Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: DrPizzaWhat do you suppose turns someone into a terrorist? Do you suppose they go to their guidance counselor who says "well, with grades like yours, you'd make an ideal terrorist."
Or, do you suppose genetics play a role in becoming a terrorist?
Consider this: An unemployed male, 20 years old. His father is killed after an attack to take out some known terrorist. Later, another close relative is killed senselessly by the Israelis. (senselessly in his opinion; in the Israeli's opinion, it was justified, because the person standing 20 feet from him was a terrorist.) Do you not suppose that this might cause enough anger in this young man to convince him to commit acts of terrorism against Israel?
Every time you kill more Palestinians, you create more people out to avenge their deaths. Well, if the count is correct, there are a lot of people on the Palestinian side who don't feel that their brother's/sister's/mother's/father's/cousin's/etc. death has been avenged yet.
First of all, hate is what makes someone into a terrorist. And the hate was there before and without anybody dying on the Palestinian side (See Hebron massacre in 1929 before Israel had any land and before there was a state).
Secondly, I certainly don't buy that everyone Israel killed was an innocent civillian. That's a freaking important point that you overlooked. And even from those who are claimed to be innocents that were killed through Israeli actions, I doubt many of them are. The terrorists intentionally blur the line between civillians and not, it helps them to win the PR war which they certainly do. It's their fault civillians get killed. Israel has to respond to terror, and they terrorists hide among, and pretend to be civillians. If they cared so much about Palestinians they wouldn't do what they do. THEY bring it upon themselves and their people they profess to care about.
But what you say is true, civillians do die, and more hate is thereby created. And that's the obvious problem with fighting a group who hide among civillians. However, Israel is out of options, they have no choice in the matter. They cannot sit back and let their citizens be attacked. They must strike back each time or the murder will just go on unchecked.
They cannot sit back and let their citizens be attacked. They must strike back each time or the murder will just go on unchecked.
Normally I would not say this attack was a terror attack. However, the people that did it are terrorists, they belong to a terrorist organization, making it a terrorist attack. Looking through the lens of the history of Hamas and PRC, I can't take one attack and decide that they are not terrorists.Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Early Israelis attacked the British military. Call it what you want, but I define terrorism as attacking innocent civillians for a politcal end. BLowing up busses, resturants, wanton murder of completely innocent civillians. If you cannot see the difference you are being willfully blind.Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It is not logic. It is always proceeded by the inane assumption or demonic intention to pretend the enemy is a monster and not a human identical to you. Every killer of man is a good person because he kills scum. He can't allow himself to see that makes him the same kind of scum. "It is always the other who is the monster and never ever me." He who hates himself needs a monster on which to dump that hate. There is no hate where self hate isn't the source. Man is in denial because what he first sees of the truth is that he himself IS the scum that he hates. Imagine the job required to reach truth then. One has to learn to love scum. Crucifixion and resurrection are actually forgiveness. Gods love falls on you as your love falls on scum.
Quoted for Mother ****** truth.
Israel invented terrorism. It's kinda funny that they are getting hit back with it.
Either way though it's not ending soon. One side needs to die or both sides need something so severe for them to realize it. And I can think of something in mind... We nuke it all. I know I know call me an idiot. But really this ****** is so pathetic. Will they miss it more when it's gone and realize it was that useless to fight for it? lol well hey it's my kinda solution.
So there was nothing wrong with kidnap that solder?
The ignorance on these forums never ceases to amaze me.Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Israel invented terrorism.
Well, if it's funny, then I hope you die from laughter.Originally posted by: Praxis1452
It's kinda funny that they are getting hit back with it.
Originally posted by: Meuge
The ignorance on these forums never ceases to amaze me.Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Israel invented terrorism.
Well, if it's funny, then I hope you die from laughter.Originally posted by: Praxis1452
It's kinda funny that they are getting hit back with it.
Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It is not logic. It is always proceeded by the inane assumption or demonic intention to pretend the enemy is a monster and not a human identical to you. Every killer of man is a good person because he kills scum. He can't allow himself to see that makes him the same kind of scum. "It is always the other who is the monster and never ever me." He who hates himself needs a monster on which to dump that hate. There is no hate where self hate isn't the source. Man is in denial because what he first sees of the truth is that he himself IS the scum that he hates. Imagine the job required to reach truth then. One has to learn to love scum. Crucifixion and resurrection are actually forgiveness. Gods love falls on you as your love falls on scum.
Quoted for Mother ****** truth.
Israel invented terrorism. It's kinda funny that they are getting hit back with it.
