Originally posted by: PandaBear
Yeah right, if they laid down their arms today, they will forever lives in refuge camps, their kids will forever lives in refuge camps, and be treated like 2nd class citizen. It is like blaming the Black slaves for starting the civil wars in the US. Do you seriously think that a peace march in Israel will really get them their own state or their previous home back? If so, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell.
Get them their own state? They were given Gaza as their own sovereign land. They had millions and millions of dollars in foreign aid. They can live how they please on it. They can build towns, villages, cities and factories. They chose instead to continually lob rockets at Israel, forcing Israel to come back in and respond to the daily threat to it's citizens.
To some extend I agree with you on this issue. But on the other hand, a supressed population will always have more extremists than the better off one. If you don't believe me, look at Indonesia (the natives vs. the wealthy Chinese), or the US (black vs. white). It is always the population who got the shorter end of the stick that are more extreme, simply because they are usually less educated and have more struggles in life.
That may be true, but the reason they live the way they do is only because they continually attack Israel and they are dedicated to Israel's destruction. No, not all of them, but since they hide among a civillian population Israel has to be wary of everyone. It's their fault they live the way they do. Yes, it's a circular argument.
They certainly did a better job than you personally did. They interviewed a few Isralies who have relatives getting blown up by suicide bomber, and asked them why they still go on their daily routine (because they want to show no fear to the terrorists), and they do so because they want to stand for the rest of the country that they will not back down against the terrorists. If this is not covering the story on both sides in a good job, what is? blaming everything on the Palestinians?
I do not claim to be a reporter or a news agency. News agencies have a curious way of reporting things that either never happened, or completely misprepresenting something that did, and I've seen it happen firsthand. Watch the
Pallywood video for a small taste.
Then why aren't we (the US military) not doing it? Because we care about bringing freedom to others and we are keeping peace in foreign soil. They, the IDF, cares about bringing the soldier back at all cost. While they may not try to kill civilians, they certainly try to do as much colateral damage to the Palestinians as possible.
If that were true Gaza would be rubble. It's just not true.
The blanket statement that all elected Hamas politicians have hands that drip innocent blood is foolish. It is like saying all US soldiers rape Iraqi women and kill their family just because a few did.
It's not US official policy to rape Iraqi's, is it? Hamas is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. Bit of a difference there.
You know what this is? This is "it is only democracy if you elect people that I like, that will listen to me, that will accept Israel, that will not fight for a separate state of Palestine, that will not ask for their former homes back, that will not ask for an apartment per family, that will not ask for education for all people, ......" In other word, all Palestinians are terrorists if they are not puppets of the Isralie's government.
Oh please. They elected a gang of unrepentant murderers, and who continue to murder. Try electing a murderer as governer of your state. Stop painting a picture of Hamas as these peaceloving politicians who are concerned about education. BS. If they were so concerned about the Palestinian people they would immediately cease all terror operations. It causes more harm to their people than anything else they could possibly do.
Then they should have the international force come into the country to take care of them, if not because IDF is biased, it will at least make both side feel more convinced and the situation more justified.
Israel is quite capable of defending themselves, they do not need UN soldiers to come do it for them. The Palestinian's are concerned that the IDF is biased? Stop attacking Israel and they won't have that problem.
I am not saying that Palestinian civilians are more important (both sides civilians are important), but I am saying that unlike the typical 1st world military, IDF do not put priority in non-citizen civilians life in combats, and that is shown in the children's casulty difference.
Completely untrue. The reason the children's casulties are higher is because the terrorists hide among them and they actually encourage children to fight. And if you really believed civillians were important on both sides you'd save your idignation for the Palestinians who try to kill civillians.
So, I guess you want Israel to get all the land and either kick all the Palestinians out to every other country in the world, or force them to convert to Judism and become Jewish. Let's try that in the US and see if that works. Let's kick all the black people back to Africa and force all the mexican and chinese to change their last name to smith, white, or johnson.
Ummm, no, I have no idea how you get that. I want the Palestinians to stop attacking Israeli civillians thereby causing the Israelis to back down. Stop shooting rockets, stop blowing up cafes.
So they can do what? genocide? kick them out of the country? or put them all in jail?
No, so they don't have to continually look over their shoulders wondering about someone's wrong impression.