Originally posted by: Meuge
I suppose your way of dealing with terrorists is to invite them over for tea. Really, I hope all you ****** who love these people so much go over there and talk to them. Explain to them how much you support their plight, as they're cutting your throat... I am sure they'll listen.Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: daniel49
there is no government in the world that has been dealing with arab terrorists as long as Isreal.
They simply understand what it takes to deal with these people.
Something the United States and Europe have no stomach for.
You can see how well our ideas of appeasement have worked In Palestine.
and for some reason, it never actually gets dealt with does it, it just keeps going on.
Terrorist tactics used against Terrorists .. Hmm.. begins to make you wonder.. who the terrorists are...
Originally posted by: morkinva
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/733036.html
The government is losing its reason
By Haaretz Editorial
Bombing bridges that can be circumvented both by car and on foot; seizing an airport that has been in ruins for years; destroying a power station, plunging large parts of the Gaza Strip into darkness; distributing flyers suggesting that people be concerned about their fate; a menacing flight over Bashar Assad's palace; and arresting elected Hamas officials: The government wishes to convince us that all these actions are intended only to release the soldier Gilad Shalit.
But the greater the government's creativity in inventing tactics, the more it seems to reflect a loss of direction rather than an overall conception based on reason and common sense. On the face of it, Israel wishes to exert increasing pressure both on Hamas' political leadership and on the Palestinian public, in order to induce it to pressure its leadership to release the soldier. At the same time, the government claims that Syria - or at least Khaled Meshal, who is living in Syria - holds the key. If so, what is the point of pressuring the local Palestinian leadership, which did not know of the planned attack and which, when it found out, demanded that the kidnappers take good care of their victim and return him?
The tactic of pressuring civilians has been tried before, and more than once. The Lebanese, for example, are very familiar with the Israeli tactic of destroying power stations and infrastructure. Entire villages in south Lebanon have been terrorized, with the inhabitants fleeing in their thousands for Beirut. But what also happens under such extreme stress is that local divisions evaporate and a strong, united leadership is forged.
In the end, Israel was forced both to negotiate with Hezbollah and to withdraw from Lebanon. Now, the government appears to be airing out its Lebanon catalogue of tactics and implementing it, as though nothing has been learned since then. One may assume that the results will be similar this time around as well.
Israel also kidnapped people from Lebanon to serve as bargaining chips in dealings with the kidnappers of Israeli soldiers. Now, it is trying out this tactic on Hamas politicians. As the prime minister said in a closed meeting: "They want prisoners released? We'll release these detainees in exchange for Shalit." By "these detainees," he was referring to elected Hamas officials.
The prime minister is a graduate of a movement whose leaders were once exiled, only to return with their heads held high and in a stronger position than when they were deported. But he believes that with the Palestinians, things work differently.
As one who knows that all the Hamas activists deported by Yitzhak Rabin returned to leadership and command positions in the organization, Olmert should know that arresting leaders only strengthens them and their supporters. But this is not merely faulty reasoning; arresting people to use as bargaining chips is the act of a gang, not of a state.
The government was caught up too quickly in a whirlwind of prestige mixed with fatigue. It must return to its senses at once, be satisfied with the threats it has made, free the detained Hamas politicians and open negotiations. The issue is a soldier who must be brought home, not changing the face of the Middle East.
Originally posted by: Meuge
I suppose your way of dealing with terrorists is to invite them over for tea. Really, I hope all you ****** who love these people so much go over there and talk to them. Explain to them how much you support their plight, as they're cutting your throat... I am sure they'll listen.Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: daniel49
there is no government in the world that has been dealing with arab terrorists as long as Isreal.
They simply understand what it takes to deal with these people.
Something the United States and Europe have no stomach for.
You can see how well our ideas of appeasement have worked In Palestine.
and for some reason, it never actually gets dealt with does it, it just keeps going on.
