***Israel Planning Tactical Nuclear Attack***

[KurskKnyaz]

Originally posted by: fubar569
no harm no foul...

however i still think we need to reach out and touch a few cultures...tell them to BTFU...

i read a story about how there was a presumably islamic terrorist attack somewhere in the pacific theater. the person in command rounded up 50 locals, slaughtered some pigs, tied the 50 people up, dipped the bullets in pigs blood, shot 49 of them and buried them along with the pig remains and such, and let the 50th go....and for the longest time there was never another attack in the region...

i WISH I HAD A LINK FOR THAT....i think i got the general ponts of the story down however...

point being...we need to start growing some balls and taking care of business...

I heard that too, worked great but unethical. Sometimes people criticize how governments fight terrorists from afar with missiles and bombs while the brave terrorists blow themselves up at close range. The real courage is behind fighting a war and living up to a higher moral standard than your opponent.

 

[KurskKnyaz]

Originally posted by: Narmer
If Israel convinces itself of starting a nuclear war in the Middle East, then I see no problem with Iran buying some nukes from Pakistan and giving it to their proxies to blow up in Tel Aviv. It'll be good for the Arabs in Middle East in particular and the world in general. The Arabs will get rid of their two hated enemies and the world won't have to worry about these two headaches anymore.

Why, or on what incentive would Israel start a nuclear war? Does Israel want Iran to be "wiped off the map"?

 

[tvarad]

Gigantopithecus:

>>>I would hope that if Israel did attack Iran unprovoked, the rest of the world would tell Israel it's alone on this one.
>>>
>>Since when has Israel not been alone in whatever it did to defend itself?
>Since maybe the late 1940s when it became America's 51st Welfare State?

If Israelis are on welfare, the Arabs and Iranians who want to destroy Israel are on a drug called oil money, a habit the whole world is financing.

 

[Aimster]

The Arab states around Israel have no oil. The rest of the Arab states with oil dont give .02 about Israel or their business with Palestine.

 

[tvarad]

They don't give .02 because they got whupped into shape a long time ago by Israel. Iran is lining up for it's lesson.

 

[KurskKnyaz]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The Arab states around Israel have no oil. The rest of the Arab states with oil dont give .02 about Israel or their business with Palestine.

They do care about Palestinians ...when it is politically convenient for them.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: tvarad
They don't give .02 because they got whupped into shape a long time ago by Israel. Iran is lining up for it's lesson.

You are in la la land.

If Saudi Arabia wanted to they could invest 5x more than what they are investing into their military right now.

What is Israel going to use to stop a massive buildup of Saudi Arabian military equipment from Russia/China?
U.S is not going to sanction anything Saudi Arabia buys from Russia, so you are looking at a massive air force comprised of aircraft that are easily matched against Israeli F-16s.

Like I said Saudi Arabia doesnt give a ****** about Israel so their goal is not to build up their military.

 

[tvarad]

Aimster:

"Like I said Saudi Arabia doesnt give a ****** about Israel so their goal is not to build up their military."

Notice that I was talking about "the Arabs and Iranians who want to destroy Israel". Read the fine print.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: tvarad
Aimster:

"Like I said Saudi Arabia doesnt give a ****** about Israel so their goal is not to build up their military."

Notice that I was talking about "the Arabs and Iranians who want to destroy Israel". Read the fine print.

tvarad,

If arabs wanted to destroy Israel wouldnt it be wise for them to build nuclear reactors?
They have a right to build them and the U.S cannot pull the terrorist card on them like they are doing with Iran.

 

[tvarad]

Aimster:

"If arabs wanted to destroy Israel wouldnt it be wise for them to build nuclear reactors?"

And pray, what happened to the last reactor that the Arabs built?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: tvarad
Aimster:

"If arabs wanted to destroy Israel wouldnt it be wise for them to build nuclear reactors?"

And pray, what happened to the last reactor that the Arabs built?

Saddam couldn't hit Israel back.

Israel is not going to dare attack Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, UAE.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: tvarad
Aimster:

"If arabs wanted to destroy Israel wouldnt it be wise for them to build nuclear reactors?"

And pray, what happened to the last reactor that the Arabs built?

Saddam couldn't hit Israel back.

Israel is not going to dare attack Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, UAE.

Israel does not need to attack those countries. They are not acting beligerent toward it.
OF it's direct neighbors, onlyi syria and Lebanon have exhibit hostilities.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus

Originally posted by: tvarad
Tab:

"I would hope that if Israel did attack Iran unprovoked, the rest of the world would tell Israel it's alone on this one."

