Israel GunShip - Serious Damage

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Aimster
If Israel is going to attack these countries I hope they fix them.

Hezbollah was created out of an Israel attack/invasion. Israel didn't fix anything. Now look at the situation.

Israel after they are finished with Hezbollah should help financially rebuild Lebanon. How wonderful would that be? Of course that will not happen.

Seems to me then that Iran should also help to rebuild Israel after this is all over

I think his point was that it might actually HELP the situation and be to Israel's benefit, not that justice dictates Israel MUST rebuild it (in which case I agree with you, let the Arabs repair the damage they've done first).

 

[dahunan]

Doesn't Hizbollah deserve to be destroyed? Every last one of them have their throats slit and set on fire in the ocean?

Why do they think they can create Religious Wars.. Is Religion a man made thing? Are they perverting the meaning of all scriptures to allow themselves to use missiles to murder innocents in shopping malls and sidewalk cafes because they are on some sort of holy ground or something?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Aimster
If Israel is going to attack these countries I hope they fix them.

Hezbollah was created out of an Israel attack/invasion. Israel didn't fix anything. Now look at the situation.

Israel after they are finished with Hezbollah should help financially rebuild Lebanon. How wonderful would that be? Of course that will not happen.

Seems to me then that Iran should also help to rebuild Israel after this is all over

I think his point was that it might actually HELP the situation and be to Israel's benefit, not that justice dictates Israel MUST rebuild it (in which case I agree with you, let the Arabs repair the damage they've done first).

I knew what he was saying.. but the sad part about all of this is it is Iran and Islam that are to BLAME..

Middle Eastern Islam is TRAPPED in Crusade Thinking.. I think the world would just be much better off if we could start over and never re-create things like man made bibles and ******.. please?

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Doesn't Hizbollah deserve to be destroyed? Every last one of them have their throats slit and set on fire in the ocean?

Why do they think they can create Religious Wars.. Is Religion a man made thing? Are they perverting the meaning of all scriptures to allow themselves to use missiles to murder innocents in shopping malls and sidewalk cafes because they are on some sort of holy ground or something?

What are you talking about.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: dahunan
Doesn't Hizbollah deserve to be destroyed? Every last one of them have their throats slit and set on fire in the ocean?

Why do they think they can create Religious Wars.. Is Religion a man made thing? Are they perverting the meaning of all scriptures to allow themselves to use missiles to murder innocents in shopping malls and sidewalk cafes because they are on some sort of holy ground or something?

What are you talking about.

oh.. wait.. you think Hizbollah is innocent?

Are they Allah/Yaweh Approved?

Iran and Hizbollah are the worst things to ever happen to Islam

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Its simply a case of a homebuilt cheap flying drone seriously damaging a multi-million dollar warship. How much did terrorist invest to cause that much damage to the USS Cole?

Those drones come from Iran, and most likely an Iranian was flying it.
If I was a betting man, thats the bet I'd take anyways.

Nope, they were North Korean drones. I think they're called phyllin'dongs.

Seriously though... I'm a bit surprised Saddam wasn't involved in some way. I bet it comes out that these WMD NK drones are truely his doing and that we need to liberate Iraq.

 

[Aimster]

Lebanon is a country where women walk the streets in bikinis and mini skirts.

I hope it doesn't turn into a hezbollah style government where women will be walking the streets in Islamic dress code.

Hezbollah deserves to be destroyed. Their misssion has been accomplished. They were created to get Israel out of Lebanon and they accomplished that goal. There is no reason why they should still be fighting.

I would blame Iran for all of this. Iran is scum.

 

[Aimster]

Israel media is reporting that Hezbollah has attacked a civilian ship.

No details were given other than that.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: dahunan
Doesn't Hizbollah deserve to be destroyed? Every last one of them have their throats slit and set on fire in the ocean?

Why do they think they can create Religious Wars.. Is Religion a man made thing? Are they perverting the meaning of all scriptures to allow themselves to use missiles to murder innocents in shopping malls and sidewalk cafes because they are on some sort of holy ground or something?

What are you talking about.

oh.. wait.. you think Hizbollah is innocent?

Are they Allah/Yaweh Approved?

Iran and Hizbollah are the worst things to ever happen to Islam

Where did I say that smarty!! No actually the worse thing to happen to Islam was after the death of Prophet Mohammed. Man with corrupted mind entered Islam seeking power, created the Umayyad Empire and Abbasid dynasty abused the religion and the effects of their actions still lives on in our time.