Either way though it's not ending soon. One side needs to die or both sides need something so severe for them to realize it. And I can think of something in mind... We nuke it all. I know I know call me an idiot. But really this ****** is so pathetic. Will they miss it more when it's gone and realize it was that useless to fight for it? lol well hey it's my kinda solution.
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Meuge
"We the people of America?"Originally posted by: dahunan
WE THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA will have to pay possibly $48,000,000 to rebuild the power plant that Israel bombed.. :roll:
God LOVES Violence.. at least the God known as Jesus's Dad does (the God of the Jewish people).. Jesus's would be a little homo by todays standards
The plant is commercially insured. How the ****** are you making that link?
Huh AGAAIN -- HUH
In July 2004, a subsidiary of Morganti Group Inc., a Connecticut-based construction company, received $48 million in political risk insurance for the 140 megawatt plant from the U.S. Overseas Private Investment Corp. (OPIC), an arm of the U.S. government that backs American business deals abroad.
LOOK LOOK, I found another secondary profile used to troll!Originally posted by: Goalitalia
LOOK LOOK, I found more people who believe the net worth of 1 israeli > hundreds of palestinian civilians. Also consider this scenario, Israeli planes fly over PM Syria house, Syria has auto defense pact with Iran, Israel has defense pact with US; Iran, Russia, and China has mutual defense pact. Situation is definately ill. WWIII anyone?
/yawnOriginally posted by: Goalitalia
Are you serious....I just signed up a couple days ago..Talk to purplehippo if you have questions. But in the mean time, try to keep your posts at a above rural- Arkansas intelligence level.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
No matter who we are it seems we think we're better than every body else. It couldn't be more obvious than that this arises out of the fact that we actually feel inferior. There is no other possible explanation for arrogant self flattery than as a cover for inferiority.
Given that and a bit of realistic imagination, it matters little whether the Palestinians or the Israelis win because they will both be wiped off the face of the earth by the Chinese.
Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: dexvx
Originally posted by: daniel49
there is no government in the world that has been dealing with arab terrorists as long as Isreal.
They simply understand what it takes to deal with these people.
Something the United States and Europe have no stomach for.
You can see how well our ideas of appeasement have worked In Palestine.
LoL?
And how successful has Isreal been? Despite an extreme hardline approach, they have failed to stop the underlying problem of Terrorism. While it may solve the issue in the short term, it does nothing in the long-term.
How can a nation that was founded by terrorists condemn terrorism. The enemy is using the same tool the Zionist terrorists did when they carved out the borderless nation known as Israel. The IDF knew some kind of kidnapping operation was under way using tunnels before the kidnapping took place and used that time to mobilize and build up and prepare for an invasion. The last few weeks before the invasion Israel killed some 20 civilians. Fact is that Israel is much better at killing Palestinian civilians than the terrorists are at killng Israelis.
Shhh... don't damage the crust on this pile of ******.Originally posted by: Horus
Umm...nations other than Israel (Read: England, U.S.) designed Israel's borders.Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: dexvx
Originally posted by: daniel49
there is no government in the world that has been dealing with arab terrorists as long as Isreal.
They simply understand what it takes to deal with these people.
Something the United States and Europe have no stomach for.
You can see how well our ideas of appeasement have worked In Palestine.
LoL?
And how successful has Isreal been? Despite an extreme hardline approach, they have failed to stop the underlying problem of Terrorism. While it may solve the issue in the short term, it does nothing in the long-term.
How can a nation that was founded by terrorists condemn terrorism. The enemy is using the same tool the Zionist terrorists did when they carved out the borderless nation known as Israel. The IDF knew some kind of kidnapping operation was under way using tunnels before the kidnapping took place and used that time to mobilize and build up and prepare for an invasion. The last few weeks before the invasion Israel killed some 20 civilians. Fact is that Israel is much better at killing Palestinian civilians than the terrorists are at killng Israelis.
Why don't you provide some evidence for that, instead of worthless trolling.Originally posted by: GrGr
Aha so Israel isn't satisfied with that but wants more "Lebensraum"?
Originally posted by: daniel49
there is no government in the world that has been dealing with arab terrorists as long as Isreal.
They simply understand what it takes to deal with these people.
Something the United States and Europe have no stomach for.
You can see how well our ideas of appeasement have worked In Palestine.
Originally posted by: Kenazo
Originally posted by: daniel49
there is no government in the world that has been dealing with arab terrorists as long as Isreal.
They simply understand what it takes to deal with these people.
Something the United States and Europe have no stomach for.
You can see how well our ideas of appeasement have worked In Palestine.
Not that what Israel is doing has been terribly effective.
Originally posted by: daniel49
there is no government in the world that has been dealing with arab terrorists as long as Isreal.
