Israel bombs Syria!

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Yay! WWIII's gonna start soon!!!! I feel sorry for those of you who don't know the L-rd. Be prepared for unimaginable horrors for the rest of your days.

I can assure you that nothing is going to happen as an outcome of this move.

YOU CAN SEE THE FUTURE!!!?? That's amazing!
Nothing in this world is 100% certain. NOTHING (with the exception of the word of the L-rd). It may not be this move that leads to WWIII but it's just one in a series that are leading the world down that road.

Mind you, I live in Israel and I had lunch a month ago in the same restaurant that was hit yesterday, and I still don't think that the end result would be the breakout of a WW3.

This means absolutely nothing. Look at all the mindless sheeple in America that don't have a clue. I'm not implying you're a sheep, just that living in a country doesn't mean you know its future

I agree, but having the ability to monitor the conflict so closely, does give me a certain "advantage" over you...

This is for ThePresence: "Dvarim shero-im michan, lo ro-im misham"

Elohim gives me all the insight I need

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Yay! WWIII's gonna start soon!!!! I feel sorry for those of you who don't know the L-rd. Be prepared for unimaginable horrors for the rest of your days.

Who is this L-rd of which you speak? If you refer to the Bible, it states 'there are many gods and many L-rds'.

Elohim or adonay is simply "lord" or "god".
Can we have a personal name please?

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Yay! WWIII's gonna start soon!!!! I feel sorry for those of you who don't know the L-rd. Be prepared for unimaginable horrors for the rest of your days.

Who is this L-rd of which you speak? If you refer to the Bible, it states 'there are many gods and many L-rds'.

Elohim or adonay is simply "lord" or "god".
Can we have a personal name please?

I've gone over this countless times in this forum and in ATOT. Do a search.
I use Elohim for just that reason - it is not a personal name of G-d. It is simply "the name."

 

[mrCide]

oh god.

should i start typing out some arabic for you folks? give it a rest. PM each other or something

 

[Flyermax2k3]

Originally posted by: mrCide
oh god.

should i start typing out some arabic for you folks? give it a rest. PM each other or something

Go right ahead. If you don't like it, don't read it.

 

[mrCide]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: mrCide
oh god.

should i start typing out some arabic for you folks? give it a rest. PM each other or something

Go right ahead. If you don't like it, don't read it.

i'd rather express my displeasure with it, but thanks for the note

 

[billy2003]

its about time and long overdue, what do you expect after more than 100 terrorist bombing on israeli civilian in the last three years..just sit back?

 

[mrCide]

Originally posted by: billy2003
its about time and long overdue, what do you expect after more than 100 terrorist bombing on israeli civilian in the last three years..just sit back?

i guess you missed the news about how they send off rockets into apartment buildings, killing children, random innocent people.. in addition the the bulldozing of houses, expanding on illegal settlements, and building a fence into land they have no right to touch.

 

[oLLie]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: AnImuS
Good. If certain countries dont want to end terrorism then others have no choice but to do it themselfs. Nothing will happen militarily to israel the only thing syria would do is go to the UN and US will veto.

Or turn out more suicide bombers.

What are they supposed to do? Nothing? Just sit back and watch their fellow citizens get blown up? If the Palestinians wanted their own state, the government would at least made a half-assed effort to halt the terror attacks. But because there aren't even half-assed attempts, it's obvious that they never wanted their own state, only the destruction of Israel.

 

[BOBDN]

The Israelis and Palestinians are going to continue blowing each other up until there is no one left to blow up or forever, whichever comes first.

IMO forever will come first.

 

[BOBDN]

Pretty funny. After building up a case to invade Iraq based on lies Bush is now asking Sharon not to increase tensions in the region.

That, as the saying goes, is priceless.

More info on the Israeli bombing in Syria from the NY Times.

U.S. Seeks to Distance Itself From Israeli Strike in Syria
By DOUGLAS JEHL

Published: October 5, 2003


WASHINGTON, Oct. 5 ? The Bush administration sought today to distance itself from Israel's overnight airstrike on a target deep inside Syria, with senior officials saying the United States had no advance warning of the attack and did not have solid evidence that the site was in fact a terrorist training camp.

