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Nefrodite

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Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Nefrodite
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Nefrodite
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Nefrodite
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Nefrodite
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Very interesting post, Stark. Fascinating to see war analyzed with cold reason and an eye to pragmatic outcome. Very Machiavellian. The problem I have with it would be similar to my critique of the market, there exists around the analysis a kind of vacuum, a failure of understanding as to what is value, what are desirable outcomes, what are the effects on the psyche. I see in your analysis, the hand of Evil, the cunning mind at work, the calculator the strategist, the future oriented goal seeker. Because man does not know for what he seeks he has the fantasy it lies in victory. I think the real victory lies in defeat, the death of the ego. When that happens war, violence and hate disappear and the real man, the real victor, the undefeatable one emerges. From that vantage I think the analysis you quoted is revealed as nothing more than what I have alluded to before, a sophisticated form of self justification based on the need to avoid feelings of guilt. War is a limitation of vision, a form of mental illness.

and it is also a reality. if we hadn't fought a war you would be either wearing a nazi arm band or dead already for your views.

That was almost sixty years ago... and if the south would have won, black people would still be slaves in the US... your point is? were you in that war? were you even born?

What does that have to do with what is happening in Israel today? NADA, ZILCH, NOTHING...

To this thread, your comment is of NO value... at all... not more than one that states that whenever a black man does something, we should think about the civil war... If the Jewish state of Israel does something wrong, people condemn them, and it has NOTHING to do with anti-semitism...

This comment is stupid, irrelevant and at best... just an attempt to irritate...



perhaps your comments have no value at all because they have no basis in reality.

So if i cannot accept that a sixty year old war, that has been over and done with for sixty years has no relevance to the action of the arabs, my opinions have no basis in reality?

I will stop arguing with you, you mix the palestinians bombings with the holocaust, the retaliation with the bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki, a hamas leader with hitler...

THE WWII HAS ENDED.. get it? IT WAS SIXTY YEARS AGO... MAY IT NEVER EVER BE FORGOTTEN, BUT IT HAS NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH TO DO WITH THIS WAR!

Just understand this, this isn't a new persecution of Jews, i am sure if catholics live in the same settlemets they will not be spared... get it? do you understand it? this is NOT the holocaust all over again.....

you will stop argueing with me because all your arguements result in absurdity when taken to their logical conclusion. in your moral relativism we're all the same, we're all terrorists. even wars of defense are terrorist actions. you live in some morally relative universe where criminals are criminals only because police officers exist. and well, the police officers themselves are criminals too.

No, actually i will stop arguing because you do not see arabs and jews equal... you are a racist.. down to the bonemarrow.. i cannot change that so i will stop... The proof of that you just stated... everone can be a terrorist, white, arab, jew or whatever, you cannot accept the simple fact that if you bomb civilians intentionally you are a terrorist, i can... and i would be what the germans once called a true arier...



no actually, i don't see terrorists as equal. i can not like nazi germany and still not hate white people. by your very own definition the US is now a terrorist state and always has been. your reasoning is pathetic.

You're not going to like this but, it is people like you that keeps the war going...



pot calls kettle black...

 

SnapIT

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no actually, i don't see terrorists as equal. i can not like nazi germany and still not hate white people. by your very own definition the US is now a terrorist state and always has been. your reasoning is pathetic.

There are two sides practicing terrorism...

You chose one side and involve what happened sixty years ago.... and racism... you are pathetic as best... if you cannot beat them, then mention nazi germany...

If the US targets civilians, if they sacrifice innocents, yes, then the US is no better..

I still stand by my argument, if your mother was killed, would you want the killer or his mother?

The big army ALWAYS calls the small army terrorists.... ALWAYS!
 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Isreal will be getting what they deserve when the Palestinians, Arab nations, UN, and EU start LEAVING THEM THE FVCK ALONE.

I have a better solution, why not give up florida? the Israelis could live and prosper there....

Or Wales?

They have their state, and if they weren't soooo keen on expanding it... peace would be made...

As long as they kill innocents, the other side will do the same thing..
 
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Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Isreal will be getting what they deserve when the Palestinians, Arab nations, UN, and EU start LEAVING THEM THE FVCK ALONE.

I have a better solution, why not give up florida? the Israelis could live and prosper there....

Or Wales?

They have their state, and if they weren't soooo keen on expanding it... peace would be made...

As long as they kill innocents, the other side will do the same thing..

Isreal kills innocents by mistake, the other side does it by design. And how the blue Hell is it 'expanding' when you're settling land you already own? Kicking ass and taking it has been a legitimate way for acquiring land for thousands of years. If you have a problem wih Isreal occupying 'Palestinian' land blame Egypt and Jordan.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Isreal will be getting what they deserve when the Palestinians, Arab nations, UN, and EU start LEAVING THEM THE FVCK ALONE.