They simply understand what it takes to deal with these people.
Something the United States and Europe have no stomach for.
You can see how well our ideas of appeasement have worked In Palestine.
Originally posted by: PandaBear
I don't understand why can people just have a blanket blame on Palestinians for all the deaths and attacks.
Both sides have their own f***ing faults, and both sides are getting what they deserves.
One of my Asian co-worker, who used to station in Israel, told me that when he was in Israel, he saw the suffering of Palestinian first hand. He literally saw a family of 10 packed in a 2 bedroom apartments. Frequently if a Palestinian family left for a few weeks, some Jewish hardliner will come and throw all their furnitures out of the house, and claim the house as their own. Then they have to get the soldiers there to get the house back. The Israel side get the vast majority of the resources: schools, hospitals, housing, water for agriculture, and the Palestinians have to wait for insufficient humanitarian aids in long lines. Kids grew up with parents who lost their home when Israel won the 6 day wars, and their family lost everything when they get kicked out of their home. All it took was a 7 year old girl to throw a stone at the Israeli tank to have them shut down the entire town's electricity. If you don't believe me, you can look at the San Francisco Chronicle's series from a couple years ago. They covered the struggles on both sides and did a very good job.
They kidnapped a SOLDIER, a freaking SOLDIER. When you join the army you are suppose to sacrafice for the greater good. Why is the government attacking university, politicians' office, and POWER PLANT to make a big deal out of it? What they are doing is harrassing the other side to create a pressure, or held the residents hostage, in exchange for a soldier.
Killing terrorists along with 10x the civilians ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE is never a smart move. What you are doing is a blanket killing that the Nazi and Japanese did in WWII. I don't care what people say about Palestinian's count include combatants, if you look at the children's death on both side you get the message that IDF just blow everything along the way including kids. It's not their kids, so they don't care.
Now, the Palestinians. They are not doing what they can in terms of getting more social services and corruption problems taken care of. They blame everything on Israel but Arafat did nothing but corruption along the way. You cannot win a war and get back your land if you are not self-controlling enough to do so. Where are the spokespersons and lobby groups to get international aids? Where are the Arab neighbors' fund for higher education and better health care, housing, etc? (I guess that's why Bin Laden is attacking the root cause of the problems, the Arab corruption in general, not that I support him, but he did see what many educated people see and agree with). All they did is blame, blame, and blame, and they want everything, the entire Israel should go away and the land back to them. This won't happen even if they have moral ground. What can you do with the rest of the Jews who grew up their and lived there for 2, 3, or 4 generations by now? It is their home too.
I think we (US, and the rest of the world) should just let them keep kicking themselves in the balls until they are both tired of it, then we can start the peace talk. That usually take a few generations to happen, or may never happen (i.e. Taiwan and China, Segregation in US and S. Africa, etc).
Originally posted by: PandaBear
I don't understand why can people just have a blanket blame on Palestinians for all the deaths and attacks.
Both sides have their own f***ing faults, and both sides are getting what they deserves.
One of my Asian co-worker, who used to station in Israel, told me that when he was in Israel, he saw the suffering of Palestinian first hand. He literally saw a family of 10 packed in a 2 bedroom apartments. Frequently if a Palestinian family left for a few weeks, some Jewish hardliner will come and throw all their furnitures out of the house, and claim the house as their own. Then they have to get the soldiers there to get the house back. The Israel side get the vast majority of the resources: schools, hospitals, housing, water for agriculture, and the Palestinians have to wait for insufficient humanitarian aids in long lines. Kids grew up with parents who lost their home when Israel won the 6 day wars, and their family lost everything when they get kicked out of their home. All it took was a 7 year old girl to throw a stone at the Israeli tank to have them shut down the entire town's electricity. If you don't believe me, you can look at the San Francisco Chronicle's series from a couple years ago. They covered the struggles on both sides and did a very good job.
They kidnapped a SOLDIER, a freaking SOLDIER. When you join the army you are suppose to sacrafice for the greater good. Why is the government attacking university, politicians' office, and POWER PLANT to make a big deal out of it? What they are doing is harrassing the other side to create a pressure, or held the residents hostage, in exchange for a soldier.
Killing terrorists along with 10x the civilians ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE is never a smart move. What you are doing is a blanket killing that the Nazi and Japanese did in WWII. I don't care what people say about Palestinian's count include combatants, if you look at the children's death on both side you get the message that IDF just blow everything along the way including kids. It's not their kids, so they don't care.