The White House said President Bush called Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel today after the raid and urged him to avoid further increasing the tensions in the region. A senior administration official said the United States was seeking "full details" about the attack.

A White House spokesman, Ken Lisaius, said Mr. Bush and Mr. Sharon had agreed "on the need to continue fighting terrorism in the region."

But the Bush administration seemed to be avoiding any criticism of the raid, which was the first deep strike by Israel into Syria since the 1973 Middle East war and was described by Israel as a retaliation for the suicide bombing on Saturday in northern Israel that killed 19 people.

The group that claimed responsibility for that attack, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, maintains offices and other bases of operations inside Syria, and Israel said its airstrike targeted a site used by that group for training. But the senior administration official said the evidence of such a link was "very amorphous."

In its reluctance to criticize the Israeli raid, the American stance was at odds with that most of Europe and the Arab world, whose leaders roundly condemned what they called a dangerous escalation by Israel of tensions in the Middle East. At Syria's request, members of the United Nations Security Council were planning to discuss the attack in an emergency session in New York later today.

Speaking in advance of that meeting, White House officials reiterated the administration's long-standing criticism of what the United States has long called Syria's role as a state sponsor of terrorism. "We've consistently told Syria that it must cease harboring terrorists and make a clean break from those responsible for planning and directing terrorist attacks from Syrian soil," a senior administration official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

With its potential to inflame even further tensions in the Middle East, the Israeli raid comes at a sensitive time for the Bush administration, which is already coping with the unexpectedly violent aftermath to the American-led invasion of Iraq, as well as the flare-up in hostilities between Israel and the Palestinians.

Just as the United States has done Afghanistan and Iraq, and in launching a smaller strike against what were described as terrorist targets in Yemen, Israel has cast its strike into Syria as justifiable in a war against terrorism. Some Bush administration officials critical of Syria's ties to terrorism have referred to training camps in Syria as well as in neighboring Lebanon, where Syria remains the dominant power. But the State Department's most recent report on international terrorism, released last April, makes no mention of any such camps.

Having laid out an American doctrine claiming the right to launch pre-emptive attacks against terrorist targets, and having hinted that targets in Syria and Lebanon could fall under this definition, the Bush administration has consistently said that it also recognizes Israel's right to retaliate in response to terrorist attacks.

But in response to previous Israeli attacks, in Lebanon as well as the West Bank and Gaza, the administration has also consistently urged that any Israeli retaliation remain measured. It appeared today that the White House would follow a similar pattern in response the strike inside Syria.

"You can't say, `don't do anything,' " a senior Bush administration official said today, outlining the standard American message to Israel about its responses to acts of terrorism. "But you can say, `don't make matters worse.' "

As recently as Saturday, the Bush administration had appeared to be on the verge of taking a tough new line against Israel for its construction of fences around settlements in the West Bank. In an interview with The Washington Post that was published on Saturday, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell described the step as counterproductive, and he said the administration was debating how best to respond.

But those concerns have now been overshadowed by Saturday's attack in Haifa and by Israel's attack into Syria on a target about 10 miles from the Syrian capital that Israel said was used as a training camp by the militant groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

An administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity said that Israel had not informed the United States about the raid into Syria until "several hours" after the attack. But the United States military and intelligence agencies have always kept a close watch on the air space in the region, particularly because of the American military occupation in Iraq, and military officials said the United States knew about the raid before receiving the official notification from Israel.

Since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the United States, the Bush administration has repeatedly called on Syria to break its ties with terrorist groups, particularly those like Hamas and Islamic Jihad, which it has long provided a safe haven. Syria has denied supporting terrorism, but says it supports resistance efforts by those groups and others against Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza

The administration has amplified its criticism of Syria since the war in Iraq. After Mr. Powell visited Syria in April, the Damascus government forced some of those groups to close their offices in Damascus. But administration officials have described those efforts as nothing more than first steps, and they say the groups have continued to use Syria and Lebanon as bases of operation.