I have a better solution, why not give up florida? the Israelis could live and prosper there....

Or Wales?

They have their state, and if they weren't soooo keen on expanding it... peace would be made...

As long as they kill innocents, the other side will do the same thing..

Isreal kills innocents by mistake, the other side does it by design. And how the blue Hell is it 'expanding' when you're settling land you already own? Kicking ass and taking it has been a legitimate way for acquiring land for thousands of years. If you have a problem wih Isreal occupying 'Palestinian' land blame Egypt and Jordan.
ever read about this?


http://www.sabra-shatila.be/english/
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: SnapIT
As long as they kill innocents, the other side will do the same thing..
Thats right, it's the Israelis who kill the innocent. Tell me another case (aside from this one), where you can say that the Israelis targeted innocent people. You know what you think you know from news sources. News sources twist everything around to fit their respective political outlooks. All I can say is, I was a soldier in the IDF, I know the extent that they go to NOT to kill innocents - even at the expense of their own lives. Do you know how much easier (and safer) it would be for the Israelis if they didnt care about killing innocents? Do you think you'd see IDF soldiers in Arab cities and villages? Hell no, they'd bomb it from the sky, they'd shell it from miles away. This case (the Hamas guy) is the first and only time you could say that they went after someone without regard to innocent lives. But their reasoning is, this guy is responsible for killing hundreds of innocent Israelis, and he's planning the murder of hundreds of other Israelis. By killing a few innocent Palestinians they probably saved the lives of hundreds of Israelis. Why should the Palestinian civillians be more important than the Israeli civillians? I know you wont agree with it, but that is the reasoning. There will never be peace as long as these terrorist organizations (PLO included) continue to call for the destruction of Israel - and they do. So lets not blame this continuing conflict on the settelments or whatever else. These people are calling for the destruction of Israel, which means nothing else will satisfy them.
 

Stark

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All I can say is, I was a soldier in the IDF, I know the extent that they go to NOT to kill innocents - even at the expense of their own lives.
The Presence, don't worry about the opinion of a bunch of ignorant, overweight computer geeks whose idea of defending their freedom is playing the AT Navy Seal in CS.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: Stark
The Presence, don't worry about the opinion of a bunch of ignorant, overweight computer geeks whose idea of defending their freedom is playing the AT Navy Seal in CS.
Thanx, but Im hardly "worried". I just gets me when people who dont know their head from their ass in this situation, all they know is from the "news", sit and cast judgement on something that they know absolutely nothing about.
 

Moonbeam

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I just gets me when people who dont know their head from their ass in this situation, all they know is from the "news", sit and cast judgement on something that they know absolutely nothing about.
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You should listen to yourself. You might just have an Oh-MY-God experience.
 

Stark

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Hey Moonbeam,

I don't hear you or the rest of your liberal stooges crying out against Hamas and the palestinians for killing 7 students and wounding almost 80 in a University cafeteria today, or for two Israeli brothers selling diesel fuel in a Palestinian villiage who were gunned down yesterday, or for the the five people hurt when a suicide bomber attacked a falafel stand in Jerusalem late yesterday.

Poor, poor palestinians. Bleh.

PS
Reading your posts is like eating rice cakes. You can consume all you want, but when you're finished, you are still just as hungry as when you started.
 

Moonbeam

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I don't hear you or the rest of your liberal stooges crying out against Hamas and the palestinians........
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Is that a comment on the sound dampening properties of the human colon?

I mean, after all, why should you be the only one who gets to make absurd comments.
 

Meltz

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Isreal will be getting what they deserve when the Palestinians, Arab nations, UN, and EU start LEAVING THEM THE FVCK ALONE.

I have a better solution, why not give up florida? the Israelis could live and prosper there....

Or Wales?

They have their state, and if they weren't soooo keen on expanding it... peace would be made...

As long as they kill innocents, the other side will do the same thing..

Isreal kills innocents by mistake, the other side does it by design. And how the blue Hell is it 'expanding' when you're settling land you already own? Kicking ass and taking it has been a legitimate way for acquiring land for thousands of years. If you have a problem wih Isreal occupying 'Palestinian' land blame Egypt and Jordan.
ever read about this?


http://www.sabra-shatila.be/english/

You should know the Sabra and Shatila massacres were carried out by the Christian Arab Phalange in revenge for the assassination of their leader, not by the IDF. This is not to say that the IDF is squeaky clean in this matter, but let's get the facts straight, shall we?


 

Nefrodite

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Originally posted by: SnapIT
no actually, i don't see terrorists as equal. i can not like nazi germany and still not hate white people. by your very own definition the US is now a terrorist state and always has been. your reasoning is pathetic.

There are two sides practicing terrorism...

You chose one side and involve what happened sixty years ago.... and racism... you are pathetic as best... if you cannot beat them, then mention nazi germany...

