Israel practicing Eugenics?

[JohnOfSheffield]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/nationa...re-given-birth-control-shots.premium-1.496519

To prevent the likes of Lemon Law to post this first i'm posting it.

It is a disgusting story and i have no excuse for it what so ever.

It is one of the things that just leaves me utterly sad and disappointed.

 

[airdata]

I predict this thread will reach a maximum of 2-3 pages because people are scared to talk about anything to do w\ israel and jews.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I predict this thread will reach a maximum of 2-3 pages because people are scared to talk about anything to do w\ israel and jews.

I was thinking of putting the headline in hebrew "come in and join" just to get the attention from my fellow Jews but then they would be the only ones replying apart from Lemon.

It's truly disgusting, i didn't think this was something that Israel was capable of and i cannot tell you how disappointed i am in a nation i have so vehemently defended.

I still love Israel but this... there needs to be arrests made, every single one must pay or we can just give up the thought of it.

I don't support this in the least, i hate this, i hate it so much that i am thinking about denouncing my citizenship, this is EXACTLY the type of thing that was done to us.

 

[Genx87]

I cant read the article without purchasing a subsription. Hard to dicsuss it based on a title and small blurb about giving a Depo shot to ethiopian women.

 

[Doppel]

John, you are a dual Brit/Israeli?

 

[klinc]

Haaretz what source is that?

 

[Jaskalas]

I cant read the article without purchasing a subsription. Hard to dicsuss it based on a title and small blurb about giving a Depo shot to ethiopian women.

I second the motion. This is both alarming and incomplete.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I cant read the article without purchasing a subsription. Hard to dicsuss it based on a title and small blurb about giving a Depo shot to ethiopian women.

They told the women it was an innoculation, it was depo-provera, birth statistics for Ethiopian women in Israel is down 90% in ten years, the issue is admitted by those responsible for the administration of it.

That is how the article reads, i'm sure you can find more on Google but i'm in the situation (again) where i cannot use google so if you were to find a different result you'd have to relink me through some other place to rebut.

As it is, there are a lot of things pointing in this direction, among them are the ideas that they were tracked by sattelites by implants that could be felt under the skin, there were 1900+ people who reported this back in 02 according to a source i find so credible that i would take his orders in a situation where i'd believe he knows more than me.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

John, you are a dual Brit/Israeli?

I'm a citizen of both Israel and GB, yes.

I've stated this many times, though in most peoples defense, i've done so in Hebrew so it's not always easy to read.

 

[glenn1]

Israel practicing Eugenics?

Providing taxpayer funded contraceptives (which are both temporarily effective and reversible) is now eugenics?

Does that mean the provision in Obamacare that insurance companies provide no cost contraception (e.g. pre-paid courtesy of premiums collected) makes Aetna and Blue Cross into Eugenists also?

 

[yllus]

Providing taxpayer funded contraceptives (which are both temporarily effective and reversible) is now eugenics?

Assuming the shot was given without consent, this could be considered eugenics.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I second the motion. This is both alarming and incomplete.

You can register for it or take my word for it, do you think i would actually state this if i was a bit doubtful?

Considering who i am and how i have always acted regarding Israel?

This does NOT mean that my full support isn't with Israel and that i still think everything i have stated before, it just... it fucking makes me feel like i have been betrayed by a really good friend that i had the utmost trust for.

I feel like i'm going to puke... i would like for the last survivors to go there and ask them what the fuck they have done, then i want every single one of them to be drawn out back and shot dead... every last one of the ones who had any idea that this happened.

The disgust i am feeling is not something i can put into words, it's beyond any words i can speak.

 

[OlafSicky]

http://feministing.com/2013/01/28/birth-control-shots-were-forced-on-ethiopian-immigrants-to-israel/

Many stories on this on the internet from multiple news sources government admitted it. Discrimination of Ethiopan Jews in Israel is not a new story.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Providing taxpayer funded contraceptives (which are both temporarily effective and reversible) is now eugenics?

Forced contraception for being of a specific heritage is WHAT?

Now piss off you retarded twat.

 

[klinc]

Providing taxpayer funded contraceptives (which are both temporarily effective and reversible) is now eugenics?

Does that mean the provision in Obamacare that insurance companies provide no cost contraception (e.g. pre-paid courtesy of premiums collected) makes Aetna and Blue Cross into Eugenists also?

Birth control was not a eugenics movement.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

http://feministing.com/2013/01/28/birth-control-shots-were-forced-on-ethiopian-immigrants-to-israel/

Many stories on this on the internet from multiple news sources government admitted it. Discrimination of Ethiopan Jews in Israel is not a new story.