The State Department's most recent annual report on terrorism says that Syria "has continued to provide political and limited material support to a number of Palestinian groups," including Hamas and Islamic Jihad, as well as the two main factions of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. It notes that Syria also permits Iran to resupply the Lebanese group Hezbollah, through shipments that pass through Damascus.

But the report also notes that "the Syrian Government has not been implicated directly in an act of terrorism since 1986."

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Yay! WWIII's gonna start soon!!!! I feel sorry for those of you who don't know the L-rd. Be prepared for unimaginable horrors for the rest of your days.

Who is this L-rd of which you speak? If you refer to the Bible, it states 'there are many gods and many L-rds'.

Elohim or adonay is simply "lord" or "god".
Can we have a personal name please?

I've gone over this countless times in this forum and in ATOT. Do a search.
I use Elohim for just that reason - it is not a personal name of G-d. It is simply "the name."

I get it, just like the Jews, you superstitiously avoid saying YHWH (the "name") for fear of taking his name in "vain".

And I use G-D. too - just not like you.

 

[phillyTIM]

Not even Israel's biggest savior can stand by now...what a joke!

They say birds of a feather flock together. It's when they break apart you know something is seriously wrong.

Israel is a lame duck.

 

[Passions]

i guess you missed the news about how they send off rockets into apartment buildings, killing children, random innocent people.. in addition the the bulldozing of houses, expanding on illegal settlements, and building a fence into land they have no right to touch.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: BOBBY RIBS

i guess you missed the news about how they send off rockets into apartment buildings, killing children, random innocent people.. in addition the the bulldozing of houses, expanding on illegal settlements, and building a fence into land they have no right to touch.

They didn't MISS it; they IGNORED it in the ridiculous belief that the Jews are somehow "chosen" by G-D.

The Jews have a LONG history of genociding their neighbors . . . just read the Bible.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: BOBBY RIBS

i guess you missed the news about how they send off rockets into apartment buildings, killing children, random innocent people.. in addition the the bulldozing of houses, expanding on illegal settlements, and building a fence into land they have no right to touch.

They didn't MISS it; they IGNORED it in the ridiculous belief that the Jews are somehow "chosen" by G-D.

The Jews have a LONG history of genociding their neighbors . . . just read the Bible.

Yep, that's right. I remember learning about how the Jews systematically murdered millions of Germans, how they beat up on the Crusaders, how they always incited riots murdering countless numbers of their friendly Christian neigbors, and how they offered conversion or death to all the poor Spanish people during the inquisiton, they have along, murderous history.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: BOBBY RIBS

i guess you missed the news about how they send off rockets into apartment buildings, killing children, random innocent people.. in addition the the bulldozing of houses, expanding on illegal settlements, and building a fence into land they have no right to touch.

They didn't MISS it; they IGNORED it in the ridiculous belief that the Jews are somehow "chosen" by G-D.

The Jews have a LONG history of genociding their neighbors . . . just read the Bible.

Yep, that's right. I remember learning about how the Jews systematically murdered millions of Germans, how they beat up on the Crusaders, how they always incited riots murdering countless numbers of their friendly Christian neigbors, and how they offered conversion or death to all the poor Spanish people during the inquisiton, they have along, murderous history.

I said "neighbors" - read my post before your knee-jerk reaction.

Think back about 3,500 years when they first were a nation under Moses and Joshua - they systematically murdered their neighboring nations - man, woman and child - all (ostensibly) on the command of their Yahweh.

They are reaping what they have sown.

edit: They made enemies of "christians" when they got the Romans to murder Jesus and then persecuted early christians about 2 thousand years ago. Theirs is a BLOODY past and present.

 

[oLLie]

Originally posted by: BOBDN
Pretty funny. After building up a case to invade Iraq based on lies Bush is now asking Sharon not to increase tensions in the region.

That, as the saying goes, is priceless.

More info on the Israeli bombing in Syria from the NY Times.