Now, the Palestinians. They are not doing what they can in terms of getting more social services and corruption problems taken care of. They blame everything on Israel but Arafat did nothing but corruption along the way. You cannot win a war and get back your land if you are not self-controlling enough to do so. Where are the spokespersons and lobby groups to get international aids? Where are the Arab neighbors' fund for higher education and better health care, housing, etc? (I guess that's why Bin Laden is attacking the root cause of the problems, the Arab corruption in general, not that I support him, but he did see what many educated people see and agree with). All they did is blame, blame, and blame, and they want everything, the entire Israel should go away and the land back to them. This won't happen even if they have moral ground. What can you do with the rest of the Jews who grew up their and lived there for 2, 3, or 4 generations by now? It is their home too.
I think we (US, and the rest of the world) should just let them keep kicking themselves in the balls until they are both tired of it, then we can start the peace talk. That usually take a few generations to happen, or may never happen (i.e. Taiwan and China, Segregation in US and S. Africa, etc).
Simple. If The Palestinians laid down their arms today, they'd live in peace. If the Israelis did they'd be destroyed.Originally posted by: PandaBear
I don't understand why can people just have a blanket blame on Palestinians for all the deaths and attacks.
Both sides have their own f***ing faults, and both sides are getting what they deserves.
Both sides have their extremists. The difference is the vast majority of Israelis dislike Israeli extremists, the vast majority of Palestinians fully support the extremists.One of my Asian co-worker, who used to station in Israel, told me that when he was in Israel, he saw the suffering of Palestinian first hand. He literally saw a family of 10 packed in a 2 bedroom apartments. Frequently if a Palestinian family left for a few weeks, some Jewish hardliner will come and throw all their furnitures out of the house, and claim the house as their own. Then they have to get the soldiers there to get the house back.
I highly doubt they did a good job. Just saying firsthand from when I've seen the media completely skew things.The Israel side get the vast majority of the resources: schools, hospitals, housing, water for agriculture, and the Palestinians have to wait for insufficient humanitarian aids in long lines. Kids grew up with parents who lost their home when Israel won the 6 day wars, and their family lost everything when they get kicked out of their home. All it took was a 7 year old girl to throw a stone at the Israeli tank to have them shut down the entire town's electricity. If you don't believe me, you can look at the San Francisco Chronicle's series from a couple years ago. They covered the struggles on both sides and did a very good job.
Normally you'd be correct. But the people who kidnapped the soldier belong to a terrorist organization that shoots missles into towns and cities at random, sends suicide bombers into cities to kill as many civillians as possible. So it's very different in this conflict. They hit the university building which is a Hamas stronghold. They're not sitting there studying phsyics. You say "politicians" like they're harmless normal public servants. They are members of Hamas, which is dedicated to the destruction of Israel. Their hands are dripping innocent blood.They kidnapped a SOLDIER, a freaking SOLDIER. When you join the army you are suppose to sacrafice for the greater good. Why is the government attacking university, politicians' office, and POWER PLANT to make a big deal out of it? What they are doing is harrassing the other side to create a pressure, or held the residents hostage, in exchange for a soldier.
There is no other way to fight a group who intentionally blurs the line between terrorist and civillians. They bring death to the same people they claim to be concerned about. Israel cannot sit back, they have to respond. Why are Palestinian civillians more important than Israeli civillans? And Israel does not intentionally target them.Killing terrorists along with 10x the civilians ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE is never a smart move. What you are doing is a blanket killing that the Nazi and Japanese did in WWII. I don't care what people say about Palestinian's count include combatants, if you look at the children's death on both side you get the message that IDF just blow everything along the way including kids. It's not their kids, so they don't care.
Hear, hear (aside from the ridiculous 'moral ground' comment).Now, the Palestinians. They are not doing what they can in terms of getting more social services and corruption problems taken care of. They blame everything on Israel but Arafat did nothing but corruption along the way. You cannot win a war and get back your land if you are not self-controlling enough to do so. Where are the spokespersons and lobby groups to get international aids? Where are the Arab neighbors' fund for higher education and better health care, housing, etc? (I guess that's why Bin Laden is attacking the root cause of the problems, the Arab corruption in general, not that I support him, but he did see what many educated people see and agree with). All they did is blame, blame, and blame, and they want everything, the entire Israel should go away and the land back to them. This won't happen even if they have moral ground. What can you do with the rest of the Jews who grew up their and lived there for 2, 3, or 4 generations by now? It is their home too.
Israel would like nothing better than to have their hands untied by the US and world opinion.I think we (US, and the rest of the world) should just let them keep kicking themselves in the balls until they are both tired of it, then we can start the peace talk. That usually take a few generations to happen, or may never happen (i.e. Taiwan and China, Segregation in US and S. Africa, etc).