Israel - Palestine

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE
Why should they get it back? they were attacked and won. They are justified in the land they got.

How about it is the right thing to do??

Why? they lost it in a war. Maybe next time they will not start one.

Because it is wrong to take land that isn't yours and right to give it back.

sorry they didn't take anything. they accepted the much smaller un partition which was rejected violently by the palestinians who wanted it all. if your neighbor is trying to kill you and he fails over and over and you take territory to make sure he can't do what he clearly wants to do, that is not stealing. the palestinians gave up their right to the lands in question through their barberous actions just as a person loses his right to live freely amoung society when he commits violent crimes. the palestinians have been fomenting hatred amoung their people since before the start of this conflict. their irresponsibility lead to their own suffering. the consequences are what they have to accept for their past and current choices

 

[Thump553]

Questions are too general and too vague to give any meaningful response. For example, I'm generally supportive of Israel but disagree strongly with their decision to withhold tax monies due the Palestinian government.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
i think we should fence off a chunk of the southwest US(arizona,nevada,maybe texas) and move the entire country of Isreal inside of US borders. Ta-Da, i give you peace in the mid-east.

Wait, so give in to the terrorists?
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Israel is corrupt, I will say this, but there not terrorists and nor are they a dictatorship.

There the only country in the middle east that tries to be even slightly
democratic and fair, while virtually every other country is an Islamic theocracy.


What we should do is, blow up Saudi Arabia and move Israel into there.

Then palastine can have israel.

I believe Israel shouldn't have to give up more land because the process isn't set up correctly.

Familys are losing houses they've lived in for decades then being forced to live in a 1 room apartment and 400 bucks a month for some islamic-wakco who has no intention of coperating.

 

[Noobtastic]

I just realized I sounded like a republic.

Sorry.

-apologies for the grammar errors, kinda tired-

 

[Noobtastic]

Here is a question for you americans.

Would you move out of your house and live in a 1 room apartment, with little or no money, for
the native americans? Of course not.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JS80
I think the "palestinian" election finally proved they do not want to co-exist with Israel.

I wouldnt say that, I think it shows they didnt like Arafats regime.
They picked one evil over another due to spite.

However the process moves forward and hopefully Hamas will either growup and join the world of geo politics or continue to oppress their own people and eventually get the boot at the next election.

Yeah right. . .supposing they get the boot, you think they will just vacate office peacefully? No way. In fact, there's no way they are ever going to be voted out of office because now that they are in charge, I'm betting there will never be another unrigged election. Palestinians shot themselves in the foot with this move putting these guys in power. Hamas will NEVER let go of their power now. Not willingly.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
i think we should fence off a chunk of the southwest US(arizona,nevada,maybe texas) and move the entire country of Isreal inside of US borders. Ta-Da, i give you peace in the mid-east.

That'd really piss off Mexico.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: techs
No choice that says Israel should give back some more land, but not 100 percent.

They already gave back enough land. And we saw how Palestinians reacted to Isreal's gesture. Instead of accepting it as an offering of compromise and understanding and a step towards peace, they celebrated as if they had won some victory and praised terrorist acts for being responsible for winning them back their land. They are lucky Isreal didn't change their mind and come back in with their guns blazing and take back their gift after the way Palestinians acted.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE
Why should they get it back? they were attacked and won. They are justified in the land they got.

How about it is the right thing to do??

Why? they lost it in a war. Maybe next time they will not start one.

Because it is wrong to take land that isn't yours and right to give it back.

They forfieted that land by starting a war for no reason. They lost, to the victors go the spoils

It's not the 17th century anymore.

Tell that to the muslim countries that started a war over nothing, and still till this day vow the extinction of Israel. Those lands make a nice barrier to those barbarians.

The defense of israel is not the problem of the people living in those areas and it is wrong of israel to use their land as a buffer.

Than move? Sorry, I have no sympathy for people who attacked a country unprovoked and are not being made to pay for it. Israel took the land in a war, if the countries did not want to risk having there land taken, they should not have started the war.

Exactly. They already got their asses handed to them once and yet they still vow to destroy Isreal. People should know when they are conquered. It is mostly about pride and bruised egos more than anything else I think.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Here is a question for you americans.

Would you move out of your house and live in a 1 room apartment, with little or no money, for
the native americans? Of course not.

heh, they were conquered as well. Survival of the fittest ect ect.

 

[piasabird]

The Palestinians lost the right to their country when they conspired with other muslims and arabs to destroy Isreal. It is too bad we interfered after the first war when Isreal had to defend itself. A lot of the guilt is the guilt of the UN. Isreal is just trying to survive. Any group that has a charter that says they have to wipe out the other group is flawed.