 

[dahunan]

I know you didn't say that.. but these heathens are what is the cause of innocent Lebanese Muslims AND Christians to be in the middle of all of this.. They have a thirst for blood and there aint no stopping them.. They perceive religious enemies when their enemies are enemies of terrrorism..

This is a religious war caused by a piece of land.. that is all it is.. and Iran and Whorezbulla just fcking won't let it drop.. If they all died and went to Allah tonight.. he would not be happy that they chose to use his name to murder his Children with.. Allah is the father of ALL ... right?

 

[Lemon law]

Sorry, this thread misses the point. One one hand Isael is the just one party that destroyed the previous Lebanese government---then after 20 years years of occupation they pull out after they realise they bit off more than they can chew--leaving lebanon again in anarchy---almost predictabley--it became a puppet state of Syria---until the assination of Harrai suddenly made that Syrian dominatiom of Lebannon untenable.

So you are left with a fledging Lebanese government stuggling to survive---and at the same time Hezbollah is the only game in town for social services.---or at least its civilian wing.

And suddenly---Israel---after having a hand in the destruction of previous Lebanese governments---suddenly expects the future lebanese government to be instantly strong enough to employ GWB police state powers to rein in all Hezbollah elements---sorry folks---just not a reality---and a reality that will never happen if Israel keeps destabilizing any government that forms in Lebanon.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: dahunan
Yep.. I just read about it 10 minutes ago

This is really sad.. Arabs need to get their governments in order and get rid of the disgusting rats .. let the citizens live in peace without allowing terrorists to gain so much power in the country.. I hear Hezbollah is stronger than the governments where they reside

How in the hell can these pigs call themselves Muslims... If Allah were to come down to pay them a visit it would only be to squash them like insects and anyone else who killed in his name

What is wrong with attacking an israel gun ship when israel is using it in an act of war.

Absolutely nothing. Except Israel is not at war with Lebanon. In fact, they are barely even slapping them on the wrist. If they decided to take the baby gloves off, things would look very different.

 

[Zorba]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel media is reporting that Hezbollah has attacked a civilian ship.

No details were given other than that.

I just saw it on Headline news. They showed the ship burning. Those must be some very powerful drones.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: dahunan
Yep.. I just read about it 10 minutes ago

This is really sad.. Arabs need to get their governments in order and get rid of the disgusting rats .. let the citizens live in peace without allowing terrorists to gain so much power in the country.. I hear Hezbollah is stronger than the governments where they reside

How in the hell can these pigs call themselves Muslims... If Allah were to come down to pay them a visit it would only be to squash them like insects and anyone else who killed in his name

What is wrong with attacking an israel gun ship when israel is using it in an act of war.

Absolutely nothing. Except Israel is not at war with Lebanon. In fact, they are barely even slapping them on the wrist. If they decided to take the baby gloves off, things would look very different.

A blockade is an act of war.

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Aimster
If Israel is going to attack these countries I hope they fix them.

Hezbollah was created out of an Israel attack/invasion. Israel didn't fix anything. Now look at the situation.

Israel after they are finished with Hezbollah should help financially rebuild Lebanon. How wonderful would that be? Of course that will not happen.

Maybe if Lebanon would have dealt with Hezbollah they wouldnt be dealing with Israel right now...

Have any idea how small the Lebanese army is?

Real small. Basically a police force in green uniforms, although many of the troops do have combat experience (not hard to find there, of course).

The Lebanese nation has NEVER been allowed to have a strong central army - Syria wouldn't let it, Hezzbollah wouldn't let it. The UN and the US have both previously stated that there is no way the Lebanese armed forces could take on Hezzbollah.

Now - did the US ever consider giving some aide to the Lebanese military??? The only other democracy in the region besides Israel? Of course not...

And that has allowed Hezzbollah to fester and grow. The Lebanese don't WANT Hezzbollah in their midst...but Isreal's insane targeting of civilian targets in Lebanon will soon develop this into an anti-Israeli war for Lebanon, rather than an anti-Hezzbollah war that even Lebanon would have backed Israel in (it's happened before).

The Israeli's had an opportunity to align one democracy with another...and blew it.