Actually it is, and other stories are basically just not true, this one is about a specific problem and i would want all other issues to be left to other threads, this one is enough to condemn Israel on without bringing in the fucked up CT stories that are just plain bullsheit.

Don't expect me not to support Israel, i do support Israel but this... this is...

 

[Charles Kozierok]

Haaretz what source is that?

A pretty reliable one for stuff like this. It's almost like the NY Times of Israel.

I heard about this today and almost posted it here. There is simply no excuse for it, and it stupidly plays right into the hands of the people who like to compare the Israelis to the Nazis.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Birth control was not a eugenics movement.

Don't let that daft twat derail the thread.

This thread deals with ONE specific issue and it has nothing to do with the US what so ever.

So let's concentrate on this ONE thing, i wish it wasn't true but i know it to be and i'm sad to say that there are a lot of good people who had information about it but were not entirely sure and thus didn't speak out.

That Israel practiced Eugenics are words i have a hard time writing and words that i don't even understand myself, not really...

I had such high hopes for Israel and now... BAM, it's ALL gone, every single shred of it is just gone.

That the nation that was supposed to be our homeland effectively sterilized Ethiopian Jews because they didn't want them to procreate and thus practiced the same eugenics that our ancestors fled from...

I just hope to god that this is some sort of lie that got spread and not real.. if there are women claiming this there will be evidence and if it's found that this happened, there is no excuse for this.

 

[OlafSicky]

This story is stomach turning. We have had moments in 20th century where people were sterilized because they were mentally ill or poor. It looks like this is what happened here but in the 21 century. I will grant that it's not a permanent sterilization but it wasn't consensual. Can you imagine your doctor sterilizing your wife without her knowing? 90% reduction in Ethiopian birth rates sounds like eugenics to me.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

A pretty reliable one for stuff like this. It's almost like the NY Times of Israel.

I heard about this today and almost posted it here. There is simply no excuse for it, and it stupidly plays right into the hands of the people who like to compare the Israelis to the Nazis.

If this is true, that comparison would be valid.

Do you know how many times i've condemned people for making that comparison? Several thousand of times on this forums alone.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

This story is stomach turning. We have had moments in 20th century where people were sterilized because they were mentally ill or poor. It looks like this is what happened here but in the 21 century. I will grant that it's not a permanent sterilization but it wasn't consensual. Can you imagine your doctor sterilizing your wife without her knowing? 90% reduction in Ethiopian birth rates sounds like eugenics to me.

What would you do if you had found out your government and past governments had done this...


I want those responsible drawn and quartered.

If i had found out this had happened to my family, i would have revenge.

They are not asking for it because they feel entitled to live there, they dare not speak so let those who dare speak for them, i'm a Jew, and i will speak for them.

 

[klinc]

Don't let that daft twat derail the thread.

This thread deals with ONE specific issue and it has nothing to do with the US what so ever.

So let's concentrate on this ONE thing, i wish it wasn't true but i know it to be and i'm sad to say that there are a lot of good people who had information about it but were not entirely sure and thus didn't speak out.

That Israel practiced Eugenics are words i have a hard time writing and words that i don't even understand myself, not really...

I had such high hopes for Israel and now... BAM, it's ALL gone, every single shred of it is just gone.

That the nation that was supposed to be our homeland effectively sterilized Ethiopian Jews because they didn't want them to procreate and thus practiced the same eugenics that our ancestors fled from...

I just hope to god that this is some sort of lie that got spread and not real.. if there are women claiming this there will be evidence and if it's found that this happened, there is no excuse for this.

In my country they kill the Somalians and set their homes a light. Xenophobia I believe its called. But why do they sterilize them. Do some of them have HIV?

 

[Charles Kozierok]

If true, this absolutely, 100% is eugenics. Period.

I give a lot of credit to John for posting this.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

In my country they kill the Somalians and set their homes a light. Xenophobia I believe its called. But why do they sterilize them. Do some of them have HIV?

Sterilization doesn't make them less HIV positive, it just keeps them from procreating, it's effectively eugenics, the end of the spread of "the unwanteds".

I've been to your homelands. Your neighbours are to blame for a lot of it as does foreign interests that prop up the various governments that are just a tad better than the extremists that run the rebellions.

We can't help you, we really can't, i wish we could but we can't. In Congo it's a different story in Uganda it was a different story, in Somalia we can't train anyone or help anyone, every time we tried they turned on the civilian population.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Providing taxpayer funded contraceptives (which are both temporarily effective and reversible) is now eugenics?

Does that mean the provision in Obamacare that insurance companies provide no cost contraception (e.g. pre-paid courtesy of premiums collected) makes Aetna and Blue Cross into Eugenists also?

You really need to think or understand what you are reading before you post. In fact do us alla favor and don`t post unless you know what you are talking about!