 

[coomar]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Here is a question for you americans.

Would you move out of your house and live in a 1 room apartment, with little or no money, for
the native americans? Of course not.

what percentage of natives died from old world diseases?

the holocaust was done purposefully while some of the stuff done to natives were accidental but still, natives got more of a shaft then the jews

 

[Adnan]

I have been watching this forum for a while.

When it comes to Israel little boy Aimster or whoever he is will always bash them.

Truth is even if israel were gone, then any other non-muslim state in thatregion would get the same responses from these arabs.

What can i say, they are mad, they lost every war. They could kick the hell out of any arab nation who attacked them if they wanted.

They show restraint by targeting only militants because if they wanted to they could send the army in and whipe out all in probably 3 minutes.

israel is not going anywhere. It will stay there, and the extremist arabs(aimster), and a few others, or just plain haters of israel that willblame israel for anything that happens or their failures.

Fact is regardless of what these haters might reply to me. Israel is not going anywhere and it will kick the heck out of anyone who tries. Its been proven over and over= YAWN.

The arabs claim victory in 1973 .LOL. But truth is they were just happy to make it into Israeli space for what? 14 miles or so ? hahahaha

So to all you Israel haters VS. 1.2 billion muslims(which are all not bad). The f word to you.

Israel would kick the crap out of Iran, anyone there. Shahab 3 missiles.. LOL

It would probably land in the west bank just as Iraq's missiles hit Palestinians in the gulf war. Most did! haha

Propoganda and actually getting somewhere is a different story.

Fact is until the time comes when the arabs will be cool. They will not win in anyway.

I lmao to all these ahabs that spread false crap about israel like " Israel killed a kid"

They forgot to mention that the militants brainwash all, and hide behind 3000 stonethrowers and if a kid got killed it is because they started a rockthrowing contest and hid behind all the people.

LOL.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Adnan
I have been watching this forum for a while.

When it comes to Israel little boy Aimster or whoever he is will always bash them.

Truth is even if israel were gone, then any other non-muslim state in thatregion would get the same responses from these arabs.

What can i say, they are mad, they lost every war. They could kick the hell out of any arab nation who attacked them if they wanted.

They show restraint by targeting only militants because if they wanted to they could send the army in and whipe out all in probably 3 minutes.

israel is not going anywhere. It will stay there, and the extremist arabs(aimster), and a few others, or just plain haters of israel that willblame israel for anything that happens or their failures.

Fact is regardless of what these haters might reply to me. Israel is not going anywhere and it will kick the heck out of anyone who tries. Its been proven over and over= YAWN.

The arabs claim victory in 1973 .LOL. But truth is they were just happy to make it into Israeli space for what? 14 miles or so ? hahahaha

So to all you Israel haters VS. 1.2 billion muslims(which are all not bad). The f word to you.

Israel would kick the crap out of Iran, anyone there. Shahab 3 missiles.. LOL

It would probably land in the west bank just as Iraq's missiles hit Palestinians in the gulf war. Most did! haha

Propoganda and actually getting somewhere is a different story.

Fact is until the time comes when the arabs will be cool. They will not win in anyway.

I lmao to all these ahabs that spread false crap about israel like " Israel killed a kid"

They forgot to mention that the militants brainwash all, and hide behind 3000 stonethrowers and if a kid got killed it is because they started a rockthrowing contest and hid behind all the people.

LOL.

Hey look

New member, post count 1: Mentions my name.

Mentions all this Israel can destroy Muslim world propaganda

It is very obvious who you are.

You're pathetic.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
i think we should fence off a chunk of the southwest US(arizona,nevada,maybe texas) and move the entire country of Isreal inside of US borders. Ta-Da, i give you peace in the mid-east.

This is a joke right? They only want to be in Israel because it's the holy land...

So we'll give em' Utah :laugh: oh wait

 

[Meuge]

The thing is, Israel CAN slaughter the whole lot of Palestinians tomorrow if they wish. They are not going anywhere. So as soon as that FACT sinks in, real negotiations can begin.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Meuge
The thing is, Israel CAN slaughter the whole lot of Palestinians tomorrow if they wish. They are not going anywhere. So as soon as that FACT sinks in, real negotiations can begin.

Israel has done plenty of wrong.

You cannot sit here and tell me they haven't done anything wrong.

They have targeted civilians before.

You do not just fire missiles at an apartment building because one guy you know there is a known terrorist.

