Israel: We Are At War

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JEDIYoda

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An incredibly weak showing by Antony Blinken on PBS Newshour tonight. When asked if the US could independently verify IDF claims of a command center under the hospital, Secretary Blinken stated that we could, based on "past Hamas practices and the IDF photos".

When pressed further by Amna Nawaz about independent verification, he stated something like "we expect further verification to be forthcoming as time passes."

This guys smells of Colin Powell circa 2003.
no, the guy is being truthful.
 
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JEDIYoda

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Israel just isn't going to stop till they are salified that they have taken out HAMAS command and control and captured/killed most of the leadership that exists within HAMAS. Once they have good control over a sector with a well defended road leading to a hospital, then they will probably allow some humanitarian aid in - just to take pressure off their allies (they don't really care). All the Arab nations are backing off. They don't want to have to deal with the Palestinians either and many aren't keen on losing access to the local high tech resources that Israel has. So, allot of thunder with no lightning.

Even the Iranians are backing off. We've launched some deadly USAF strikes against Iranian backed Iraqi militia groups after our bases were attacked. Iran got the message, especially with two CSGs in the region. The US government has had a long history of backing Israel and is probably waiting an 'appropriate' amount of time before we push for a cease fire when Israel has achieved some of it's more important military goals. We are also in a difficult place given what we did after the 9/11 bombings - not exactly a shining moment for the US.

So that just that. People can keep protesting, and I hope they do, but I don't see anything changing over the next few weeks unless HAMAS just collapses unexpectedly under IDF pressure.

I am deeply saddened by the high civilian death toll and the lack of food, water and medical care. I'm just pointing out that Realpolitik is a bitch. That's all.
Exactly!! Even Iran does not want to be more involved!! Iran has basically told Hamas you are on your own!! Why? Because deep down Iran knows Israel is right!!
 
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KMFJD

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What's this "burned alive" story about? I must have missed it. Who's claiming what/when/where?
Oct 7th attack in one of the Kibbutz , they found a few burned beyond recognition bodies, i believe that's where they got the burned babies idea from...turns out it was actually Hamas terrorists blown to pieces when IDF forces shelled the houses(with Hamas and supposedly some hostages) with HE Rounds
 

mikeymikec

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Oct 7th attack in one of the Kibbutz , they found a few burned beyond recognition bodies, i believe that's where they got the burned babies idea from...turns out it was actually Hamas terrorists blown to pieces when IDF forces shelled the houses(with Hamas and supposedly some hostages) with HE Rounds

Links?
 

Perknose

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Netanyahu lying his ass off on NPR interview as we speak.

Being heard by me at 9:15am on whyy radio serving Philly area. By "lying his ass off" I mean the wholesale exaggerations he spouted about what they've (as yet) found in the hospital. Now, I will hold off on judgement as to what they might yet find re: Hamas using the hospital, but THIS GUY is a lying pos.
 

KMFJD

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These are some of the ones i saw


https://www.ibtimes.sg/israel-relea...alive-some-beheaded-by-hamas-terrorists-71942 (NSFL)


there had been claims from survivors that the IDF shot into the houses to dislodge terrorists



Archived Haaretz article: https://archive.ph/YkVV5
~According to a police source, the investigation also shows that an IDF combat helicopter that arrived to the scene and fired at terrorists there apparently also hit some revelers
 
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amenx

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So....you really don`t get it do you?? The United Nations is just a paper tiger at best! I am sure you can do better than your attempt to copy and paste.
Why are Israel and the U.S. members of it then? Why is the US a signatory to the unanimous UNSC resolution 465 deploring Israel for its territorial acquisitions since the 1967 war which "have no legal validity" and "constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East."? This is pretty revealing and cuts through Israeli propaganda like butter.

The UN can be a paper tiger when one of its members tries to subvert its proper functioning and manipulates a super power to do its bidding through political lobbying, sure.
 
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amenx

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Again. You just do not get it ! That is not even close to being the truth! Israel was not the aggressor here. Israel has a right to defend itself! Hamas should have never started this.
The tit for tat game has already been in motion long before Hamas came into being. You simply cherry picked a convenient starting point helpful to Israels narrative. When you kill, maim whole families, bulldoze their houses and property and bomb the hell out of them every so often, some pricks like Hamas will eventually come into being and bite back.
 

amenx

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Btw, there does appear to be an underground bunker and tunnel system under the Shifa hospital. The hospital has existed since the 1940s under the British Mandate, then switched to Egyptian control until 1967 when Israel invaded the territory.

The Israelis refurbished it and built the bunker and tunnel system underneath. According to Israeli Tablet Magazine from 2014:

"The Israelis are so sure about the location of the Hamas bunker, however, not because they are trying to score propaganda points, or because it has been repeatedly mentioned in passing by Western reporters—but because they built it. Back in 1983, when Israel still ruled Gaza, they built a secure underground operating room and tunnel network beneath Shifa hospital—which is one among several reasons why Israeli security sources are so sure that there is a main Hamas command bunker in or around the large cement basement beneath the area of Building 2 of the Hospital..."

Remember, this was written in 2014.


Whether it is the main Hamas command center remains to be seen. Would be a pretty dumb of them to use it as such knowing the Israelis would be very familiar with it.
 

hal2kilo

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TV made me cry this morning. They were following families trying to evacuate somewhere safe I guess, heading south and one of the families neighbors son had just been shot (probably to death). The father was so beside himself and the other family was trying to comfort him and at the same time saying we have to keep moving. This shit has got to stop. Heartless bastards on BOTHSIDES!.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Not taking sides here, but that would make perfect sense, actually. The weapons would be the bait.
You don't bait with stuff that's actually valuable, you bait with stuff the person you're trying to bait thinks is valuable. Why would you trade a dozen good weapons for one dead opponent?
 
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GodisanAtheist

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Feels like the booby trapped truck is going to be our next hyper fixation point.

I kinda feel like *of course* Hamas is going to use hospitals and craps as staging areas, with or without the knowledge of the actual hospital staff.

They're fighting an asymmetrical war with such a disproportionately fucked ratio against their favor that they would be stupid not to use literally anything that might give them even the slightest advantage.

If Hamas is really smart, I suspect they will stop even trying to engage IDF outside of small harassment attacks, melt back into the general Palestinian population, and then subsequently let IDF become their own worst enemy as Palestinian civil deaths pile up without much to show for it.
 
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MrSquished

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Good for the protesters. America is supporting one of the most disgusting things going on in the world today. Back in the Israelis in this horrific killing of civilians and non-stop lying and propaganda. Biden should be ashamed of himself for not calling for a ceasefire.

Of course the Israelis lied about burned bodies and killing their own citizens. We knew this from the beginning that they were mostly full of shit. They've been a pathologically lying nation for decades now.

I'm glad to see some other countries call out the evil that is the Israeli government
 
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