Lebanon was letting Hezbollah/syria be in control. Sleeping in the same bed.
It was not until the bed caught on fire did Lebanon complain.
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: dna
You're just a little know-it-all, aren't you?
A simple example would be the AT-14 missile which has a range of up to 5.5km.
And again, with Beirut.... tell me, where do you get your intel from?
EDIT: here you go, so you'll shut up about Beirut already: IDF: Hezbollah leaders' bunker hit
Hezbollah said via its Al-Manar television station that none of its leaders was in the bunker at the time of the huge Israeli airstrike. Hezbollah earlier said Israel hit a religious center with the attack.
Ain't that funny how they first said that it was a religious center.....
uhm... Christian neighborhoods were hit in Beirut. Hundreds of targets were hit.
Power was knocked out. Water was knocked out.
War with Hezbollah or Lebanon?
Originally posted by: Aimster
uhm... Christian neighborhoods were hit in Beirut. Hundreds of targets were hit.
Power was knocked out. Water was knocked out.
War with Hezbollah or Lebanon?
Originally posted by: fubar569
Originally posted by: tbrooks40
how do you people continue with this warmungering while our troop contine to die in iraq for all the wrong reasons!
further, it's totally f'd up that some of you will jump right behind isreals hypocrisy, as they plan to attack this country with the very same technology they are basing their reason for attack on.
some of you never fail to amaze me!
so you would let iran arm themselves, and kill millions...i liken the responsibility of posessing nukes to that of having a CCW permit...you gotta know when and where to use it...in this case iran just wants them to kill anyone not aligning with them and thier way of life. they are a threat and a danger to us and our allies wherever we may be. if they are allowed to get the bomb, who knows where they might use it...or god forbid they let someone else use it...if one or two well placed underground weapons saves my ass 20 years down the road then so be it...
better yet lets pose it this way...if YOU were the leader of Israel...and on your doorstep you had a radical islamic government publicly on a world stage denonce your existance and pledge to wipe you off the face of the planet...and this country was actively pursuing atomic weaponry...wouldnt you have reason to believe they just might use it to accomplish that goal? how would you react? would you sit down to a dinner table and let them mock you over and over while blowing smoke in the worlds eyes...or stand up and tell them to stuff it up thier ass and STOP them before they even got that far?
and everything you write here is the same.. so what's your point?Originally posted by: tbrooks40
EVERYTHING you just said was straight off the 6 o'clock (or should i say 6 o'shock) news and has absolutely no factual basis whatsoever!
I'd rather err on the side of caution and see their program destroyed. When I gamble, I like to stack the deck in my favor...me nor you have the slightest idea why iran is seeking nuclear technology. they say it to enjoy the same technological and economic advances nuclear power provides the us, uk, and even isreal.
that's funny! I've never seen any Israeli suicide units...there are just as many EXTREMIST in and around the isreali government as there are in iran
All responsible militaries wargame every possible option. Nuclear bunker-busting bombs are very low-yield bombs equivalent to five or six MOABs. They are also just one of the options Israeli has at their disposal.yet we obviously weren't that worried about them wiping out everything within nukes reach. isreal is out of control... i can't believe they are actually considering nuclear warfare on any level.
what other form of "negotiating" is there when the enemy absolutely refuses to stop their programs?! Our enemies are not rational people -- they think that the oil they have at their disposal is enough to blackmail the rest of the world into allowing them to do whatever they wish.our govenment continues to over step our bounds around the world. instead of exercising diplomacy and spreading democracy, we have gotten into the habit of threatening with sanctions and/or force.
That's where you're wrong though. Quite often it's not the people of a country that don't want democracy, it's the religious leaders or government officials in that country that do not want democracy. In other words, those who have power now are afraid that democracy will lead to the end of their power. The actual citizens on the streets want democracy -- I'm sure you recall the incredible turnouts at all of the elections thus far in Afghanistan and Iraq.the us is slowly becoming the totalitarian leader our global society. i mean, if other countries don't want our democracy, we sure shouldn't force feed it to them.