U.S. Seeks to Distance Itself From Israeli Strike in Syria

Wow hypocrisy detector readings are off the charts!
I thought liberals wanted the U.S. to distance itself from Israel.
Yet, in this case for no apparent reason it is "pretty funny".

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: BOBBY RIBS

i guess you missed the news about how they send off rockets into apartment buildings, killing children, random innocent people.. in addition the the bulldozing of houses, expanding on illegal settlements, and building a fence into land they have no right to touch.

They didn't MISS it; they IGNORED it in the ridiculous belief that the Jews are somehow "chosen" by G-D.

The Jews have a LONG history of genociding their neighbors . . . just read the Bible.

Yep, that's right. I remember learning about how the Jews systematically murdered millions of Germans, how they beat up on the Crusaders, how they always incited riots murdering countless numbers of their friendly Christian neigbors, and how they offered conversion or death to all the poor Spanish people during the inquisiton, they have along, murderous history.

I said "neighbors" - read my post before your knee-jerk reaction.

Think back about 3,500 years when they first were a nation under Moses and Joshua - they systematically murdered their neighboring nations - man, woman and child - all (ostensibly) on the command of their Yahweh.

They are reaping what they have sown.

Okay, let me think back.... they were enslaved by the Egyptians for 410 years....They left Egypt and were immediately attacked by the Amalekites...Is that the time you are referring to?

 

[oLLie]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: BOBBY RIBS

i guess you missed the news about how they send off rockets into apartment buildings, killing children, random innocent people.. in addition the the bulldozing of houses, expanding on illegal settlements, and building a fence into land they have no right to touch.

They didn't MISS it; they IGNORED it in the ridiculous belief that the Jews are somehow "chosen" by G-D.

The Jews have a LONG history of genociding their neighbors . . . just read the Bible.

Yep, that's right. I remember learning about how the Jews systematically murdered millions of Germans, how they beat up on the Crusaders, how they always incited riots murdering countless numbers of their friendly Christian neigbors, and how they offered conversion or death to all the poor Spanish people during the inquisiton, they have along, murderous history.

I said "neighbors" - read my post before your knee-jerk reaction.

Think back about 3,500 years when they first were a nation under Moses and Joshua - they systematically murdered their neighboring nations - man, woman and child - all (ostensibly) on the command of their Yahweh.

They are reaping what they have sown.

edit: They made enemies of "christians" when they got the Romans to murder Jesus and then persecuted early christians about 2 thousand years ago. Theirs is a BLOODY past and present.

Well.. that's one example. You kind of implied there were multiple. Also, perhaps we should stick to examples that came after the proliferation of newspapers and other sources of news that can be more easily verified than 3,500 year old documents.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: oLLie

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: BOBBY RIBS

i guess you missed the news about how they send off rockets into apartment buildings, killing children, random innocent people.. in addition the the bulldozing of houses, expanding on illegal settlements, and building a fence into land they have no right to touch.

They didn't MISS it; they IGNORED it in the ridiculous belief that the Jews are somehow "chosen" by G-D.

The Jews have a LONG history of genociding their neighbors . . . just read the Bible.

Yep, that's right. I remember learning about how the Jews systematically murdered millions of Germans, how they beat up on the Crusaders, how they always incited riots murdering countless numbers of their friendly Christian neigbors, and how they offered conversion or death to all the poor Spanish people during the inquisiton, they have along, murderous history.

I said "neighbors" - read my post before your knee-jerk reaction.

Think back about 3,500 years when they first were a nation under Moses and Joshua - they systematically murdered their neighboring nations - man, woman and child - all (ostensibly) on the command of their Yahweh.

They are reaping what they have sown.

edit: They made enemies of "christians" when they got the Romans to murder Jesus and then persecuted early christians about 2 thousand years ago. Theirs is a BLOODY past and present.

Well.. that's one example. You kind of implied there were multiple. Also, perhaps we should stick to examples that came after the proliferation of newspapers and other sources of news that can be more easily verified than 3,500 year old documents.