Future Shock

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Wouldn't it be fvcking great if Israel pushed Hezbollah from the south and then turned around and handed it over to the legitimate Lebanese government, maybe even helping them rebuild it? It would show the world its true intentions (secure Israel, not occupy Arab territory), strengthen the anti-extremist portion of the Lebanese population, and maybe finally give some stability and peace to that border. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the idea lately that the Lebanese, whatever their feelings about Israel, Syria, Iran, etc., are desperately ready for peace and prosperity above all else, which I find encouraging.

So I agree, that would be a fantastic idea!

QFT...all the Lebanese want it to be left alone by their larger neighbors, and re-develop their tourism, nightlife, and service sector economies. They don't have oil, they know they need a real economy, they used to have one in the 60s/70s. If Israel helped get rid of Hezzbollah it would be a huge benefit...and as you state, show the world that Israel can actually work with others very positively.

FS

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: dahunan
Yep.. I just read about it 10 minutes ago

This is really sad.. Arabs need to get their governments in order and get rid of the disgusting rats .. let the citizens live in peace without allowing terrorists to gain so much power in the country.. I hear Hezbollah is stronger than the governments where they reside

How in the hell can these pigs call themselves Muslims... If Allah were to come down to pay them a visit it would only be to squash them like insects and anyone else who killed in his name

What is wrong with attacking an israel gun ship when israel is using it in an act of war.

Absolutely nothing. Except Israel is not at war with Lebanon. In fact, they are barely even slapping them on the wrist. If they decided to take the baby gloves off, things would look very different.

A blockade is an act of war.

So are missiles launched by an organized military force from your side of the border against targets on the other side of the border.

So if we're going to have a war, let's assume that regular rules apply... not the "Jews should just march into the ovens" rules.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: dahunan
Yep.. I just read about it 10 minutes ago

This is really sad.. Arabs need to get their governments in order and get rid of the disgusting rats .. let the citizens live in peace without allowing terrorists to gain so much power in the country.. I hear Hezbollah is stronger than the governments where they reside

How in the hell can these pigs call themselves Muslims... If Allah were to come down to pay them a visit it would only be to squash them like insects and anyone else who killed in his name

What is wrong with attacking an israel gun ship when israel is using it in an act of war.

Absolutely nothing. Except Israel is not at war with Lebanon. In fact, they are barely even slapping them on the wrist. If they decided to take the baby gloves off, things would look very different.

A blockade is an act of war.

So are missiles launched by an organized military force from your side of the border against targets on the other side of the border.

So if we're going to have a war, let's assume that regular rules apply... not the "Jews should just march into the ovens" rules.

Sure, but wasn't it under the regular rules of war that jews were marched into ovens? Anyways not that it matters, isn't playing your holocaust card getting a little old.

 

[Meuge]

Die.

 

[Termagant]

Whatever happened to "If you're not with us, you're against us."

The Lebanese allowed Hizbollah to operate from their southern territories. They could have appealed to the international community to come and police that area, they could have expelled Hizbollah from their seats of government. Would Americans allow The Taliban Party to claim seats in the US Senate? The Lebanese had their chance to join the civilized world, and blew it with inaction, thereby providing sanctuary to known terrorists. That was the standard under which we invaded Afghanistan. Unfortunately the Taliban still survive; we should have killed or captured all of them. The same should be the fate for the terrorist ally Lebanese government, and any civilian who also provides material aid and comfort to Hizbollah.

One quote I liked was according to a Pentagon source: "Hizbullah made the same mistake as Hamas when it did not predict the ramifications of its actions and ignored the regional and international changes since the fall of Saddam Hussein."

Source Link

It's time for Bush to put his money where his mouth is and invade Lebanon, topple their government, and then move on to Syria. If Iran doesn't like it, they can be next.

Ann Coulter says a lot of terrible things, but her quote about conquering and Christianizing the entire Middle East looks more and more appealing.

What is the difference between that plan, following a huge attack on American _civilians_, and our plan of conquering and converting Germany and Japan from Fascism following a huge attack on American _military targets_?

The overall problem of Muslim Terrorism is not a few radicals running around with weapons, it is that a large segment of Middle Easterners support terrorists, if only in thought, and if they don't support, then there is an utter lack of public will to stop them.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Termagant
Whatever happened to "If you're not with us, you're against us."

