Israel practicing Eugenics?

[Dari]

A dark day for Israel? This is just one of many such dark days. The country is morally bankrupt. In their desire to prevent another Holocaust Israel has copied wholesale the actions of the Nazis, Russians and other groups that carried out countless pogroms against them. If this doesn't cause introspection amongst Jews worldwide and in Israel in particular, I don't know what will. It's hard to sympathize with Israelis in their struggle against their many enemies when they are doing this to their own. What a fucked up country.

 

[zinfamous]

Haaretz what source is that?

think: New York Times.

 

[Dari]

Also makes you wonder the point of "saving" all those Jews from Ethiopia in the 1980s. Israel, being Israel, sold weapons to the Ethiopian government in exchange for Falasha Jews, thereby using the death of others to rescue fellow Jews. Now they are committing genocide against those very same Jews. WHAT THE FUCK, Israel. Time to start over.

 

[klinc]

Israel helped South Africa build a nuclear bomb as well. I wouldn't trust a oppressive government with my lunch money let alone a thermal nuclear device!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Also makes you wonder the point of "saving" all those Jews from Ethiopia in the 1980s. Israel, being Israel, sold weapons to the Ethiopian government in exchange for Falasha Jews, thereby using the death of others to rescue fellow Jews. Now they are committing genocide against those very same Jews. WHAT THE FUCK, Israel. Time to start over.

Dari, i'm going to say this one time so read carefully because i mean every single word that i am saying.

This isn't a thread for your discontent about anything else about Israel, this thread was created by me, an Israeli citizen to mark that Israel did something so horrid that i had to speak out against it.

Your distractions are not welcome here in this thread, you are free to make them in the thousands of "hate Israel" threads that Lemon Law has made where they are better suited.

Your facts are wrong and taken from Alex Jones fantasies, with them you should include his knowledge of Jews actually being aliens who are reptilians by nature too.

I would prefer it if you'd stay out of this thread from now on unless you have something ON TOPIC to add and while i would prefer the same from everyone, i know you a bit better than most and i am not asking you, i'm telling you, stop.

Am i making myself clear?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

think: New York Times.

Not really, in fact i can't think of an American newspaper that doesn't just print whatever slant they have on everything rather than actual news reporting.

This is reported news, so the closest would be a report from the BBC.

It's also verified but you won't hear much more than this, it's only for tonight, in one week none of this will be heard of ever again, set your calendar and check it, even you will have forgotten.

I never will but that is only because i'm involved.

 

[JEDIYoda]

What? Dude your punctuation is out of this world, you mean Probably so who the hell are you kidding, what dont you get in when I was asking if anyone knew any Historians from Israel that might know Information on Amphitheaters
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphitheatre

Incorperating Caspian tigers...abviously you know nothing on subject that I'm asking, so instead of quote-ing me acting like I'm suppose to give a shit you know more than one language (yet cant fucking spell the basics), dont answer with contradicting gestures. You hypocrite.

Thread crap much....

 

[Dari]

Dari, i'm going to say this one time so read carefully because i mean every single word that i am saying.

This isn't a thread for your discontent about anything else about Israel, this thread was created by me, an Israeli citizen to mark that Israel did something so horrid that i had to speak out against it.

Your distractions are not welcome here in this thread, you are free to make them in the thousands of "hate Israel" threads that Lemon Law has made where they are better suited.

Your facts are wrong and taken from Alex Jones fantasies, with them you should include his knowledge of Jews actually being aliens who are reptilians by nature too.

I would prefer it if you'd stay out of this thread from now on unless you have something ON TOPIC to add and while i would prefer the same from everyone, i know you a bit better than most and i am not asking you, i'm telling you, stop.

Am i making myself clear?

Fuck off. My posts are on topic and if you don't like it you can go pound sand or suck a bag of dicks. Israel has done a lot to Arabs and Falasha Jews that tells me the country is morally bankrupt. Also, I don't know who Alex Jones is so if you can tell me which part of my posts are fantasies I am more than willing to discuss them with you. Otherwise, I will ignore you. Also, I find it laughable that you, feeling so much guilt and sadness, think posting this here is a kind of cleansing of your soul because you did not post it in Hebrew but chose English instead. You're a fucking joke. Get off your damn high horse, idiot, and understand that Israel does nasty shit that may even shock Hitler.

