Israel kills 11 in Gaza raids

[ConantheBarbarian]

Aljazeera.net

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Story is on yahoo news as well. There is no evidence that any of those killed were actually militants. Another great example of how Israel tries to minimize collateral dammage. I guess the pro-Israeli lobby here at AT will say that since they only killed 11 they were showing restraint as they could have killed many more if they wanted to. Great reasoning.

 

[Walleye]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Story is on yahoo news as well. There is no evidence that any of those killed were actually militants. Another great example of how Israel tries to minimize collateral dammage. I guess the pro-Israeli lobby here at AT will say that since they only killed 11 they were showing restraint as they could have killed many more if they wanted to. Great reasoning.

no.

i will say however that such action is justified, because of the nature of the people and attitudes in that reigon.

 

[UncleWai]

Originally posted by: Walleye

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Story is on yahoo news as well. There is no evidence that any of those killed were actually militants. Another great example of how Israel tries to minimize collateral dammage. I guess the pro-Israeli lobby here at AT will say that since they only killed 11 they were showing restraint as they could have killed many more if they wanted to. Great reasoning.

no.

i will say however that such action is justified, because of the nature of the people and attitudes in that reigon.

are you serious?

 

[JackStorm]

There is *NO* excuse for shoting missles into populated/crowed areas, *NON*. And keep in mind that children were injured here aswell. All this will do is incite more violance. Israel would have been better off raiding the place in quiestion (with soldiers, not missles). But as always, they seem to prefer to sit in their planes or tanks and blowing up buildings and stuff around them (kinda like the suicide bombers do against israeli targets) And to be honest, Sharon is no better than Arafat. They're both obstacles to peace.

 

[lozina]

Wow, someone trying to justify the death of innocent civilians. :Q

This situation is particularly sad because the US administration refuses to condemn Israel for it's reckless actions.

"We urge the government of Israel to take all appropriate cautions to prevent the death and injury of innocent civilians and damage to civilian and humanitarian infrastructure," deputy spokesman J. Adam Ereli told CNN

If this attack was a Palestinian attack on Israeli civilians, would you be angry if the US spokesman merely said: "We urge the Palestinian terrorists to take all appropriate cautions to prevent the death and injury of innocent civilians and damage to civilian and humanitarian infrastructure" or "We continue to make clear that while Palestinians has a right to defend itself, we remain concerned of the impact of its actions on innocent civilians, and we continue to reiterate that view."

 

[Gravity]

Originally posted by: JackStorm
There is *NO* excuse for shoting missles into populated/crowed areas, *NON*. And keep in mind that children were injured here aswell. All this will do is incite more violance. Israel would have been better off raiding the place in quiestion (with soldiers, not missles). But as always, they seem to prefer to sit in their planes or tanks and blowing up buildings and stuff around them (kinda like the suicide bombers do against israeli targets) And to be honest, Sharon is no better than Arafat. They're both obstacles to peace.

What's the difference between firing into a crowd and blowing up 30 lbs of c4 strapped to your body in a crowd of children and womean or on a bus full of people? Why are there two standards?

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Gravity

Originally posted by: JackStorm
There is *NO* excuse for shoting missles into populated/crowed areas, *NON*. And keep in mind that children were injured here aswell. All this will do is incite more violance. Israel would have been better off raiding the place in quiestion (with soldiers, not missles). But as always, they seem to prefer to sit in their planes or tanks and blowing up buildings and stuff around them (kinda like the suicide bombers do against israeli targets) And to be honest, Sharon is no better than Arafat. They're both obstacles to peace.

What's the difference between firing into a crowd and blowing up 30 lbs of c4 strapped to your body in a crowd of children and womean or on a bus full of people? Why are there two standards?

Right, both acts are deplorable. I'm glad you admit that. The double standard is how we only condemn Palestinans for the actions of a few terrorists, while we pat the back of the Israelis

 

[rickn]

What's the difference between firing into a crowd and blowing up 30 lbs of c4 strapped to your body in a crowd of children and womean or on a bus full of people? Why are there two standards?

the person doing the killing doesn't have a nice home cooked meal to go home too?

 

[Czar]

http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm
this wouldnt have any meaning here would it?

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: Gravity

Originally posted by: JackStorm
There is *NO* excuse for shoting missles into populated/crowed areas, *NON*. And keep in mind that children were injured here aswell. All this will do is incite more violance. Israel would have been better off raiding the place in quiestion (with soldiers, not missles). But as always, they seem to prefer to sit in their planes or tanks and blowing up buildings and stuff around them (kinda like the suicide bombers do against israeli targets) And to be honest, Sharon is no better than Arafat. They're both obstacles to peace.

What's the difference between firing into a crowd and blowing up 30 lbs of c4 strapped to your body in a crowd of children and womean or on a bus full of people? Why are there two standards?

