***Israel Planning Tactical Nuclear Attack***

[KurskKnyaz]

RPG-29 can launch anti-tank projectiles. it's not just a rocket propelled grenade.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
yes, I think Israel would fight Hezbollah forces in the cities because that is where they are going to be. They are not going to go out in the open for their troops to die.

& yeah civilians are always all over. They dont magically disappear.

So, talking about hypothetical situations is your way of avoiding the fact that Hezbollah was responsible for the civilians amidst which they decided to fight?
Also, given Hezbollah's responsibility, you do not expect Israel to go in and clean a town house by house while making sure they didn't soil the doormat, do you?

As for the civilians, the vast majority "magically" moved north and into Syria.

 

[Aimster]

hmm how about not enter the town in the first place?

block it off maybe?

 

[imported_dna]

You're kidding, right?
What's next? A siege force? A trebuchet?

What you're doing -- yet again -- relieving Hezbollah from any responsibility, and placing it on Israel. You're practically saying that Hezbollah can fire from within towns, but Israel must not respond in any way.

 

[Aimster]

how is hezbollah going to fire from towns and hit israeli troops?

Anything that fires a long distance can be spotted by aircraft

Yet Israel attacked towns that were not firing anything at Israeli troops because they were too far, ex: beirut.

 

[imported_dna]

You're just a little know-it-all, aren't you?

A simple example would be the AT-14 missile which has a range of up to 5.5km.

And again, with Beirut.... tell me, where do you get your intel from?

EDIT: here you go, so you'll shut up about Beirut already: IDF: Hezbollah leaders' bunker hit

Hezbollah said via its Al-Manar television station that none of its leaders was in the bunker at the time of the huge Israeli airstrike. Hezbollah earlier said Israel hit a religious center with the attack.

Ain't that funny how they first said that it was a religious center.....

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Aimster
hmm how about not enter the town in the first place?

block it off maybe?

Given the size of towns/cities; that would be difficult.

Try to impose a blockage around Washington DC. How many troops do you think it might take. If DC is to big of an area to consider; think of any large shopping mall that might be the size of a small village. You are not talking ab out 20-30 small buildings.

 

[g8wayrebel]

What planet do you live on?
The stealth isn't necessary for a high level flyover , which is easily acceptable for a high precision tactical nuke(the altitude is congruent with the device since it is designed to
penetrate deep before detonation).
If they do it , no one is going to wonder who it was.
The range is not even close to an issue for even some of the less than
modern fighter bombers the Israelis have. It is only the very brink of technology that we haven't provided to Israel.
The manpower is a matter of about 10 jets in a simultaneous attack on ,as discussed in the article , three primary targets.
This could easily come to fruition.

I am quite sure we have similar plans available for Iran , as well as North Korea , right now , which could just as easily become reality.

 

[ForumMaster]

as much as I'd like the Iranian nuclear threat gone, it ain't gonna happen. not like this anyway. Iran learned from Iraq's mistakes. all of it's nuclear facilities are buried deep underground under at least 70 ft of concrete and steel. this is the reason a nuclear bunker bomb might be needed.however, Iran also didn't place all of it's nuclear facilities in one place so it is going to be hard to completely take them out. second, this was reported by the British Sunday times. no offense to any British members but many British papers have a knack to report fiction.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: ForumMaster
as much as I'd like the Iranian nuclear threat gone, it ain't gonna happen. not like this anyway. Iran learned from Iraq's mistakes. all of it's nuclear facilities are buried deep underground under at least 70 ft of concrete and steel. this is the reason a nuclear bunker bomb might be needed.however, Iran also didn't place all of it's nuclear facilities in one place so it is going to be hard to completely take them out. second, this was reported by the British Sunday times. no offense to any British members but many British papers have a knack to report fiction.

I believe this paper printing something similar over a year ago. Some plan of action that never happened etc.