Terrorist tactics used against Terrorists .. Hmm.. begins to make you wonder.. who the terrorists are...
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Meuge
I suppose your way of dealing with terrorists is to invite them over for tea. Really, I hope all you ****** who love these people so much go over there and talk to them. Explain to them how much you support their plight, as they're cutting your throat... I am sure they'll listen.Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: daniel49
there is no government in the world that has been dealing with arab terrorists as long as Isreal.
They simply understand what it takes to deal with these people.
Something the United States and Europe have no stomach for.
You can see how well our ideas of appeasement have worked In Palestine.
and for some reason, it never actually gets dealt with does it, it just keeps going on.
Terrorist tactics used against Terrorists .. Hmm.. begins to make you wonder.. who the terrorists are...
And send me a postcard of your holiday.
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Meuge
I suppose your way of dealing with terrorists is to invite them over for tea. Really, I hope all you ****** who love these people so much go over there and talk to them. Explain to them how much you support their plight, as they're cutting your throat... I am sure they'll listen.Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: daniel49
there is no government in the world that has been dealing with arab terrorists as long as Isreal.
They simply understand what it takes to deal with these people.
Something the United States and Europe have no stomach for.
You can see how well our ideas of appeasement have worked In Palestine.
and for some reason, it never actually gets dealt with does it, it just keeps going on.
Terrorist tactics used against Terrorists .. Hmm.. begins to make you wonder.. who the terrorists are...
And send me a postcard of your holiday.
From the land of God .. :roll:
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Meuge
I suppose your way of dealing with terrorists is to invite them over for tea. Really, I hope all you ****** who love these people so much go over there and talk to them. Explain to them how much you support their plight, as they're cutting your throat... I am sure they'll listen.Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: daniel49
there is no government in the world that has been dealing with arab terrorists as long as Isreal.
They simply understand what it takes to deal with these people.
Something the United States and Europe have no stomach for.
You can see how well our ideas of appeasement have worked In Palestine.
and for some reason, it never actually gets dealt with does it, it just keeps going on.
Terrorist tactics used against Terrorists .. Hmm.. begins to make you wonder.. who the terrorists are...
And send me a postcard of your holiday.
From the land of God .. :roll:
no ,your tickets say Gaza.
Originally posted by: Markbnj
Fact is that Israel is much better at killing Palestinian civilians than the terrorists are at killng Israelis.
Why don't you present some relative numbers for deaths on either side before you spout stuff like this, k? And be sure to include the relative percentages of noncombatants killed, including women and children under 10.
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Meuge
I suppose your way of dealing with terrorists is to invite them over for tea. Really, I hope all you ****** who love these people so much go over there and talk to them. Explain to them how much you support their plight, as they're cutting your throat... I am sure they'll listen.Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: daniel49
there is no government in the world that has been dealing with arab terrorists as long as Isreal.
They simply understand what it takes to deal with these people.
Something the United States and Europe have no stomach for.
You can see how well our ideas of appeasement have worked In Palestine.
and for some reason, it never actually gets dealt with does it, it just keeps going on.
Terrorist tactics used against Terrorists .. Hmm.. begins to make you wonder.. who the terrorists are...
And send me a postcard of your holiday.
From the land of God .. :roll:
no ,your tickets say Gaza.
How do you feel knowing that God chooses Israelis over you a Gentile.. ..
That whole area is the land of ONE GOD.. Yaweh.. so bring it on and do some more killing for God.. it makes him proud to see his people defend themselves by killing and killing and killing YUMM
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: Meuge
I suppose your way of dealing with terrorists is to invite them over for tea. Really, I hope all you ****** who love these people so much go over there and talk to them. Explain to them how much you support their plight, as they're cutting your throat... I am sure they'll listen.Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: daniel49
there is no government in the world that has been dealing with arab terrorists as long as Isreal.
They simply understand what it takes to deal with these people.
Something the United States and Europe have no stomach for.