There is no diffirence. That's pretty much what I said when I used the "kinda like the suicide bombers do against israeli targets" comment. As lozina said "both acts are deplorable" And I think most semi-intelligent people see the obvious double standard. Some just willfully ignore it, because it doesn't help further their political agenda.

And the fact that the US administration always trys to avoid having to condemn the israelis when they do things like this, is pathetic. ALL acts of this nature, be they by the israeli, palestinians or any other groups or country, should be condemned. Period.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Czar
http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm
this wouldnt have any meaning here would it?

That's a perfect simulation, nice find

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Czar
http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm
this wouldnt have any meaning here would it?

That's a perfect simulation, nice find

Ironicly, yes. It pretty much shows the end result of actions like the one the israeli did this week. And the irony of it all, is that the actions of the suicide bombers created by that action, create that very hand that pulls that trigger.

Like the simulation in the url says "It has no ending. It has already begun" it's a never ending cycle of violence that's very unlikely to end.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Czar
http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm
this wouldnt have any meaning here would it?

That's a perfect simulation, nice find

Ironicly, yes. It pretty much shows the end result of actions like the one the israeli did this week. And the irony of it all, is that the actions of the suicide bombers created, create that very hand that pulls that trigger.

Like the simulation in the url says "It has no ending. It has already begun" it's a never ending cycle of violence that's very unlikely to end.

it is impossible to find who started, blaming the palestinians or the israelis for that is impossible, what mattes is ending this cycle and only people who want to end it will be able to end it, too bad none of those people have any real power for either side

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Czar
http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm
this wouldnt have any meaning here would it?

That's a perfect simulation, nice find

Ironicly, yes. It pretty much shows the end result of actions like the one the israeli did this week. And the irony of it all, is that the actions of the suicide bombers created, create that very hand that pulls that trigger.

Like the simulation in the url says "It has no ending. It has already begun" it's a never ending cycle of violence that's very unlikely to end.

it is impossible to find who started, blaming the palestinians or the israelis for that is impossible, what mattes is ending this cycle and only people who want to end it will be able to end it, too bad none of those people have any real power for either side

Exactly. Peace is truly in the interest of the common Israeli and Palestinian, but that would put the IDF out of work and less focus on the advancement of their military, while the Palestinian terrorists would lose power and influence.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Czar
http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm
this wouldnt have any meaning here would it?

That's a perfect simulation, nice find

Ironicly, yes. It pretty much shows the end result of actions like the one the israeli did this week. And the irony of it all, is that the actions of the suicide bombers created, create that very hand that pulls that trigger.

Like the simulation in the url says "It has no ending. It has already begun" it's a never ending cycle of violence that's very unlikely to end.

it is impossible to find who started, blaming the palestinians or the israelis for that is impossible, what mattes is ending this cycle and only people who want to end it will be able to end it, too bad none of those people have any real power for either side

Yep, I agree with 100% of what you said.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Walleye

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Story is on yahoo news as well. There is no evidence that any of those killed were actually militants. Another great example of how Israel tries to minimize collateral dammage. I guess the pro-Israeli lobby here at AT will say that since they only killed 11 they were showing restraint as they could have killed many more if they wanted to. Great reasoning.

no.

i will say however that such action is justified, because of the nature of the people and attitudes in that reigon.

Fire up the ovens then. What goes around...

 

[mrCide]

Originally posted by: Walleye

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Story is on yahoo news as well. There is no evidence that any of those killed were actually militants. Another great example of how Israel tries to minimize collateral dammage. I guess the pro-Israeli lobby here at AT will say that since they only killed 11 they were showing restraint as they could have killed many more if they wanted to. Great reasoning.

no.

i will say however that such action is justified, because of the nature of the people and attitudes in that reigon.

so foolish, perhaps you should stick to ATOT and stay away from P&N.

 

[Gravity]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Czar
http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm
this wouldnt have any meaning here would it?

That's a perfect simulation, nice find

Ironicly, yes. It pretty much shows the end result of actions like the one the israeli did this week. And the irony of it all, is that the actions of the suicide bombers created, create that very hand that pulls that trigger.

Like the simulation in the url says "It has no ending. It has already begun" it's a never ending cycle of violence that's very unlikely to end.

it is impossible to find who started, blaming the palestinians or the israelis for that is impossible, what mattes is ending this cycle and only people who want to end it will be able to end it, too bad none of those people have any real power for either side

Yep, I agree with 100% of what you said.

The Oslo accord gave them 95% of the land that was taken in the war and created a palestinian state. I don't think they truly want peace. I don't know where it ends. I don't even see how they can live in what they've created. I have no clue where it started, perhaps thousands of years ago when the Israli's moved in to the promised land? Wasn't it the tribe of Dan that moved in without killing all the inhabitants as instructed?