As I recall, it was hundreds of years of warring against their neighbors as they took "possesion" of the "promised land".:

They GENOCIDED many nations or ENSLAVED them. Just READ, Exodus, Joshua, the CHronicles and Kings.

Theirs is a particularly BLOODY history.

In their arrogant belief that they are "special" and "chosen" by god, they have made enemes of arabs and christians.

What do they expect? Us to believe their BS "spin" on history or the real facts?

EDIT: Their is no doubt about their Bloody history 3,500 years ago - it agrees with what they admitted in the (Jewish) Bible, Christian Bible and Arab history.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: oLLie

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: BOBBY RIBS

i guess you missed the news about how they send off rockets into apartment buildings, killing children, random innocent people.. in addition the the bulldozing of houses, expanding on illegal settlements, and building a fence into land they have no right to touch.

They didn't MISS it; they IGNORED it in the ridiculous belief that the Jews are somehow "chosen" by G-D.

The Jews have a LONG history of genociding their neighbors . . . just read the Bible.

Yep, that's right. I remember learning about how the Jews systematically murdered millions of Germans, how they beat up on the Crusaders, how they always incited riots murdering countless numbers of their friendly Christian neigbors, and how they offered conversion or death to all the poor Spanish people during the inquisiton, they have along, murderous history.

I said "neighbors" - read my post before your knee-jerk reaction.

Think back about 3,500 years when they first were a nation under Moses and Joshua - they systematically murdered their neighboring nations - man, woman and child - all (ostensibly) on the command of their Yahweh.

They are reaping what they have sown.

edit: They made enemies of "christians" when they got the Romans to murder Jesus and then persecuted early christians about 2 thousand years ago. Theirs is a BLOODY past and present.

Well.. that's one example. You kind of implied there were multiple. Also, perhaps we should stick to examples that came after the proliferation of newspapers and other sources of news that can be more easily verified than 3,500 year old documents.

As I recall, it was hundreds of years of warring against their neighbors as they took "possesion" of the "promised land".:

They GENOCIDED many nations or ENSLAVED them. Just READ, Exodus, Joshua, the CHronicles and Kings.

Theirs is a particularly BLOODY history.

In their arrogant belief that they are "special" and "chosen" by god, they have made enemes of arabs and christians.

What do they expect? Us to believe their BS "spin" on history or the real facts?

EDIT: Their is no doubt about their Bloody history 3,500 years ago - it agrees with what they admitted in the (Jewish) Bible, Christian Bible and Arab history.

If you are accepting the events portraid in the Bible as fact, then you also must accept that it was the word of God. You can't accept one part of it and not the other.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: oLLie

If you are accepting the events portraid in the Bible as fact, then you also must accept that it was the word of God. You can't accept one part of it and not the other.

You said.

I have ANOTHER more logical choice . . .

I am accepting what is portrayed in the bible as HISTORY when CONFIRMED by secular historians. Not the supernatural crap.

 

[Aegion]

Originally posted by: apoppin
I have ANOTHER more logical choice . . .

I am accepting what is portrayed in the bible as HISTORY when CONFIRMED by secular historians. Not the supernatural crap.

Alot of what you seem to accept as definately supported by secular historians is under dispute. The latest archeological evidence rather conclusively shows that a mass exodus from Egypt as described in the Bible never happened, and that the state of Israel was at least primarily formed from the people already living in Cannan rather than from conquest. (I'm saying this as a Reform Jew!) Given this situation, the early formation of Israel was undoubtedly caused by assimulation of culture or from within the culture itself, rather than violent conquest. This fact also places what you seem to treat as "definitive evidence" from descriptions later in the Bible under dispute.

 

[oLLie]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: oLLie

If you are accepting the events portraid in the Bible as fact, then you also must accept that it was the word of God. You can't accept one part of it and not the other.

You said.

I have ANOTHER more logical choice . . .

I am accepting what is portrayed in the bible as HISTORY when CONFIRMED by secular historians. Not the supernatural crap.

Hmm... looks like you broke the quote function! I didn't say that ^