That is barbaric. From now on when a criminal has hostages we might as well blow the building up to kill the bastard.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Meuge
The thing is, Israel CAN slaughter the whole lot of Palestinians tomorrow if they wish. They are not going anywhere. So as soon as that FACT sinks in, real negotiations can begin.

Israel has done plenty of wrong.

You cannot sit here and tell me they haven't done anything wrong.

They have targeted civilians before.

You do not just fire missiles at an apartment building because one guy you know there is a known terrorist.

That is barbaric. From now on when a criminal has hostages we might as well blow the building up to kill the bastard.

Stop your fruitless and deceptive tactics of misdirection. I said nothing about who's wrong and who's right.

All I am stating is that Israel isn't going anywhere, and there can be no real negotiations of any sort until the Palestinians accept it.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Meuge
The thing is, Israel CAN slaughter the whole lot of Palestinians tomorrow if they wish. They are not going anywhere. So as soon as that FACT sinks in, real negotiations can begin.

Israel has done plenty of wrong.

You cannot sit here and tell me they haven't done anything wrong.

They have targeted civilians before.

You do not just fire missiles at an apartment building because one guy you know there is a known terrorist.

That is barbaric. From now on when a criminal has hostages we might as well blow the building up to kill the bastard.

Stop your fruitless and deceptive tactics of misdirection. I said nothing about who's wrong and who's right.

All I am stating is that Israel isn't going anywhere, and there can be no real negotiations of any sort until the Palestinians accept it.

You are suggesting Israel is some kind country because they haven't slaugthered the whole lot of the Palestinians.

I guarantee you if the rest of the world didn't care about what was going on there then they probably would have done so.

Israelis view Arabs as animals
Arabs view Israelis as animals

They have no respect for each other.

You want negotiations? Change the opinions of how the two sides feel about each other. Hamas's opinions are no better than the opinions of many in Israel.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Meuge
The thing is, Israel CAN slaughter the whole lot of Palestinians tomorrow if they wish. They are not going anywhere. So as soon as that FACT sinks in, real negotiations can begin.

Israel has done plenty of wrong.

You cannot sit here and tell me they haven't done anything wrong.

They have targeted civilians before.

You do not just fire missiles at an apartment building because one guy you know there is a known terrorist.

That is barbaric. From now on when a criminal has hostages we might as well blow the building up to kill the bastard.

Stop your fruitless and deceptive tactics of misdirection. I said nothing about who's wrong and who's right.

All I am stating is that Israel isn't going anywhere, and there can be no real negotiations of any sort until the Palestinians accept it.

You are suggesting Israel is some kind country because they haven't slaugthered the whole lot of the Palestinians.

I guarantee you if the rest of the world didn't care about what was going on there then they probably would have done so.

Israelis view Arabs as animals
Arabs view Israelis as animals

They have no respect for each other.

You want negotiations? Change the opinions of how the two sides feel about each other. Hamas's opinions are no better than the opinions of many in Israel.

Israel recognizes the Palestinian's rights to a state... the Palestinians don't recognize Israel. End of negotiations.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Adnan
I have been watching this forum for a while.

When it comes to Israel little boy Aimster or whoever he is will always bash them.

What's with these heavily pro-Israel types and their need to call people children? In a previous thread, I made a comment suggesting that the Israeli government was less than perfect and a similarly super-pro-Israel type suggested that my mother bought everything for me and that I was a little kid. :roll:

Very strange. Might be the same guy with a different name.

 

[Aimster]

Because in their eyes Israel should not be a state. Israel is a religous state in a land where religion is very important.

That doesn't mean they want the people of Israel dead. If that was the case then 20% of the Arabs in Israel would be going ballistic.

The Jews control the holy land where the Muslims do not. So yes, it would make sense that the Muslims do not support a Jewish state controlling a part of their holy land that has been very important to them.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Because in their eyes Israel should not be a state. Israel is a religous state in a land where religion is very important.

That doesn't mean they want the people of Israel dead. If that was the case then 20% of the Arabs in Israel would be going ballistic.

The Jews control the holy land where the Muslims do not. So yes, it would make sense that the Muslims do not support a Jewish state controlling a part of their holy land that has been very important to them.

This holy land is important to the 3 monotheistic religions... and the Muslims didn't mind one being in control when it was them.

 

[coomar]

historically, the situation was dealt with better when the muslims controlled the holy land

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: coomar
historically, the situation was dealt with better when the muslims controlled the holy land

That's cause the Jews didn't threaten them with mass murder.