 

[klinc]

Fuck off. My posts are on topic and if you don't like it you can go pound sand or suck a bag of dicks. Israel has done a lot to Arabs and Falasha Jews that tells me the country is morally bankrupt. Also, I don't know who Alex Jones is so if you can tell me which part of my posts are fantasies I am more than willing to discuss them with you. Otherwise, I will ignore you. Also, I find it laughable that you, feeling so much guilt and sadness, think posting this here is a kind of cleansing of your soul because you did not post it in Hebrew but chose English instead. You're a fucking joke. Get off your damn high horse, idiot, and understand that Israel does nasty shit that may even shock Hitler.

Jews go bankrupt? Never

 

[zinfamous]

Not really, in fact i can't think of an American newspaper that doesn't just print whatever slant they have on everything rather than actual news reporting.

You are confusing the Times with the WSJ; or Op-Ed pieces with news reporting, but whatever....continue to believe what you wish to believe about the Times, as it is your want.


(about most other newspapers here...yeah, I'll agree to that)

 

[Zebo]

whateves they stopped it unlike you're a jew in gaza and will be killed on site. standing orders. I take this whole story as a rouge nut got too much power

 

[Whiskey16]

For nearly two years this subject had been investigated. This situation was also presented by Haaretz over a month ago:

Why is the birth rate in Israel's Ethiopian community declining? -- Women say that while waiting in transit camps in Ethiopia they were coaxed into agreeing to injections of long-acting birth control drugs. --Haaretz. Dec.09, 2012

Women who immigrated from Ethiopia eight years ago say they were told they would not be allowed into Israel unless they agreed to be injected with the long-acting birth control drug Depo Provera, according to an investigative report aired Saturday on the Israel Educational Television program "Vacuum."

The women say that while waiting in transit camps in Ethiopia prior to immigration they were placed in family planning workshops where they were coaxed into agreeing to the injection - a charge denied by both the Joint Distribution Committe, which ran the clinics, and the Health Ministry.

"We said we won't have the shot. They told us, if you don't you won't go to Israel And also you won't be allowed into the Joint (American Joint Distribution Committee) office, you won't get aid or medical care. We were afraid... We didn't have a choice. Without them and their aid we couldn't leave there. So we accepted the injection. It was only with their permission that we were allowed to leave," recounted Emawayish, who immigrated from Ethiopia eight years ago.
Emawayish was one of 35 women, whose stories were recorded by Sebba Reuven, that relate how they were coaxed and threatened into agreeing to receive the injectable birth control drug.

The birth rate among Israel's Ethiopian immigrant population has dropped nearly 20 percent in 10 years.

The difference that came out today was the Israeli government admitting to such practices by and only now issuing only current instructions to for the practice to end.

An inconveivable crime - Israel's patronizing and inhumane treatment of Ethiopian women is nothing new. -- Haaretz. Dec.11, 2012

It's hard to believe, but in Israel, in 2012, Ethiopian women are forced to receive injections of the Depo-Provera contraceptive. This injection is not a commonly prescribed means of contraception. It is considered a last resort and is usually given to women who are institutionalized or developmentally disabled. According to an investigation for journalist Gal Gabay's “Vacuum” documentary series shown on Israeli Educational Television, it is also given to many new immigrants from Ethiopia.

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The injections given to Ethiopian women are part and parcel of the overall Israeli attitude toward this wave of immigrants. During the 1980s and 1990s, thousands of Ethiopian Jews spent months or years in transit camps in Ethiopia and Sudan. Hundreds died en route to Israel simply because a country that is supposed to be a safe haven for Jews decided the time wasn’t right, they couldn’t all be absorbed together or they weren’t Jewish enough – who had heard of black Jews?

In transit camps today, future immigrants enter a horrifying bureaucratic entanglement, which gives them the burden of proving they are worthy of arriving in Israel. As in the past, those who arrive here are not quickly released from the grasp of state institutions. They continue to receive “treatment” in absorption centers, where the children are sent to religious boarding schools and included in special education frameworks, while the parents stay in ghettos and the women continue to receive injections.