I would like to see someone take out Iran?s nuke sites, either Israel or us. The UN is going to dick around on this till it is too late, like North Korea.

As far as their program being spread out, the time they are most vulnerable to attack is before the have enough stuff to build the bombs since they have to enrich it at one place. So you hit them while they are in the enrichment state and put a stop to it.

 

[eits]

the world is coming to an end... how beautiful.

 

[fubar569]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The question is , when is it right to kill civilians? Is it ok to kill civilians if they support your enemy? is it ok to kill civilians if there is a chance that they might join your enemy?

in a real war? you're god dammed right it is...

the reason why war is not fought like war used to be is the ****** media placing some pussified liberal twist on EVERYTHING...

did hitler care how many jews he killed? no...did hitler care how many of whoever was in front of his army he killed? no....did we care how many axis troops we killed? no - did we care how many civilians we killed along the way? if they were fighting against us or supporting those who did...****** NO WE DIDN'T - IT'S A ****** WAR!!!

THE POINT OF WAR IS NOT TO DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRY, BUT TO MAKE THE OTHER BASTARD DIE FOR HIS!!!

 

[bobsmith1492]

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel doesnt have the means or the weapons to attack Iran.

A) their range is too far
B) their aircraft are not stealth
C) they do not have enough manpower to attack all of the sites unless they decide to send in a major wave which would be easily picked up.

The U.S is going to attack Iran with stealth aircraft and cruise missiles.
Iran cannot do a thing to stop those.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if Israel did attack iran with conventional aircraft, while at the same time the US actually slipped some stealth aircraft through the confusion and dropped our tac nukes.

(or we dropped THEIR tac nukes, so that it looked like THEY did it.)

Don't know if anyone mentioned this, but read up on Israel's strike on Iraq's reactor-to-be - it was an incredible raid where some Israeli jets flew super low for a long way to avoid radar. You can't discount ingenuity and bravery in these matters.

Here's the first Google hit: http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/facility/osiraq.htm

 

[Slackware]

Originally posted by: fubar569

Originally posted by: Aimster
The question is , when is it right to kill civilians? Is it ok to kill civilians if they support your enemy? is it ok to kill civilians if there is a chance that they might join your enemy?

in a real war? you're god dammed right it is...

the reason why war is not fought like war used to be is the ****** media placing some pussified liberal twist on EVERYTHING...

did hitler care how many jews he killed? no...did hitler care how many of whoever was in front of his army he killed? no....did we care how many axis troops we killed? no - did we care how many civilians we killed along the way? if they were fighting against us or supporting those who did...****** NO WE DIDN'T - IT'S A ****** WAR!!!

THE POINT OF WAR IS NOT TO DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRY, BUT TO MAKE THE OTHER BASTARD DIE FOR HIS!!!

You just declared the entire civilian population of the US an enemy of whoever is fighting the US.

You are by far the biggest idiot i have evver had the misfortune to reply to.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: fubar569

Originally posted by: Aimster
The question is , when is it right to kill civilians? Is it ok to kill civilians if they support your enemy? is it ok to kill civilians if there is a chance that they might join your enemy?

in a real war? you're god dammed right it is...

the reason why war is not fought like war used to be is the ****** media placing some pussified liberal twist on EVERYTHING...

did hitler care how many jews he killed? no...did hitler care how many of whoever was in front of his army he killed? no....did we care how many axis troops we killed? no - did we care how many civilians we killed along the way? if they were fighting against us or supporting those who did...****** NO WE DIDN'T - IT'S A ****** WAR!!!

THE POINT OF WAR IS NOT TO DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRY, BUT TO MAKE THE OTHER BASTARD DIE FOR HIS!!!

You just declared the entire civilian population of the US an enemy of whoever is fighting the US.

You are by far the biggest idiot i have evver had the misfortune to reply to.

our enemies have already named the entire civilian population of the US as their enemy. They have already declared their intent to kill any American, anywhere, any time.