Originally posted by: tbrooks40
EVERYTHING you just said was straight off the 6 o'clock (or should i say 6 o'shock) news and has absolutely no factual basis whatsoever!
me nor you have the slightest idea why iran is seeking nuclear technology. they say it to enjoy the same technological and economic advances nuclear power provides the us, uk, and even isreal.
Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran's leader is not akmadahskadhsakjda
Originally posted by: Aimster
yep,
anyone who rules Iran is an idiot and needs to be wiped off the map.
Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_Merkava,,00.html
... long meaningless advertisement deleted...
Hope that clears things up for you aimster
Originally posted by: fubar569
Originally posted by: tbrooks40
EVERYTHING you just said was straight off the 6 o'clock (or should i say 6 o'shock) news and has absolutely no factual basis whatsoever!
me nor you have the slightest idea why iran is seeking nuclear technology. they say it to enjoy the same technological and economic advances nuclear power provides the us, uk, and even isreal.
riiiiggggghhhhtttt....
so now im a government puppet i suppose...considering i'm the only staunch opponent of the republican administration in this town...oh wait thats because i happen to have chosen to read and educate MYSELF instead of letting bush force feed me bullshit...
you cannot sit here and DENY THE FACT that:
1. iran has been and continues to be a sponsor of GLOBAL TERRORISM
2. iran has been meddling in iraqi affairs
3. who has been arming hezbollah? the US?
4. iran has publically denounced Israel's existance and pledged to wipe it off the face of the planet
5. iran continues to defy the will of the world in the pursuit of nuclear technology
6. iran's leader himself has also pretty much denounced the existance of the united states of america and given our opponents a means to strike us wether it be actual equipment or monetary funding to do so
7. and on and on and on...
if i had this idiot on my doorstep and I was the leader of israel or any other self-sustaining nation, the threat would've been ERASED A LONG TIME AGO. iran's current leadership is a menace and a danger to the world...
also, answer me this...
if thier nuclear program was solely for the purpose of providing nuclear power and had no potiental weapons capability whatsoever...why do they have hardened underground facilities? why the secrecy? why won't they simply comply with western demands or accept some sort of compromise?....conversely, if the program is for weapons production, gee that would seem to explain quite a few things now wouldnt it? the shroud of secrecy, the underground compounds, the public boasting of a irrational and borderline psycopathic leader...etc...you don't compile a peaceful program in a total shroud of secrecy in underground hardened compounds and then not mention a word to anyone until the cat is out of the bag...
would you trust him telling you he was gonna go to the grocery store and bring back dinner? hell i wouldnt trust the guy for 2 minutes alone on the toilet...
you can continue to live in your happy little world...meanwhile i'll be out here in the real one hoping somebody will stand up and do what we need to do...
Originally posted by: tbrooks40
Originally posted by: fubar569
Originally posted by: tbrooks40
EVERYTHING you just said was straight off the 6 o'clock (or should i say 6 o'shock) news and has absolutely no factual basis whatsoever!
me nor you have the slightest idea why iran is seeking nuclear technology. they say it to enjoy the same technological and economic advances nuclear power provides the us, uk, and even isreal.
riiiiggggghhhhtttt....
so now im a government puppet i suppose...considering i'm the only staunch opponent of the republican administration in this town...oh wait thats because i happen to have chosen to read and educate MYSELF instead of letting bush force feed me bullshit...
you cannot sit here and DENY THE FACT that:
1. iran has been and continues to be a sponsor of GLOBAL TERRORISM
2. iran has been meddling in iraqi affairs
3. who has been arming hezbollah? the US?