 

[nehalem256]

Women who immigrated from Ethiopia eight years ago say they were told they would not be allowed into Israel unless they agreed to be injected with the long-acting birth control drug Depo Provera, according to an investigative report aired Saturday on the Israel Educational Television program "Vacuum."

Ah the truth comes out. Women were given a choice. Essentially:

(1) Live in squalor in Ethopia and have as many children as you want.

(2) Live in relative wealth in Israel, but as a condition limit the # of children you have.

Guess what? Israel can only support a limited number of 3rd world charity cases.

Eugenics not found. What we have is some left-wing human "rights" organization complaining that women were not allowed to be brood mares. The irony of this should be obvious.

A real Eugenics campaign would be to prevent Ethiopian Jews from having any children at all. I see no evidence this occurred.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You are confusing the Times with the WSJ; or Op-Ed pieces with news reporting, but whatever....continue to believe what you wish to believe about the Times, as it is your want.


(about most other newspapers here...yeah, I'll agree to that)

I don't believe anything in particular of the Times, if you say it's good to go, i have no good reason to disagree with that.

In fact i think i was thinking of Times Magazine and that freqently features aliens... i should have known better but it's been a while and zinfamous isn't as infamous as he thinks.

I really want the Times to be good source of news... I hope it is for your sake or i will rape your mother and sisters while making you and your family dog watch it... Oh wait, i'm not a Muslim... i shall staunchly recollect the moment you told me a lie if the Times isn't what you say it is and i may or may not taunt you with verbs that my not be nice.

 

[Dari]

Ah the truth comes out. Women were given a choice. Essentially:

(1) Live in squalor in Ethopia and have as many children as you want.

(2) Live in relative wealth in Israel, but as a condition limit the # of children you have.

Guess what? Israel can only support a limited number of 3rd world charity cases.

Eugenics not found. What we have is some left-wing human "rights" organization complaining that women were not allowed to be brood mares. The irony of this should be obvious.

A real Eugenics campaign would be to prevent Ethiopian Jews from having any children at all. I see no evidence this occurred.

I really don't understand how this even supports your case. If what you quoted is true then aaliyah for Ethiopian Jews is different from aaliyah for European Jews. This is unconscionable and you saying this supports your case shows that you are a racist. Aaliyah should be the same for all Jews, regardless of where they come from. All this does is give succor to critics who say Israel is a racist country.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

whateves they stopped it unlike you're a jew in gaza and will be killed on site. standing orders. I take this whole story as a rouge nut got too much power

There are plenty of horror stories about the likes of those.

We should fucking know better.

Today is the first day, this will inevitably grow as these things always do, and if it doesn't i'll make my damnedest to make sure it does because i LOVE Israel and i want to purge it of all such things.

This isn't a "too bad, so sad" issue, this is the worst thing you can do and we did it.

What if i was part of this, i want all of them each and every one including me if i helped in any way to be found responsible...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I really don't understand how this even supports your case. If what you quoted is true then aaliyah for Ethiopian Jews is different from aaliyah for European Jews. This is unconscionable and you saying this supports your case shows that you are a racist. Aaliyah should be the same for all Jews, regardless of where they come from. All this does is give succor to critics who say Israel is a racist country.

He doesn't care, he just hates women and wants a legal right to rape underaged girls and has stated so in many threads.

Why he isn't banned as the wannabe pedophile that he is i do not know, dr pizza doesn't care about little girls?

Damn right that is a mod callout, a well deserved one.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Ah the truth comes out. Women were given a choice. Essentially:

(1) Live in squalor in Ethopia and have as many children as you want.

(2) Live in relative wealth in Israel, but as a condition limit the # of children you have.

Guess what? Israel can only support a limited number of 3rd world charity cases.

Eugenics not found. What we have is some left-wing human "rights" organization complaining that women were not allowed to be brood mares. The irony of this should be obvious.

A real Eugenics campaign would be to prevent Ethiopian Jews from having any children at all. I see no evidence this occurred.

You're a horrible excuse of a human being and a pedophile to boot.

But hey, basing eugenics on race isn't eugenics... you are so retarded in your fucked up skull that this makes sense to you.

 

[klinc]

Health Minister director general instructs all gynecologists in Israel's four health maintenance organizations not to inject women with long-acting contraceptive Depo-Provera if they do not understand ramifications of treatment.