Where have you been? Living under a European rock?

 

[Slackware]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: fubar569

Originally posted by: Aimster
The question is , when is it right to kill civilians? Is it ok to kill civilians if they support your enemy? is it ok to kill civilians if there is a chance that they might join your enemy?

in a real war? you're god dammed right it is...

the reason why war is not fought like war used to be is the ****** media placing some pussified liberal twist on EVERYTHING...

did hitler care how many jews he killed? no...did hitler care how many of whoever was in front of his army he killed? no....did we care how many axis troops we killed? no - did we care how many civilians we killed along the way? if they were fighting against us or supporting those who did...****** NO WE DIDN'T - IT'S A ****** WAR!!!

THE POINT OF WAR IS NOT TO DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRY, BUT TO MAKE THE OTHER BASTARD DIE FOR HIS!!!

You just declared the entire civilian population of the US an enemy of whoever is fighting the US.

You are by far the biggest idiot i have evver had the misfortune to reply to.

our enemies have already named the entire civilian population of the US as their enemy. They have already declared their intent to kill any American, anywhere, any time.

Where have you been? Living under a European rock?

A justifiable target is what i meant, i'm sorry, i didn't know you were so fvcking stupid that i had to spell it out for you but apparently no one else, only you are stupid enough to need clarification of the most obvious things, you seargant of the boobahs or something?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: fubar569

Originally posted by: Aimster
The question is , when is it right to kill civilians? Is it ok to kill civilians if they support your enemy? is it ok to kill civilians if there is a chance that they might join your enemy?

in a real war? you're god dammed right it is...

the reason why war is not fought like war used to be is the ****** media placing some pussified liberal twist on EVERYTHING...

did hitler care how many jews he killed? no...did hitler care how many of whoever was in front of his army he killed? no....did we care how many axis troops we killed? no - did we care how many civilians we killed along the way? if they were fighting against us or supporting those who did...****** NO WE DIDN'T - IT'S A ****** WAR!!!

THE POINT OF WAR IS NOT TO DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRY, BUT TO MAKE THE OTHER BASTARD DIE FOR HIS!!!

You just declared the entire civilian population of the US an enemy of whoever is fighting the US.

You are by far the biggest idiot i have evver had the misfortune to reply to.

our enemies have already named the entire civilian population of the US as their enemy. They have already declared their intent to kill any American, anywhere, any time.

Where have you been? Living under a European rock?

A justifiable target is what i meant, i'm sorry, i didn't know you were so fvcking stupid that i had to spell it out for you but apparently no one else, only you are stupid enough to need clarification of the most obvious things, you seargant of the boobahs or something?

since English appears to be your second language, I will forgive you this time...

 

[Slackware]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: fubar569

Originally posted by: Aimster
The question is , when is it right to kill civilians? Is it ok to kill civilians if they support your enemy? is it ok to kill civilians if there is a chance that they might join your enemy?

in a real war? you're god dammed right it is...

the reason why war is not fought like war used to be is the ****** media placing some pussified liberal twist on EVERYTHING...

did hitler care how many jews he killed? no...did hitler care how many of whoever was in front of his army he killed? no....did we care how many axis troops we killed? no - did we care how many civilians we killed along the way? if they were fighting against us or supporting those who did...****** NO WE DIDN'T - IT'S A ****** WAR!!!

THE POINT OF WAR IS NOT TO DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRY, BUT TO MAKE THE OTHER BASTARD DIE FOR HIS!!!

You just declared the entire civilian population of the US an enemy of whoever is fighting the US.

You are by far the biggest idiot i have evver had the misfortune to reply to.

our enemies have already named the entire civilian population of the US as their enemy. They have already declared their intent to kill any American, anywhere, any time.

Where have you been? Living under a European rock?

A justifiable target is what i meant, i'm sorry, i didn't know you were so fvcking stupid that i had to spell it out for you but apparently no one else, only you are stupid enough to need clarification of the most obvious things, you seargant of the boobahs or something?

since English appears to be your second language, I will forgive you this time...

