for another post, made by another whiney person, on why he or she didn't like the game. That's life, tough. I loved the game.

Yeah, and all the homosexuals should be shot, they can not reproduce anyway...
If you are not one of us, you must be against us.
See, I do not really care, it is just a game, so, please, donot get sooo excited, and nervous.

I don't think you can get your way in here with psychological inuendo. Not very effective.