The Lebanese allowed Hizbollah to operate from their southern territories. They could have appealed to the international community to come and police that area, they could have expelled Hizbollah from their seats of government. Would Americans allow The Taliban Party to claim seats in the US Senate? The Lebanese had their chance to join the civilized world, and blew it with inaction, thereby providing sanctuary to known terrorists. That was the standard under which we invaded Afghanistan. Unfortunately the Taliban still survive; we should have killed or captured all of them. The same should be the fate for the terrorist ally Lebanese government, and any civilian who also provides material aid and comfort to Hizbollah.

One quote I liked was according to a Pentagon source: "Hizbullah made the same mistake as Hamas when it did not predict the ramifications of its actions and ignored the regional and international changes since the fall of Saddam Hussein."

Source Link

It's time for Bush to put his money where his mouth is and invade Lebanon, topple their government, and then move on to Syria. If Iran doesn't like it, they can be next.

Ann Coulter says a lot of terrible things, but her quote about conquering and Christianizing the entire Middle East looks more and more appealing.

What is the difference between that plan, following a huge attack on American _civilians_, and our plan of conquering and converting Germany and Japan from Fascism following a huge attack on American _military targets_?

The overall problem of Muslim Terrorism is not a few radicals running around with weapons, it is that a large segment of Middle Easterners support terrorists, if only in thought, and if they don't support, then there is an utter lack of public will to stop them.

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Lebanon's govt is unstable and up until a few months ago they were controlled by Syria. They have no military force or power. Syria was their military force and power.

& Lebanon is a democratic country. Elected officials should not be kicked out. That is not a democracy.

We allowed Bush to become President. That right there is disgusting.

 

[fallenangel99]

Israel knows that it has virtually no chance of getting the soldiers back. There are no talks of trades, no progress in return of said soldiers.

Israel is taking this opportunity to destroy Hezbollah and maybe add pressure to Syria and Iran. I highly doubt the soldiers are going to be returned any time soon.

Civilian deaths is making Israels case even worse. Lebanese citizens are going to come together and band against Israel even if they don't agree with what Hezbollah has done.

Oh well, glad we live in the U.S. People here can't make rockets heheh

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Termagant
Whatever happened to "If you're not with us, you're against us."

The Lebanese allowed Hizbollah to operate from their southern territories. They could have appealed to the international community to come and police that area, they could have expelled Hizbollah from their seats of government. Would Americans allow The Taliban Party to claim seats in the US Senate? The Lebanese had their chance to join the civilized world, and blew it with inaction, thereby providing sanctuary to known terrorists. That was the standard under which we invaded Afghanistan. Unfortunately the Taliban still survive; we should have killed or captured all of them. The same should be the fate for the terrorist ally Lebanese government, and any civilian who also provides material aid and comfort to Hizbollah.

One quote I liked was according to a Pentagon source: "Hizbullah made the same mistake as Hamas when it did not predict the ramifications of its actions and ignored the regional and international changes since the fall of Saddam Hussein."

Source Link

It's time for Bush to put his money where his mouth is and invade Lebanon, topple their government, and then move on to Syria. If Iran doesn't like it, they can be next.

Ann Coulter says a lot of terrible things, but her quote about conquering and Christianizing the entire Middle East looks more and more appealing.

What is the difference between that plan, following a huge attack on American _civilians_, and our plan of conquering and converting Germany and Japan from Fascism following a huge attack on American _military targets_?

The overall problem of Muslim Terrorism is not a few radicals running around with weapons, it is that a large segment of Middle Easterners support terrorists, if only in thought, and if they don't support, then there is an utter lack of public will to stop them.

How's that working out in Iraq. Why is it you can't learn from failure. Why would conquring the reset of the middle east turn out any better then conquring Iraq did.

 

[Aimster]

Lebanon's govt. is a democracy that is pro-U.S.

The U.S should invade a pro-U.S democratic govt. and replace it.....

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
Israel knows that it has virtually no chance of getting the soldiers back. There are no talks of trades, no progress in return of said soldiers.

Israel is taking this opportunity to destroy Hezbollah and maybe add pressure to Syria and Iran. I highly doubt the soldiers are going to be returned any time soon.

Civilian deaths is making Israels case even worse. Lebanese citizens are going to come together and band against Israel even if they don't agree with what Hezbollah has done.

Oh well, glad we live in the U.S. People here can't make rockets heheh

You don't destroy Hezbollah by murdering civilians and bombing commercial civlian targets. That's a clear sign that they are more bent on vengeance than solving any sproblems