While English is my second language my first point was obviously clear and you chose to misunderstand so i had to clarify it for your dumb ass.

You still have not responded to my initial post, at all...

At least not honestly.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: fubar569

Originally posted by: Aimster
The question is , when is it right to kill civilians? Is it ok to kill civilians if they support your enemy? is it ok to kill civilians if there is a chance that they might join your enemy?

in a real war? you're god dammed right it is...

the reason why war is not fought like war used to be is the ****** media placing some pussified liberal twist on EVERYTHING...

did hitler care how many jews he killed? no...did hitler care how many of whoever was in front of his army he killed? no....did we care how many axis troops we killed? no - did we care how many civilians we killed along the way? if they were fighting against us or supporting those who did...****** NO WE DIDN'T - IT'S A ****** WAR!!!

THE POINT OF WAR IS NOT TO DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRY, BUT TO MAKE THE OTHER BASTARD DIE FOR HIS!!!

You just declared the entire civilian population of the US an enemy of whoever is fighting the US.

You are by far the biggest idiot i have evver had the misfortune to reply to.

our enemies have already named the entire civilian population of the US as their enemy. They have already declared their intent to kill any American, anywhere, any time.

Where have you been? Living under a European rock?

A justifiable target is what i meant, i'm sorry, i didn't know you were so fvcking stupid that i had to spell it out for you but apparently no one else, only you are stupid enough to need clarification of the most obvious things, you seargant of the boobahs or something?

since English appears to be your second language, I will forgive you this time...

While English is my second language my first point was obviously clear and you chose to misunderstand so i had to clarify it for your dumb ass.

You still have not responded to my initial post, at all...

At least not honestly.

wait.. what? which "first post?"

 

[Slackware]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: fubar569

Originally posted by: Aimster
The question is , when is it right to kill civilians? Is it ok to kill civilians if they support your enemy? is it ok to kill civilians if there is a chance that they might join your enemy?

in a real war? you're god dammed right it is...

the reason why war is not fought like war used to be is the ****** media placing some pussified liberal twist on EVERYTHING...

did hitler care how many jews he killed? no...did hitler care how many of whoever was in front of his army he killed? no....did we care how many axis troops we killed? no - did we care how many civilians we killed along the way? if they were fighting against us or supporting those who did...****** NO WE DIDN'T - IT'S A ****** WAR!!!

THE POINT OF WAR IS NOT TO DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRY, BUT TO MAKE THE OTHER BASTARD DIE FOR HIS!!!

You just declared the entire civilian population of the US an enemy of whoever is fighting the US.

You are by far the biggest idiot i have evver had the misfortune to reply to.

our enemies have already named the entire civilian population of the US as their enemy. They have already declared their intent to kill any American, anywhere, any time.

Where have you been? Living under a European rock?

A justifiable target is what i meant, i'm sorry, i didn't know you were so fvcking stupid that i had to spell it out for you but apparently no one else, only you are stupid enough to need clarification of the most obvious things, you seargant of the boobahs or something?

since English appears to be your second language, I will forgive you this time...

While English is my second language my first point was obviously clear and you chose to misunderstand so i had to clarify it for your dumb ass.

You still have not responded to my initial post, at all...

At least not honestly.

wait.. what? which "first post?"

No habla?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: fubar569

Originally posted by: Aimster
The question is , when is it right to kill civilians? Is it ok to kill civilians if they support your enemy? is it ok to kill civilians if there is a chance that they might join your enemy?

in a real war? you're god dammed right it is...

the reason why war is not fought like war used to be is the ****** media placing some pussified liberal twist on EVERYTHING...

did hitler care how many jews he killed? no...did hitler care how many of whoever was in front of his army he killed? no....did we care how many axis troops we killed? no - did we care how many civilians we killed along the way? if they were fighting against us or supporting those who did...****** NO WE DIDN'T - IT'S A ****** WAR!!!