4. iran has publically denounced Israel's existance and pledged to wipe it off the face of the planet
5. iran continues to defy the will of the world in the pursuit of nuclear technology
6. iran's leader himself has also pretty much denounced the existance of the united states of america and given our opponents a means to strike us wether it be actual equipment or monetary funding to do so
7. and on and on and on...
if i had this idiot on my doorstep and I was the leader of israel or any other self-sustaining nation, the threat would've been ERASED A LONG TIME AGO. iran's current leadership is a menace and a danger to the world...
also, answer me this...
if thier nuclear program was solely for the purpose of providing nuclear power and had no potiental weapons capability whatsoever...why do they have hardened underground facilities? why the secrecy? why won't they simply comply with western demands or accept some sort of compromise?....conversely, if the program is for weapons production, gee that would seem to explain quite a few things now wouldnt it? the shroud of secrecy, the underground compounds, the public boasting of a irrational and borderline psycopathic leader...etc...you don't compile a peaceful program in a total shroud of secrecy in underground hardened compounds and then not mention a word to anyone until the cat is out of the bag...
would you trust him telling you he was gonna go to the grocery store and bring back dinner? hell i wouldnt trust the guy for 2 minutes alone on the toilet...
you can continue to live in your happy little world...meanwhile i'll be out here in the real one hoping somebody will stand up and do what we need to do...
1. iran has been and continues to be a sponsor of GLOBAL TERRORISM
2. iran has been meddling in iraqi affairs
3. who has been arming hezbollah? the US?
4. iran has publically denounced Israel's existance and pledged to wipe it off the face of the planet
5. iran continues to defy the will of the world in the pursuit of nuclear technology
6. iran's leader himself has also pretty much denounced the existance of the united states of america and given our opponents a means to strike us wether it be actual equipment or monetary funding to do so
7. and on and on and on...
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1 - 3) What is your source of information? George Bush? Sharon? You?
4) And the US, UK, and many others have voiced their disapproval with Iran's leader - SO WHAT! Until you show me proof that he's done ANYTHING but talk like everyone else talks about whatever they'd like to then this is nothing!
5) Umm, everyone else has nuclear power - who are we to stop other countries from attaining nuclear advancements just b/c we THINK they MIGHT allow the technology to fall into the wrong hands, or as some of you seem to think, that they'd be stupid enough to point a weapon at the Isreal or the US.
6) iran's leader himself has also pretty much denounced... so has he denounced the US's existance or kinda, pretty much, almost, denounced the US?
7) LOL
we know by your messages that if you were president you'd have invaded iraq and iran and afghanistan and cuba and africa all at the same time huh? well, that's whats wrong with the us... just because we think some people might or could or would possibly do something against our policies is no reason to invade their country.
Now that's the problem... these people don't owe the US or any other country a damn thing! When the US and Russia started their nuclear programs do you think they called and got clearance from Saddam or whoever the Saudi leader is?
Hell no, so why in the hell are we expecting anyone else around the world to do anything similar? We have absolutely no business interferring with Iran, Iraq, or any other country's business because we sure as hell don't accept anyone dictating to us! This double standard BS is just that - BS!
Just because we fear other countries having weapons like we have isn't a reason to impede the progress these people are making. Just because we don't agree with other countries policies don't give us a right to make changes for these people.
We wouldn't accept these same restrictions we are imposing - this is unacceptable!
Originally posted by: fornax
Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_Merkava,,00.html
... long meaningless advertisement deleted...
Hope that clears things up for you aimster
You're not serious, are you? You quote some sales brochures and that in your mind proves that it's the greatest tank ever? It's like me showing this video (which is an advertisement movie about how good the updated Su-35 is) in some argument about military aviation and consider the argument closed. I mean, just see how easily it shoots down our fighters and bombers! It must be true! It's the greatest fighter ever!
We all saw how well the Merkava did last July -- not well at all. The proof is in the pudding as our British brethren would say.
Originally posted by: fornax
Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_Merkava,,00.html
... long meaningless advertisement deleted...
Hope that clears things up for you aimster
You're not serious, are you? You quote some sales brochures and that in your mind proves that it's the greatest tank ever? It's like me showing this video (which is an advertisement movie about how good the updated Su-35 is) in some argument about military aviation and consider the argument closed. I mean, just see how easily it shoots down our fighters and bombers! It must be true! It's the greatest fighter ever!