Anywayz, the tragedies continue.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Gravity

Yep, I agree with 100% of what you said.

The Oslo accord gave them 95% of the land that was taken in the war and created a palestinian state. I don't think they truly want peace. I don't know where it ends. I don't even see how they can live in what they've created. I have no clue where it started, perhaps thousands of years ago when the Israli's moved in to the promised land? Wasn't it the tribe of Dan that moved in without killing all the inhabitants as instructed?

Anywayz, the tragedies continue.[/quote]

Please spare us biblical references.

The Oslo accords were not a good offer for Palestinians, you're only looking at the raw percent of land they allegedly would have gotten, but you fail to realize the conditions attached. Heres a good read for you.

But yes, the tragedies continue for the innocent people on both sides thanks to the tyranny and reckelessness of their governments/leaders.

 

[mrCide]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Gravity

Yep, I agree with 100% of what you said.

The Oslo accord gave them 95% of the land that was taken in the war and created a palestinian state. I don't think they truly want peace. I don't know where it ends. I don't even see how they can live in what they've created. I have no clue where it started, perhaps thousands of years ago when the Israli's moved in to the promised land? Wasn't it the tribe of Dan that moved in without killing all the inhabitants as instructed?

Anywayz, the tragedies continue.

Please spare us biblical references.

The Oslo accords were not a good offer for Palestinians, you're only looking at the raw percent of land they allegedly would have gotten, but you fail to realize the conditions attached. Heres a good read for you.

But yes, the tragedies continue for the innocent people on both sides thanks to the tyranny and reckelessness of their governments/leaders.[/quote]

I love how people continue to bring up the ridiculous Oslo accords, a SCAM by all accounts IMO.

 

[cumhail]

And shall we take a look at these returned lands and how effectively they could create their palestinian state?

A Map of the land that would have been returned, as per the Oslo II agreement

Originally posted by: Gravity



The Oslo accord gave them 95% of the land that was taken in the war and created a palestinian state. I don't think they truly want peace. I don't know where it ends. I don't even see how they can live in what they've created. I have no clue where it started, perhaps thousands of years ago when the Israli's moved in to the promised land? Wasn't it the tribe of Dan that moved in without killing all the inhabitants as instructed?

Anywayz, the tragedies continue.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Gravity

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Czar
http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm
this wouldnt have any meaning here would it?

That's a perfect simulation, nice find

Ironicly, yes. It pretty much shows the end result of actions like the one the israeli did this week. And the irony of it all, is that the actions of the suicide bombers created, create that very hand that pulls that trigger.

Like the simulation in the url says "It has no ending. It has already begun" it's a never ending cycle of violence that's very unlikely to end.

it is impossible to find who started, blaming the palestinians or the israelis for that is impossible, what mattes is ending this cycle and only people who want to end it will be able to end it, too bad none of those people have any real power for either side

Yep, I agree with 100% of what you said.

The Oslo accord gave them 95% of the land that was taken in the war and created a palestinian state. I don't think they truly want peace. I don't know where it ends. I don't even see how they can live in what they've created. I have no clue where it started, perhaps thousands of years ago when the Israli's moved in to the promised land? Wasn't it the tribe of Dan that moved in without killing all the inhabitants as instructed?

Anywayz, the tragedies continue.

sigh, read this
http://www.caabu.org/press/factsheets/camp-david.html

 

[Gravity]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Gravity

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Czar
http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm
this wouldnt have any meaning here would it?

That's a perfect simulation, nice find

Ironicly, yes. It pretty much shows the end result of actions like the one the israeli did this week. And the irony of it all, is that the actions of the suicide bombers created, create that very hand that pulls that trigger.

Like the simulation in the url says "It has no ending. It has already begun" it's a never ending cycle of violence that's very unlikely to end.

it is impossible to find who started, blaming the palestinians or the israelis for that is impossible, what mattes is ending this cycle and only people who want to end it will be able to end it, too bad none of those people have any real power for either side

Yep, I agree with 100% of what you said.

The Oslo accord gave them 95% of the land that was taken in the war and created a palestinian state. I don't think they truly want peace. I don't know where it ends. I don't even see how they can live in what they've created. I have no clue where it started, perhaps thousands of years ago when the Israli's moved in to the promised land? Wasn't it the tribe of Dan that moved in without killing all the inhabitants as instructed?

Anywayz, the tragedies continue.

sigh, read this
http://www.caabu.org/press/factsheets/camp-david.html

Thanks for the linky. That was information I had not yet read.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Gravity

Originally posted by: Czar
sigh, read this
http://www.caabu.org/press/factsheets/camp-david.html

Thanks for the linky. That was information I had not yet read.

no prob, one thing about the map there, its a little small but the area with the crossed lines are temp controled area by Israel to be later handed over to the Palestinians, but I dont know if a timetable was set on the release