You can see how well our ideas of appeasement have worked In Palestine.
and for some reason, it never actually gets dealt with does it, it just keeps going on.
Terrorist tactics used against Terrorists .. Hmm.. begins to make you wonder.. who the terrorists are...
And send me a postcard of your holiday.
From the land of God .. :roll:
no ,your tickets say Gaza.
How do you feel knowing that God chooses Israelis over you a Gentile.. ..
I feel great, since gentiles were grafted onto the olive tree through faith in Christ.
That whole area is the land of ONE GOD.. Yaweh.. so bring it on and do some more killing for God.. it makes him proud to see his people defend themselves by killing and killing and killing YUMM
Those statisics are ridiculous. Yes, Israel has killed many more Palestinians than they have killed Israelis, so what? What is that supposed to mean? To me that means that you should not pick a fight with someone who is better armed than you are.
I know that group very well. They have about 150-200 members of lunatics. Is that supposed to be representative of something?
Sure, because terrorists just scream and make scary faces, right. :roll:
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Thera
Originally posted by: daniel49
there is no government in the world that has been dealing with arab terrorists as long as Isreal.
They simply understand what it takes to deal with these people.
Something the United States and Europe have no stomach for.
You can see how well our ideas of appeasement have worked In Palestine.
Yeah, they certainly know how to "deal" with them. 50 years later and they still haven't figured it out.
Idiot.
Don't tell GI Job that.. Murder is the only way to change someones point of view.. and if you kill a few innocents in the process then the more the merrier
Sometimes innocents need to die to make changes, thinking anything else is naive.
Originally posted by: mylok
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Thera
Originally posted by: daniel49
there is no government in the world that has been dealing with arab terrorists as long as Isreal.
They simply understand what it takes to deal with these people.
Something the United States and Europe have no stomach for.
You can see how well our ideas of appeasement have worked In Palestine.
Yeah, they certainly know how to "deal" with them. 50 years later and they still haven't figured it out.
Idiot.
Don't tell GI Job that.. Murder is the only way to change someones point of view.. and if you kill a few innocents in the process then the more the merrier
Sometimes innocents need to die to make changes, thinking anything else is naive.
thats the kind of logic that will cause this conflict to never end.
Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: mylok
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Thera
Originally posted by: daniel49
there is no government in the world that has been dealing with arab terrorists as long as Isreal.
They simply understand what it takes to deal with these people.
Something the United States and Europe have no stomach for.
You can see how well our ideas of appeasement have worked In Palestine.
Yeah, they certainly know how to "deal" with them. 50 years later and they still haven't figured it out.
Idiot.
Don't tell GI Job that.. Murder is the only way to change someones point of view.. and if you kill a few innocents in the process then the more the merrier
Sometimes innocents need to die to make changes, thinking anything else is naive.
thats the kind of logic that will cause this conflict to never end.
That is the kind of logic terrorists use.
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Those statisics are ridiculous. Yes, Israel has killed many more Palestinians than they have killed Israelis, so what? What is that supposed to mean? To me that means that you should not pick a fight with someone who is better armed than you are.
I know that group very well. They have about 150-200 members of lunatics. Is that supposed to be representative of something?
Sure, because terrorists just scream and make scary faces, right. :roll:
A mistranslation of the Ten Commandments obviously. The original Hebrew clearly means Thou shalt not murder or perhaps more precisely thou shalt not commit manslaughter. The rest of the Torah makes it absolutely clear that killings are acceptable under certain circumstances.Originally posted by: fitzov
Thou shalt not kill.
Where is that from again?
Originally posted by: DrPizzaWhat do you suppose turns someone into a terrorist? Do you suppose they go to their guidance counselor who says "well, with grades like yours, you'd make an ideal terrorist."
Or, do you suppose genetics play a role in becoming a terrorist?