THE POINT OF WAR IS NOT TO DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRY, BUT TO MAKE THE OTHER BASTARD DIE FOR HIS!!!

You just declared the entire civilian population of the US an enemy of whoever is fighting the US.

You are by far the biggest idiot i have evver had the misfortune to reply to.

our enemies have already named the entire civilian population of the US as their enemy. They have already declared their intent to kill any American, anywhere, any time.

Where have you been? Living under a European rock?

A justifiable target is what i meant, i'm sorry, i didn't know you were so fvcking stupid that i had to spell it out for you but apparently no one else, only you are stupid enough to need clarification of the most obvious things, you seargant of the boobahs or something?

since English appears to be your second language, I will forgive you this time...

While English is my second language my first point was obviously clear and you chose to misunderstand so i had to clarify it for your dumb ass.

You still have not responded to my initial post, at all...

At least not honestly.

wait.. what? which "first post?"

No habla?

your "first post" was the one I first responded to. It's the one wherein you called Fubar "the biggest idiot i have evver had the misfortune to reply to."

was there some deep philosophical or strategic point that I missed? What exactly am I supposed to be responding to beyond correcting your screwed up attempt to disrespect Fubar?

 

[fubar569]

Originally posted by: Slackware

Originally posted by: fubar569

Originally posted by: Aimster
The question is , when is it right to kill civilians? Is it ok to kill civilians if they support your enemy? is it ok to kill civilians if there is a chance that they might join your enemy?

in a real war? you're god dammed right it is...

the reason why war is not fought like war used to be is the ****** media placing some pussified liberal twist on EVERYTHING...

did hitler care how many jews he killed? no...did hitler care how many of whoever was in front of his army he killed? no....did we care how many axis troops we killed? no - did we care how many civilians we killed along the way? if they were fighting against us or supporting those who did...****** NO WE DIDN'T - IT'S A ****** WAR!!!

THE POINT OF WAR IS NOT TO DIE FOR YOUR COUNTRY, BUT TO MAKE THE OTHER BASTARD DIE FOR HIS!!!

You just declared the entire civilian population of the US an enemy of whoever is fighting the US.

You are by far the biggest idiot i have evver had the misfortune to reply to.

they have already declared war on US...do they care how many of us they kill? NO...hell to them the more the better! must be an extra virgin for every 30 americans killed or whatever that ratio is...the point of the matter is they simply do not care about what lies in between, only the end result. if it means vaporizing 500,000 people to accomplish thier twisted and misguided goals then thats what they'll do...

you simply cannot rationalize and negotiate with an enemy like that.

I see pictures everyday of children...CHILDREN standing and stomping on an american flag chanting death to bush and kill americans and blah blah blah...they dont know any better...thier society has bred them and raised them to think we are the devil and to kill americans wherever they go...you can't just walk up to them and say "here's a lolipop...now go play nice with sally" - that ****** won't fly...

the only way we are going to win this battle of ideologies...and sadly it's not the way anyone wants to tread...is to eliminate them before they eliminate us. afterall they said they are waging war on us...it's about ****** time we started fighting back...if they wanna kill 3,000 americans then fine...lets wipe a couple villages off the map...men, women, children, pets, everything...it doesnt matter to them who or what they kill so why should it matter to us? some will argue that makes us no better than the terrorists. however, by taking the high road we haven't gained one single thing. war is not won with concessions and negotiations...war is won by kicking ass and taking names...this isnt child's play anymore...this has gone beyond idle threats...they have been egging us on for years and years and years and no one has done anything about it. NOW we are facing the boiling point of years of indecision and confusion over what to do...do we continue to backpedal and let them strike anywhere at anytime? or do we fight back?