If the US targets civilians, if they sacrifice innocents, yes, then the US is no better..

I still stand by my argument, if your mother was killed, would you want the killer or his mother?

The big army ALWAYS calls the small army terrorists.... ALWAYS!


no, if i were a palestinian i'd want to kill the killers mother, baby sister, and wifes child in womb. now if i were a normal person, i'd only want to kill the killer. you see, thats the level of genocidal hate the palestinians have.

theres a difference between small geurilla forces that can quick strike military units and terrorists that prey on civilians.

and yes you stand by your arguement, your reasoning that makes all crimes equal, the allies were just as evil as hitler, no difference, no difference what so ever. there are no evil people in the world, because everyones evil. oh yea, great philosophy
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I just gets me when people who dont know their head from their ass in this situation, all they know is from the "news", sit and cast judgement on something that they know absolutely nothing about.
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You should listen to yourself. You might just have an Oh-MY-God experience.


 

lizium

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There was a thread here a few days ago something like "Why people dont like Jews"... A person posts an artilce with no reference to Jews whatsoever and the next jew jumps in and starts his bs "anti-semite" cr@p.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: Meltz
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Isreal will be getting what they deserve when the Palestinians, Arab nations, UN, and EU start LEAVING THEM THE FVCK ALONE.

I have a better solution, why not give up florida? the Israelis could live and prosper there....

Or Wales?

They have their state, and if they weren't soooo keen on expanding it... peace would be made...

As long as they kill innocents, the other side will do the same thing..

Isreal kills innocents by mistake, the other side does it by design. And how the blue Hell is it 'expanding' when you're settling land you already own? Kicking ass and taking it has been a legitimate way for acquiring land for thousands of years. If you have a problem wih Isreal occupying 'Palestinian' land blame Egypt and Jordan.
ever read about this?


http://www.sabra-shatila.be/english/

You should know the Sabra and Shatila massacres were carried out by the Christian Arab Phalange in revenge for the assassination of their leader, not by the IDF. This is not to say that the IDF is squeaky clean in this matter, but let's get the facts straight, shall we?
true, but then read this

http://www.ariga.com/peacewatch/dy/
 

lizium

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<sarcasm> Wow, You are all CRAZY!!! Israel wound NEVER kill innocent people, wow what i though... Dont you know that Israel fires those rockets with the intent to ONLY kill the Hamas leaders, and not dozens of children? </sarcasm> Wake up man.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: lizium
<sarcasm> Wow, You are all CRAZY!!! Israel wound NEVER kill innocent people, wow what i though... Dont you know that Israel fires those rockets with the intent to ONLY kill the Hamas leaders, and not dozens of children? </sarcasm> Wake up man.
Is this what your deep research into Israeli tactics lead you to believe? Or do you just mouth off without having a clue what you're talking about? Nah, couldnt be......

 

lizium

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Wow ThePresence, ur just all over the place, do you search out the "jew" threads and just reply randomly pro-jew everytime? Looks like it.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: lizium
Wow ThePresence, ur just all over the place, do you search out the "jew" threads and just reply randomly pro-jew everytime? Looks like it.
Oh, you mean kind of like the way you show up in every thread that mentions jew or Israeli, to bash them?

 

lizium

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Yeah sort of like that. Only you are in the same threads as i am... interesting.
 

Meltz

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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Meltz
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Isreal will be getting what they deserve when the Palestinians, Arab nations, UN, and EU start LEAVING THEM THE FVCK ALONE.

I have a better solution, why not give up florida? the Israelis could live and prosper there....

Or Wales?

They have their state, and if they weren't soooo keen on expanding it... peace would be made...

As long as they kill innocents, the other side will do the same thing..

Isreal kills innocents by mistake, the other side does it by design. And how the blue Hell is it 'expanding' when you're settling land you already own? Kicking ass and taking it has been a legitimate way for acquiring land for thousands of years. If you have a problem wih Isreal occupying 'Palestinian' land blame Egypt and Jordan.
ever read about this?


http://www.sabra-shatila.be/english/

You should know the Sabra and Shatila massacres were carried out by the Christian Arab Phalange in revenge for the assassination of their leader, not by the IDF. This is not to say that the IDF is squeaky clean in this matter, but let's get the facts straight, shall we?
true, but then read this

http://www.ariga.com/peacewatch/dy/


Yes, I know very well about Deir Yassin, and I am the first to admit that it is a black mark upon the history of Zionism. However, I grow tired of the anti-Israeli/anti-Zionist crowd using a Deir Yassin as a moral club when, 4 days later the Arabs massacred a group of 80 Jewish doctors, nurses and patients en route to the Hadassah hospital in order to avenge what happened at Deir Yassin. Funny how that never gets mentioned, hmm?


 
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