Since when has Israel not been alone in whatever it did to defend itself?

Since maybe the late 1940s when it became America's 51st Welfare State?

Check your history books again - and not just the Arab ones

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: tvarad
Aimster:

"If arabs wanted to destroy Israel wouldnt it be wise for them to build nuclear reactors?"

And pray, what happened to the last reactor that the Arabs built?

Saddam couldn't hit Israel back.

Israel is not going to dare attack Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, UAE.

Israel does not need to attack those countries. They are not acting beligerent toward it.
OF it's direct neighbors, onlyi syria and Lebanon have exhibit hostilities.

No I know my point was if the Arabs were truely against Israel they would be building nuclear reactors. I dont think anyone wants to mess with Israel anymore and have come to accept that they are their neighbor (cept for the countries below).

Israel would never allow syria, iran, iraq, lebanon to get nuclear technology. theyll die fighting for it at least I hope.

I think it would be a horrible mistake if any nation in that region decided to go ahead and build a nuclear reactor. However, what can you do to stop them? they have every right. Luckily they dont seem to be looking for that kind of technology YET.

 

[tvarad]

Aimster,
The irony is that Saudi Arabia and some other ME countries are contemplating nukes because Iran covets them.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
If arabs wanted to destroy Israel wouldnt it be wise for them to build nuclear reactors?
They have a right to build them and the U.S cannot pull the terrorist card on them like they are doing with Iran.

Isn't funny how they all stated talking about "nuclear energy" only after it was clear that Iran was going ahead with its nuke program for "peaceful" purposes.

BTW, don't you have any more comments regarding Hezbollah?

Originally posted by: Narmer
It'll be good for the Arabs in Middle East in particular and the world in general.

.. and then democracy will flourish in the Middle East, schools will be better in Morocco, and Hospitals will provide better service in Jordan, right?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Narmer
It'll be good for the Arabs in Middle East in particular and the world in general.

.. and then democracy will flourish in the Middle East, schools will be better in Morocco, and Hospitals will provide better service in Jordan, right?[/quote]

Neither I nor the Arabs care about any of that. All I'm saying is that they can and should just sit back, relax, and watch their two greatest enemies kill each other. It's like the perfect scenerio for them.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus

Originally posted by: tvarad
Tab:

"I would hope that if Israel did attack Iran unprovoked, the rest of the world would tell Israel it's alone on this one."

Since when has Israel not been alone in whatever it did to defend itself?

Since maybe the late 1940s when it became America's 51st Welfare State?

Check your history books again - and not just the Arab ones

Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus

Originally posted by: tvarad
Tab:

"I would hope that if Israel did attack Iran unprovoked, the rest of the world would tell Israel it's alone on this one."

Since when has Israel not been alone in whatever it did to defend itself?

Since maybe the late 1940s when it became America's 51st Welfare State?

He means in terms of actual fighting. BTW the US does not just give hard money to Israel. It's more like store credit at the US arsenal. Well-fare state? Give me a break, Israel sustains it's economy just fine without the U.S's help.

Arabs use these kinds of ridiculous terms in describing Israel or its actions in a more dramatic way, even though the terms don't apply. We've all heard that Israel commits genocide against Palestinians but only attacks a specific few, it is an apartheid state but all ethnic groups have equal legal rights, a welfare state with a sustained economy, a nuclear threat that never threatened anyone, a Jewish aggressor that has never started a war, ...etc

...but then again to an Arab, anyone who is dies is a martyr. ...heart attack - martyr ...auto collision - martyr ...chokes on food - martyr..Allah bless him

you get the idea, just cut the BS

This kind of knee-jerk response to any criticism of Israel really doesn't help its cause. I forget hyperboles are lost in ATPN, but my history books were published in America, I went to public American primary schools, and I went to public American universities (including an undergrad minor in history). I had just a few more pro-Israeli (including many Jewish) teachers than anti-Israeli Arab teachers (none).

Israel has received about $100 billion in one form of US aid or another since 1949 - far, far more than the US has given to any other foreign nation. Israel isn't even required by the US to account for how its aid is spent. The last time I checked, Israel receives something like 25% of all American foreign aid.

In terms of actual fighting? Please. Whose weapons are the Israelis using? Whose money was spent on those weapons?