So they were there voluntary and were explained what they doing?

What about consumer based Eugenics?
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2002/03/jack-or-jill/302453/

 

[DominionSeraph]

What horseshit. Depo Provera isn't sterilization, it lasts 3 months. These women are not in camps being given forced injections in Israel, it's a prescription that they have to voluntarily continue. Guess what? Most women in first world countries use some form of contraception.

Of course you're not going to have Ethiopian-level birth rates. Ethiopia's contraceptive use is at 8%: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_con-health-contraception

This is the equivalent of an Irishman handing an Irish-American emigrating to Ireland a pint of beer.

 

[Lemon law]

Dari, i'm going to say this one time so read carefully because i mean every single word that i am saying.

This isn't a thread for your discontent about anything else about Israel, this thread was created by me, an Israeli citizen to mark that Israel did something so horrid that i had to speak out against it.

Your distractions are not welcome here in this thread, you are free to make them in the thousands of "hate Israel" threads that Lemon Law has made where they are better suited.

Your facts are wrong and taken from Alex Jones fantasies, with them you should include his knowledge of Jews actually being aliens who are reptilians by nature too.

I would prefer it if you'd stay out of this thread from now on unless you have something ON TOPIC to add and while i would prefer the same from everyone, i know you a bit better than most and i am not asking you, i'm telling you, stop.

Am i making myself clear?

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JOS, Pardon me if I respond to your rant directed at Dari. But I ask JOS, where does he come up with the right, as OP on a thread, to control the discussion that happens on this forum thereafter? As earth to JOS, regardless if you are OP on a thread or responding to a thread made by another OP, your logic or lack of it has to stand on its own.

As for Dari, he has done a fine job of responding to the JOS lack of logic, IMHO.

 

[klinc]

I really don't understand how this even supports your case. If what you quoted is true then making aliyah for Ethiopian Jews is different from making aliyah for European Jews. This is unconscionable and you saying this supports your case shows that you are a racist. Making aliyah should be the same for all Jews, regardless of where they come from. All this does is give succor to critics who say Israel is a racist country.

fixed

Anyways. Are you familiar with Falasha’s?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

What horseshit. Depo Provera isn't sterilization, it lasts 3 months. These women are not in camps being given forced injections in Israel, it's a prescription that they have to voluntarily continue. Guess what? Most women in first world countries use some form of contraception.

Of course you're not going to have Ethiopian-level birth rates. Ethiopia's contraceptive use is at 8%: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_con-health-contraception

This is the equivalent of an Irishman handing an Irish-American emigrating to Ireland a pint of beer.

Continously injected it has led to drastically lowered birthrates among those who have been injected. (which is no surprise.)

This isn't about that they are *offered* contraception, please don't make this out to make any less than it is, it is about enforcing eugenices in Israel by not allowing them to live there without injections that they LIED about.

Blieve you me, i have tried to explain this away but i'm an honest man and i cannot and will not stand by and watch people admit to this and deny it, i am NOT a fucking eugenics sympathizer or excuser and neither should you be, not when it comes to Israel.

I'm not going to say what it's like, others have and i agree with them, we are becoming what we hate...

MoonBeam will have a field day with this sheit... or actually i think he'll be as saddened by it as i am.

 

[Zebo]

There are plenty of horror stories about the likes of those.

We should fucking know better.

Today is the first day, this will inevitably grow as these things always do, and if it doesn't i'll make my damnedest to make sure it does because i LOVE Israel and i want to purge it of all such things.

This isn't a "too bad, so sad" issue, this is the worst thing you can do and we did it.

What if i was part of this, i want all of them each and every one including me if i helped in any way to be found responsible...

i appreciate ur honestly but ur not repsonable for a nut acting as a lone wolf by all appearances. This like after that U of Virgina shooter killed 26 ppl the whole Korean nation was in shame, Bullshit. To me it what happens after light is shown. Israel has renounced such racist policy unfortunatly her neighbors have not.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

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JOS, Pardon me

Not even once in the history of mankind.

You are a Nazist, of this there is no doubt, you have proclaimed your hatred of Jews who survived their attackers and fought back.

So pardon you, no... not today and not any other day.