Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Nefrodite
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Nefrodite
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Nefrodite
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Nefrodite
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Very interesting post, Stark. Fascinating to see war analyzed with cold reason and an eye to pragmatic outcome. Very Machiavellian. The problem I have with it would be similar to my critique of the market, there exists around the analysis a kind of vacuum, a failure of understanding as to what is value, what are desirable outcomes, what are the effects on the psyche. I see in your analysis, the hand of Evil, the cunning mind at work, the calculator the strategist, the future oriented goal seeker. Because man does not know for what he seeks he has the fantasy it lies in victory. I think the real victory lies in defeat, the death of the ego. When that happens war, violence and hate disappear and the real man, the real victor, the undefeatable one emerges. From that vantage I think the analysis you quoted is revealed as nothing more than what I have alluded to before, a sophisticated form of self justification based on the need to avoid feelings of guilt. War is a limitation of vision, a form of mental illness.
and it is also a reality. if we hadn't fought a war you would be either wearing a nazi arm band or dead already for your views.
That was almost sixty years ago... and if the south would have won, black people would still be slaves in the US... your point is? were you in that war? were you even born?
What does that have to do with what is happening in Israel today? NADA, ZILCH, NOTHING...
To this thread, your comment is of NO value... at all... not more than one that states that whenever a black man does something, we should think about the civil war... If the Jewish state of Israel does something wrong, people condemn them, and it has NOTHING to do with anti-semitism...
This comment is stupid, irrelevant and at best... just an attempt to irritate...
perhaps your comments have no value at all because they have no basis in reality.
So if i cannot accept that a sixty year old war, that has been over and done with for sixty years has no relevance to the action of the arabs, my opinions have no basis in reality?
I will stop arguing with you, you mix the palestinians bombings with the holocaust, the retaliation with the bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki, a hamas leader with hitler...
THE WWII HAS ENDED.. get it? IT WAS SIXTY YEARS AGO... MAY IT NEVER EVER BE FORGOTTEN, BUT IT HAS NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH TO DO WITH THIS WAR!
Just understand this, this isn't a new persecution of Jews, i am sure if catholics live in the same settlemets they will not be spared... get it? do you understand it? this is NOT the holocaust all over again.....
you will stop argueing with me because all your arguements result in absurdity when taken to their logical conclusion. in your moral relativism we're all the same, we're all terrorists. even wars of defense are terrorist actions. you live in some morally relative universe where criminals are criminals only because police officers exist. and well, the police officers themselves are criminals too.
No, actually i will stop arguing because you do not see arabs and jews equal... you are a racist.. down to the bonemarrow.. i cannot change that so i will stop... The proof of that you just stated... everone can be a terrorist, white, arab, jew or whatever, you cannot accept the simple fact that if you bomb civilians intentionally you are a terrorist, i can... and i would be what the germans once called a true arier...
no actually, i don't see terrorists as equal. i can not like nazi germany and still not hate white people. by your very own definition the US is now a terrorist state and always has been. your reasoning is pathetic.
You're not going to like this but, it is people like you that keeps the war going...
pot calls kettle black...