I'm not by any means against the state of Israel or pro-Arab. I fully recognize that the American-Israeli relationship benefits the US (especially in regards to our joint military r & d & intelligence). But Israel is not above criticism, and to think Israel would even exist if not for US aid is downright delusional. Maybe Israel has a sustained economy, but what do you think would happen to it if the US stopped all aid to it overnight? Show some gratitude - there are a lot of Americans who could use the money we give to Israel.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Narmer
Neither I nor the Arabs care about any of that. All I'm saying is that they can and should just sit back, relax, and watch their two greatest enemies kill each other. It's like the perfect scenerio for them.

You are nothing but a brainwashed tool, a disposable peon -- like so many Arabs in the Middle East. (edit: to those who hold the power)

If your wet dream ever comes true, and the scapegoat disappears, then the Arab leaders will have to turn on their own people or on their neightbors in order to rationalize the sorry state of their countries. It will be Iraq, but on a larger scale, and this time without the US army around to control the fallout.

 

[Slackware]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Narmer
Neither I nor the Arabs care about any of that. All I'm saying is that they can and should just sit back, relax, and watch their two greatest enemies kill each other. It's like the perfect scenerio for them.

You are nothing but a brainwashed tool, a disposable peon -- like so many Arabs in the Middle East.

If your wet dream ever comes true, and the scapegoat disappears, then the Arab leaders will have to turn on their own people or on their neightbors in order to rationalize the sorry state of their countries. It will be Iraq, but on a larger scale, and this time without the US army around to control the fallout.

The US basically took their intelligence and scrapped it, you think ANYONE is goint go believe in it now?

We ALL know that the claims about a direct threat and WMD's and the means to deliver them mwere false (did anyone see their UAV's it was balsa hobby planes, that was what they had, not even the chemicals to glue it together, they were held together with duct tape and THIS ladies and gentlemen was presented as an immediate threat?

You are a smart one dna, do you know WHY the arabs who become terrorists becaome terroriss, let me kill your mom and dad and see how you feel about me, or steal your land for my own profit.

The US pretty much is reaping what it has sown. And whether you belive it or not, Israel can take care of it' own just fine and does.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: tvarad
Aimster,
The irony is that Saudi Arabia and some other ME countries are contemplating nukes because Iran covets them.

Saudi Arabia - In 2003, members of the government stated that due to the worsening relations with the USA, Saudi Arabia was being forced to consider the development of nuclear weapons; however, so far they have denied that they are making any attempt to produce them.[22] It has been rumoured that Pakistan has transferred several nuclear weapons to Saudi Arabia, but this is unconfirmed.[23] In March 2006, the German magazine Cicero reported that Saudi Arabia had since 2003 received assistance from Pakistan to acquire nuclear missiles and warheads. Satellite photos allegedly reveal an underground city and nuclear silos with Ghauri rockets south of the capital Riyadh.[24] Pakistan has denied aiding Saudi Arabia in any nuclear ambitions.

List of states with nuclear weapons

Maybe this needs some updating?

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Slackware
You are a smart one dna, do you know WHY the arabs who become terrorists becaome terroriss, let me kill your mom and dad and see how you feel about me, or steal your land for my own profit.

You can invoke folklore as much as you want; let me know when you want to discuss something seriously.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Aimster
If arabs wanted to destroy Israel wouldnt it be wise for them to build nuclear reactors?
They have a right to build them and the U.S cannot pull the terrorist card on them like they are doing with Iran.

Isn't funny how they all stated talking about "nuclear energy" only after it was clear that Iran was going ahead with its nuke program for "peaceful" purposes.

BTW, don't you have any more comments regarding Hezbollah?

Originally posted by: Narmer
It'll be good for the Arabs in Middle East in particular and the world in general.

.. and then democracy will flourish in the Middle East, schools will be better in Morocco, and Hospitals will provide better service in Jordan, right?

uhm what do u want me to say about hezbollah? you are an issrali fanboy so I am not going to waste my time for u to brag about how wonderful and perfect israel is.

what does arabs wanting to build nuclear energy because of Iran have a single thing to do with Israel?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: tvarad
Aimster,
The irony is that Saudi Arabia and some other ME countries are contemplating nukes because Iran covets them.

Arabs dont like Persians, they see them as a threat.
Hate is the word I would describe it.

 

[fornax]

Originally posted by: Lothar
He didn't say it's the "best tank" ever.
An M1A2 Abrams *should* win vs. a Merkava in a deathmatch contest, no question.

The problem is that a Merkava is unlikely to be in such situations very often. The big tank battles of WWII (and some later events) are probably a thing of the past (at least as far as Israel is concerned). And no tank is going to do well in urban battles. Any tank will be an easy prey to not only modern, but even obsolete anti-tank weapons. Virtually all cases where tanks were used in such circumstances were a disaster (for the tanks, that is).