the media will have you think we are the criminals for any agression whatsoever. if we kill a pet goldfish in a bombing raid all of a sudden we are the devil...well guess what...in a war, people die. there is collateral damage, stuff gets destroyed, women and children loose lives...well ****** happens doesn't it? war is war...and people fight and people die...

it's about time america crawls out of this foxhole we've dug ourselves, grow some balls, and take care of a little long nagging problem...

this is not all that different than WW1 or WW2...an enemy has a goal...the goal does nto mesh well with america or its allies...infact, that enemy wishes to in a way dominate the world...in thier eyes the only people that are right are themselves...

what did we do then? got up off our asses and took care of business...who's left standing? not them...

so the enemy has changed its tactics this time...so must we change ours...the only way to beat them is to think like them and fight like them...but with a greater resolve...it may take many lives to get there...but like them we should no longer be thinking about the path we take, but the end result...how can we accomplish OUR goal with least total losses...is 30,000 troops worth it now? is 100,000 worth it now? to save the lives of several million americans...in my eyes i'd rather address the issue NOW then let this ****** boil over anymore than it already has...President Truman made the move no other world leader has done, and that is drop the bomb...should we do that now? im not saying that...what i am saying is the president knew he was fighting a war...he knew the rules of engagement and he knew the resolve and thought process of the enemy...it is long said a land invasion would have brought hundreds of thousands of casualties on both sides...so he dropped the bomb...200k dead in the flash of an eye, but he saved so many millions more...the war was ended within days instead of dragging out for years...just think how many of your parents/grandparents might have fought that battle if he hadn't made that decision...most of you might not even exist today if it weren't for him...be thankful at least someone had the balls to stand up and end things...

this is what we have to do now...stand up against them...wether alone or not, and show them they cant...and wont win...it's now or never...what are you gonna do?

 

[tbrooks40]

how do you people continue with this warmungering while our troop contine to die in iraq for all the wrong reasons!

further, it's totally f'd up that some of you will jump right behind isreals hypocrisy, as they plan to attack this country with the very same technology they are basing their reason for attack on.

some of you never fail to amaze me!

 

[fubar569]

Originally posted by: tbrooks40
how do you people continue with this warmungering while our troop contine to die in iraq for all the wrong reasons!

further, it's totally f'd up that some of you will jump right behind isreals hypocrisy, as they plan to attack this country with the very same technology they are basing their reason for attack on.

some of you never fail to amaze me!

so you would let iran arm themselves, and kill millions...i liken the responsibility of posessing nukes to that of having a CCW permit...you gotta know when and where to use it...in this case iran just wants them to kill anyone not aligning with them and thier way of life. they are a threat and a danger to us and our allies wherever we may be. if they are allowed to get the bomb, who knows where they might use it...or god forbid they let someone else use it...if one or two well placed underground weapons saves my ass 20 years down the road then so be it...

better yet lets pose it this way...if YOU were the leader of Israel...and on your doorstep you had a radical islamic government publicly on a world stage denonce your existance and pledge to wipe you off the face of the planet...and this country was actively pursuing atomic weaponry...wouldnt you have reason to believe they just might use it to accomplish that goal? how would you react? would you sit down to a dinner table and let them mock you over and over while blowing smoke in the worlds eyes...or stand up and tell them to stuff it up thier ass and STOP them before they even got that far?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna
You're just a little know-it-all, aren't you?

A simple example would be the AT-14 missile which has a range of up to 5.5km.

And again, with Beirut.... tell me, where do you get your intel from?

EDIT: here you go, so you'll shut up about Beirut already: IDF: Hezbollah leaders' bunker hit

Hezbollah said via its Al-Manar television station that none of its leaders was in the bunker at the time of the huge Israeli airstrike. Hezbollah earlier said Israel hit a religious center with the attack.

Ain't that funny how they first said that it was a religious center.....

uhm... Christian neighborhoods were hit in Beirut. Hundreds of targets were hit.

Power was knocked out. Water was knocked out.

War with Hezbollah or Lebanon?