We all saw how well the Merkava did last July -- not well at all. The proof is in the pudding as our British brethren would say.
Originally posted by: fubar569
Originally posted by: tbrooks40
Originally posted by: fubar569
Originally posted by: tbrooks40
EVERYTHING you just said was straight off the 6 o'clock (or should i say 6 o'shock) news and has absolutely no factual basis whatsoever!
me nor you have the slightest idea why iran is seeking nuclear technology. they say it to enjoy the same technological and economic advances nuclear power provides the us, uk, and even isreal.
riiiiggggghhhhtttt....
so now im a government puppet i suppose...considering i'm the only staunch opponent of the republican administration in this town...oh wait thats because i happen to have chosen to read and educate MYSELF instead of letting bush force feed me bullshit...
you cannot sit here and DENY THE FACT that:
1. iran has been and continues to be a sponsor of GLOBAL TERRORISM
2. iran has been meddling in iraqi affairs
3. who has been arming hezbollah? the US?
4. iran has publically denounced Israel's existance and pledged to wipe it off the face of the planet
5. iran continues to defy the will of the world in the pursuit of nuclear technology
6. iran's leader himself has also pretty much denounced the existance of the united states of america and given our opponents a means to strike us wether it be actual equipment or monetary funding to do so
7. and on and on and on...
if i had this idiot on my doorstep and I was the leader of israel or any other self-sustaining nation, the threat would've been ERASED A LONG TIME AGO. iran's current leadership is a menace and a danger to the world...
also, answer me this...
if thier nuclear program was solely for the purpose of providing nuclear power and had no potiental weapons capability whatsoever...why do they have hardened underground facilities? why the secrecy? why won't they simply comply with western demands or accept some sort of compromise?....conversely, if the program is for weapons production, gee that would seem to explain quite a few things now wouldnt it? the shroud of secrecy, the underground compounds, the public boasting of a irrational and borderline psycopathic leader...etc...you don't compile a peaceful program in a total shroud of secrecy in underground hardened compounds and then not mention a word to anyone until the cat is out of the bag...
would you trust him telling you he was gonna go to the grocery store and bring back dinner? hell i wouldnt trust the guy for 2 minutes alone on the toilet...
you can continue to live in your happy little world...meanwhile i'll be out here in the real one hoping somebody will stand up and do what we need to do...
1. iran has been and continues to be a sponsor of GLOBAL TERRORISM
2. iran has been meddling in iraqi affairs
3. who has been arming hezbollah? the US?
4. iran has publically denounced Israel's existance and pledged to wipe it off the face of the planet
5. iran continues to defy the will of the world in the pursuit of nuclear technology
6. iran's leader himself has also pretty much denounced the existance of the united states of america and given our opponents a means to strike us wether it be actual equipment or monetary funding to do so
7. and on and on and on...
------------------------------------
1 - 3) What is your source of information? George Bush? Sharon? You?
4) And the US, UK, and many others have voiced their disapproval with Iran's leader - SO WHAT! Until you show me proof that he's done ANYTHING but talk like everyone else talks about whatever they'd like to then this is nothing!
5) Umm, everyone else has nuclear power - who are we to stop other countries from attaining nuclear advancements just b/c we THINK they MIGHT allow the technology to fall into the wrong hands, or as some of you seem to think, that they'd be stupid enough to point a weapon at the Isreal or the US.
6) iran's leader himself has also pretty much denounced... so has he denounced the US's existance or kinda, pretty much, almost, denounced the US?
7) LOL
we know by your messages that if you were president you'd have invaded iraq and iran and afghanistan and cuba and africa all at the same time huh? well, that's whats wrong with the us... just because we think some people might or could or would possibly do something against our policies is no reason to invade their country.
Now that's the problem... these people don't owe the US or any other country a damn thing! When the US and Russia started their nuclear programs do you think they called and got clearance from Saddam or whoever the Saudi leader is?
