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Anyways. Are you familiar with Falashas?
i appreciate ur honestly but ur not repsonable for a nut acting as a lone wolf by all appearances. This like after that U of Virgina shooter killed 26 ppl the whole Korean nation was in shame, Bullshit. To me it what happens after light is shown. Israel has renounced such racist policy unfortunatly her neighbors have not.
I've read up on their history.
So you will know that in 1985 and 1991 Israel airlifted 48000 Ethiopian Jews or Beta Israel as they preferred called to Israel. Israel did it out of the goodness of their heart the airlifts as the result of the Jewish communitys unwillingness, given their long history of religious persecution, to stand by idly while any group that could possibly be considered Jewish underwent religious persecution.
They're Jewish religion differ greatly from the religion in Israel and their lack of
knowledge of the Talmud, the traditional rabbinic interpretation of the Torah. This isolation has led the Ethiopian Jews to develop different practices in regards to the Sabbath, holidays, the religious calendar and practices concerning ritual purity.
They got of the airplane with no skills, no education and couldn't speak Hebrew. The language barrier is on of the greatest aspects that hold back any society. Israel gave them shelter food and tried to give them starting jobs in something they were skilled at. That was farming which they denied and saw as a step backwards. In Ethopia they did farming and because its the motherland they don't want to go backwards. Unfortunatetly in the motherland like any other country you get a better job in a different skill enviroment. THey could not go to Israeli schools cause they did not speak the language.
So they build schools and boarding houses for them and try to get them educated. Unfortunately the kids dropped out and they did not give their cooperation in that regard. Some join the army and complained while they were new recruits they had to stand guard while the older soldiers partied. You see they did not really understand what is happening and how modern society works. Al tough they were not as primitive as Israel have thought they still run into a culture shock on some situations.
The Rabbi's did not want to marry them because they did not want to accept some Jewish requirements. So the Rabbi's had to compromise numerous times. In the end Israel had to let them develop separately because of the lack of willing to blend in and to sacrifice a small bit just like the otherside is doing to get a compromise. In the end Seventy percent of Ethiopian families have no incoming salary Sixty-three percent of Ethiopians work in non-professional fields The average Ethiopian salary is below the poverty line Only thirty-one percent of Ethiopian fathers and ten
percent of Ethiopian mothers are employed. Now I do not know but if you are poor and can't afford kids then you should not have any till you can. Its called family planning common in every country. So the woman have the option to go for birth control. Not because they want to stop their numbers but a basic concept every country try to teach their inhabitants and that is to plan a family and have the amount you are able to feed.
120,000 people did Israel took from Ethiopia and given them a home where they will not be persecuted. What have we or any other country don for Ethopians except show commercials of hungry Ethiopian kids or donate $5 for Red Cross to drops bags of maize meals? Not much compared to what Israel is doing. Rome was not build in one day and unfortunately moving a African culture of the continent to a new society you going to have a lot of stumbling blocks.
There I explained it without having to mention a race. Why? Because we are so blinded when two different races cultures do not match we jump to racism instead of culture.
Continously injected it has led to drastically lowered birthrates among those who have been injected. (which is no surprise.)
This isn't about that they are *offered* contraception, please don't make this out to make any less than it is, it is about enforcing eugenices in Israel by not allowing them to live there without injections that they LIED about.
Blieve you me, i have tried to explain this away but i'm an honest man and i cannot and will not stand by and watch people admit to this and deny it, i am NOT a fucking eugenics sympathizer or excuser and neither should you be, not when it comes to Israel.
I'm not going to say what it's like, others have and i agree with them, we are becoming what we hate...
MoonBeam will have a field day with this sheit... or actually i think he'll be as saddened by it as i am.
Don't expect me not to support Israel, i do support Israel but this... this is...
Good for Israel! It means that they take the problem of unintended pregnancies seriously.
Now all of you who are self-righteously condemning Israel can go back to paying taxes to care for crack babies and children born to mothers on welfare and the Octomoms of the world.
I don't believe anything in particular of the Times, if you say it's good to go, i have no good reason to disagree with that.
In fact i think i was thinking of Times Magazine and that freqently features aliens... i should have known better but it's been a while and zinfamous isn't as infamous as he thinks.
I really want the Times to be good source of news... I hope it is for your sake or i will rape your mother and sisters while making you and your family dog watch it... Oh wait, i'm not a Muslim... i shall staunchly recollect the moment you told me a lie if the Times isn't what you say it is and i may or may not taunt you with verbs that my not be nice.
Good for Israel! It means that they take the problem of unintended pregnancies seriously.
Now all of you who are self-righteously condemning Israel can go back to paying taxes to care for crack babies and children born to mothers on welfare and the Octomoms of the world.
I believe in preventing the latter, but the geneticist/biologist/humanist in me believes the former to not only be a vacant hole of rotten humanity that fundamentally ignores some of the worst lessons we have learned from history, but also: completely scientifically stupid and self-destructive.
so, no self-righteousness applies with my condemnation of eugenics. (yeah, this is why the soulless opinions of libertarians are inherently worthless...otherwise, I would consider myself the same type of automaton)
I'm unaware of libertarians advocating eugenics outside of what is a natural part of our own biology (big tits, hourglass shape, etc.). I believe most advocate allowing people to earn either a living, or fall behind and starve if they are unable to attain willful charity. They also do not seek to bind the will of parents and create an obligation and allow for either abortion and child abandonment.