Consider this: An unemployed male, 20 years old. His father is killed after an attack to take out some known terrorist. Later, another close relative is killed senselessly by the Israelis. (senselessly in his opinion; in the Israeli's opinion, it was justified, because the person standing 20 feet from him was a terrorist.) Do you not suppose that this might cause enough anger in this young man to convince him to commit acts of terrorism against Israel?
Every time you kill more Palestinians, you create more people out to avenge their deaths. Well, if the count is correct, there are a lot of people on the Palestinian side who don't feel that their brother's/sister's/mother's/father's/cousin's/etc. death has been avenged yet.
Originally posted by: Aegeon
A mistranslation of the Ten Commandments obviously. The original Hebrew clearly means Thou shalt not murder or perhaps more precisely thou shalt not commit manslaughter. The rest of the Torah makes it absolutely clear that killings are acceptable under certain circumstances.Originally posted by: fitzov
Thou shalt not kill.
Where is that from again?
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It is not logic. It is always proceeded by the inane assumption or demonic intention to pretend the enemy is a monster and not a human identical to you. Every killer of man is a good person because he kills scum. He can't allow himself to see that makes him the same kind of scum. "It is always the other who is the monster and never ever me." He who hates himself needs a monster on which to dump that hate. There is no hate where self hate isn't the source. Man is in denial because what he first sees of the truth is that he himself IS the scum that he hates. Imagine the job required to reach truth then. One has to learn to love scum. Crucifixion and resurrection are actually forgiveness. Gods love falls on you as your love falls on scum.
Early Israelis attacked the British military. Call it what you want, but I define terrorism as attacking innocent civillians for a politcal end. Blowing up busses, resturants, wanton murder of completely innocent civillians. If you cannot see the difference you are being willfully blind.Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It is not logic. It is always proceeded by the inane assumption or demonic intention to pretend the enemy is a monster and not a human identical to you. Every killer of man is a good person because he kills scum. He can't allow himself to see that makes him the same kind of scum. "It is always the other who is the monster and never ever me." He who hates himself needs a monster on which to dump that hate. There is no hate where self hate isn't the source. Man is in denial because what he first sees of the truth is that he himself IS the scum that he hates. Imagine the job required to reach truth then. One has to learn to love scum. Crucifixion and resurrection are actually forgiveness. Gods love falls on you as your love falls on scum.
Quoted for Mother ****** truth.
Israel invented terrorism. It's kinda funny that they are getting hit back with it.
Either way though it's not ending soon. One side needs to die or both sides need something so severe for them to realize it. And I can think of something in mind... We nuke it all. I know I know call me an idiot. But really this ****** is so pathetic. Will they miss it more when it's gone and realize it was that useless to fight for it? lol well hey it's my kinda solution.
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Early Israelis attacked the British military. Call it what you want, but I define terrorism as attacking innocent civillians for a politcal end. BLowing up busses, resturants, wanton murder of completely innocent civillians. If you cannot see the difference you are being willfully blind.Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It is not logic. It is always proceeded by the inane assumption or demonic intention to pretend the enemy is a monster and not a human identical to you. Every killer of man is a good person because he kills scum. He can't allow himself to see that makes him the same kind of scum. "It is always the other who is the monster and never ever me." He who hates himself needs a monster on which to dump that hate. There is no hate where self hate isn't the source. Man is in denial because what he first sees of the truth is that he himself IS the scum that he hates. Imagine the job required to reach truth then. One has to learn to love scum. Crucifixion and resurrection are actually forgiveness. Gods love falls on you as your love falls on scum.
Quoted for Mother ****** truth.
Israel invented terrorism. It's kinda funny that they are getting hit back with it.
Either way though it's not ending soon. One side needs to die or both sides need something so severe for them to realize it. And I can think of something in mind... We nuke it all. I know I know call me an idiot. But really this ****** is so pathetic. Will they miss it more when it's gone and realize it was that useless to fight for it? lol well hey it's my kinda solution.