Hell no, so why in the hell are we expecting anyone else around the world to do anything similar? We have absolutely no business interferring with Iran, Iraq, or any other country's business because we sure as hell don't accept anyone dictating to us! This double standard BS is just that - BS!
Just because we fear other countries having weapons like we have isn't a reason to impede the progress these people are making. Just because we don't agree with other countries policies don't give us a right to make changes for these people.
We wouldn't accept these same restrictions we are imposing - this is unacceptable!
ok...we'll do it your way then...
and as a few hundred thousand israelis or americans or whoever lose thier lives cause some whackjob decided to sell a bomb to mohanmmad al'weutvhbsliutbhai i will be staring you right in the face saying i told you so...
you also didn't bother to answer any of my other points...most notably this one:
if thier nuclear program was solely for the purpose of providing nuclear power and had no potiental weapons capability whatsoever...why do they have hardened underground facilities? why the secrecy? why won't they simply comply with western demands or accept some sort of compromise?....conversely, if the program is for weapons production, gee that would seem to explain quite a few things now wouldnt it? the shroud of secrecy, the underground compounds, the public boasting of a irrational and borderline psycopathic leader...etc...you don't compile a peaceful program in a total shroud of secrecy in underground hardened compounds and then not mention a word to anyone until the cat is out of the bag...
since you're so damn smart...explain that one!
aside from that, did i say i would invade them? no i said wipe the ****** out...and i clearly pointed out my reasoning....to which you basically said yeah whatever and again failed to acknowledge some basic and well-known facts...everything i have said has been the general well and world-wide accepted TRUTH!!! - also i said if they stick to themselves and leave us alone we would have no reason to act, but they blow up airplanes, sponsor terrorism, funnel arms to terrorist groups, and pledged death to one of our closest allies then disclosed the nuclear program might not exactly be peaceful.....the nutjob has lashed out more than once and killed more than one person more than once...yet you turn a blind eye to all of that and you practically wanna hand them the power of god on a ****** silver platter? ARE YOU INSANE?
like i said, if they did it peacefully and kept to themselves, i'd have no issues with them...but it's been proven TIME AND TIME AGAIN his words are not idle threats. they have killed people of many ethnicities in the name of "jihad" or whatever the hell they think is a good reason at the time...you name it they've done it...the burden of proof is now on them to rectify those ways...and if they do not, then ****** THEM and GET RID OF THEM before they do it again...
Originally posted by: tvarad
Tab:
"I would hope that if Israel did attack Iran unprovoked, the rest of the world would tell Israel it's alone on this one."
Since when has Israel not been alone in whatever it did to defend itself?
]"When our government took the majority of our troops out of the hills of Afghanistan to go start a war with Iraq AND after Bush okay'd the government plane to fly Bin Laden's family back to Saudia Arabia I knew there was WAY more to this so-called war on terror than we were led to believe. "
"We are now actually performing airstrikes in parts of Africa - destroying yet another countries land, resources, infrastructure under this same guise of suspected al-queda operatives as the target and no one has said a thing.
Wake Up - the second largest oil reserve in the world is in Africa - second only to the middle east.
Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus
Originally posted by: tvarad
Tab:
"I would hope that if Israel did attack Iran unprovoked, the rest of the world would tell Israel it's alone on this one."
Since when has Israel not been alone in whatever it did to defend itself?
Since maybe the late 1940s when it became America's 51st Welfare State?
However, the Merkava has certain advantages and capabilities in urban warfare that an Abrams doesn't.
Originally posted by: tvarad
Tab:
"I would hope that if Israel did attack Iran unprovoked, the rest of the world would tell Israel it's alone on this one."
Since when has Israel not been alone in whatever it did to defend itself?
Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
However, the Merkava has certain advantages and capabilities in urban warfare that an Abrams doesn't.
The cannons on the Merkava and Abrams are the same and are made by the Germans.
also, the Merkava doesn't eat fuel as if there was a hole in the gas tank.