Which part of that sounds like eugenics?
http://www.haaretz.com/news/nationa...re-given-birth-control-shots.premium-1.496519
To prevent the likes of Lemon Law to post this first i'm posting it.
It is a disgusting story and i have no excuse for it what so ever.
It is one of the things that just leaves me utterly sad and disappointed.
I can't read the article since I'm not a subscriber. Using birth control is eugenics? Or were they being injected against their will?
Women who immigrated from Ethiopia eight years ago say they were told they would not be allowed into Israel unless they agreed to be injected with the long-acting birth control drug Depo Provera, according to an investigative report aired Saturday on the Israel Educational Television program "Vacuum."
I can't read the article since I'm not a subscriber. Using birth control is eugenics? Or were they being injected against their will?
Using birth control is eugenics? Or were they being injected against their will?
They told the women it was an innoculation, it was depo-provera, birth statistics for Ethiopian women in Israel is down 90% in ten years, the issue is admitted by those responsible for the administration of it.
That is how the article reads, i'm sure you can find more on Google but i'm in the situation (again) where i cannot use google so if you were to find a different result you'd have to relink me through some other place to rebut.
As it is, there are a lot of things pointing in this direction, among them are the ideas that they were tracked by sattelites by implants that could be felt under the skin, there were 1900+ people who reported this back in 02 according to a source i find so credible that i would take his orders in a situation where i'd believe he knows more than me.
That's the big question. There have been allegations of this, but they aren't proven.
Regardless, instituting a program where by default one class of immigrants is put on a regular birth control regimen and others are not is pretty hard to justify.
At best, this stinks to hell. At worst, yes, it is a form of eugenics.
This is a eugenics state policy that has been active by a developed state in the 21st century, not a program from the middle of last century:Israel's treatment of Ethiopians 'racist' -- TheNational - Jan 6, 2010
Health officials in Israel are subjecting many female Ethiopian immigrants to a controversial long-term birth control drug in what Israeli women's groups allege is a racist policy to reduce the number of black babies. The contraceptive, known as Depo Provera, which is given by injection every three months, is considered by many doctors as a birth control method of last resort because of problems treating its side effects.
However, according to a report published last week, use of the contraceptive by Israeli doctors has risen threefold over the past few years. Figures show that 57 per cent of Depo Provera users in Israel are Ethiopian, even though the community accounts for less than two per cent of the total population. About 90,000 Ethiopians have been brought to Israel under the Law of Return since the 1980s, but their Jewishness has subsequently been questioned by some rabbis and is doubted by many ordinary Israelis.
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Women's groups were alerted to the widespread use of Depo Provera in the Ethiopian community in 2008 when Rachel Mangoli, who runs a day care centre for 120 Ethiopian children in Bnei Braq, a suburb of Tel Aviv, observed that she had received only one new child in the previous three years. "I started to think about how strange the situation was after I had to send back donated baby clothes because there was no one in the community to give them to," she said.
She approached a local health clinic serving the 55 Ethiopian families in Bnei Braq and was told by the clinic manager that they had been instructed to administer Depo Provera injections to the women of child-bearing age, though he refused to say who had issued the order. Ms Mangoli, who interviewed the women, said: "They had not been told about alternative forms of contraception or about the side effects or given medical follow-ups." The women complained of a wide range of side effects associated with the drug, including headaches, abdominal pain, fatigue, nausea, loss of libido and general burning sensations.
Depo Provera is also known to decrease bone density, especially among dark-skinned women, which can lead to osteoporosis in later life. Doctors are concerned that it is difficult or impossible to help women who experience severe side effects because the drug is in their system for months after it is injected. The contraceptive's reputation has also been tarnished by its association with South Africa, where the apartheid government had used it, often coercively, to limit the fertility of black women.
Yali Hashash, a researcher at Haifa University, said attempts to restrict Ethiopian women's fertility echoed practices used against Jewish women who immigrated to Israel from such Arab countries as Iraq, Yemen and Morocco in the state's early years, in the 1950s and 1960s. Many, she said, had been encouraged to fit IUDs when the device was still experimental because Israel's leading gynecologists regarded Arab Jews as "primitive" and incapable of acting "responsibly".
This was first exposed over three years ago, but the policy of enforced treatment for the purpose of eugenics was maintained and denied by Israel until this week.
This is a eugenics state policy that has been active by a developed state in the 21st century, not a program from the middle of last century:
A good portion of it is http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34555276&postcount=87
This doesn't pass the smell test though. Depo is a 3 month birth control shot. In order for them to have lower birth rates over a 10 year period they would need to continue to get the shot 4 times a year. Furthermore the article makes it sound like Depo is an uncommon form of birth control only given to mentally handicapped people and I've never heard of that. In college Depo was pretty common.
If they said they were forced to have an IUD I might have an easier time believing this. An IUD lasts 5-12 years and is even more effective at preventing pregnancy. They've been around since they 1970's and pretty common since the late 1980's. You can't just reach in there and remove it yourself either. So if they had a policy with Israeli gynecologists this would be the way to do it.
If they said they were forced to have an IUD I might have an easier time believing this. An IUD lasts 5-12 years and is even more effective at preventing pregnancy. They've been around since they 1970's and pretty common since the late 1980's. You can't just reach in there and remove it yourself either. So if they had a policy with Israeli gynecologists this would be the way to do it.