A major contention I make in this thread is that to me that was obvious decades ago and was obvious also to any who understand human psychology.
I find humanity here:
A major contention I make in this thread is that to me that was obvious decades ago and was obvious also to any who understand human psychology.Well then both are truly fucked as there is no give on either side.
Exceptional video.A major contention I make in this thread is that to me that was obvious decades ago and was obvious also to any who understand human psychology.
I find humanity here:
Seems to me that concern for hostages is both obligatory and perfunctory. Non negotiation with terrorists is a hard stand to take.Exceptional video.
Disagree with him on the ceasefire part.
The only way forward on the ceasefire is when Hamas returns all of the hostages. It is the only way to peace. Hamas just needs to do it.
Lastly, the Palestinian death toll counts are massively under-counted. They are saying 12,000, but I would argue more like 120,000 dead Palestinian so far. The numbers released don't match the destruction visible, or the reports of the smell of death from many buildings. The death toll will exceed the wounded considerably.
This is going to be way worse then anyone realizes, including the Israelis. I think only Biden has a real clue. Hamas is caught up in madness and doesn't care. The Israelis are caught up in madness and don't care.
The only way to stop it is for somehow all the hostages to be freed.
Now I understand why a girl trying to collect rainwater was shot by the military and her brother was dragging her corpse through the streets
It's also makes farming next to impossible, can't dig new wells either without a permit and guess who never get's a permit.Now I understand why a girl trying to collect rainwater was shot by the military and her brother was dragging her corpse through the streets
Technically correct, some states do put restrictions on itFun fact: there are rainwater restrictions/bans in a lot of US states as well.
what a lying piece of shit.falling on mostly deaf Western ears but it was a good speech
what a lying piece of shit.
We have stood for peace and international law for 75 years! As anyone who knows history will know . .
That is the claim the Palestinian spokesperson makes in the video.Who is “we”?
Thanks, I wasn't getting that context from your first post.That is the claim the Palestinian spokesperson makes in the video.
But I watched the whole thing. It doesn't want to load a second time on my computer so I am having difficulty giving you the minute marker. X does that to me.
But the propaganda she continuously says is Palestine has always stood for peace and Israel has always stood for evil. Which is a complete denial of both the circle of violence between Palestine and Israel, but between Palestine and all of its neighbors.
Palestine is a desperate nation and desperate nations do desperate things. To do those things and then claim you always have stood for peace and international law is hypocritical at best. To move past history it first has to be accepted. Not just by the Israelis, but by the Palestinians.
It has not been a one, two, or three sided exchange. It has been a complete mess. Stop acting like saints and acknowledge that. As long as Palestine sticks itself on a sanctified holy pedestal it will never be able to accept compromise. Look at Gaza. It is time to make compromises.
Attacked, or leveled?Hezbollah attacked an IDF base
oh, its all the Israel's fault again, eh?Looks like someone was cherry picking spiced up events from Israeli Foreign ministry propaganda book.
No one rejected the 2 state solution in actions more than Israel itself. Nyet-anyahu was against the Oslo accords and demolished them with rapid settlements expansion purely for the purpose of making the 2 state solution virtually impossible for any future Israeli govt to reverse.
Whats been happening in Gaza the past month has been happening to the Pals on a slower, almost unnoticeable pace over the past 75 years with ethnic cleansing, home demolitions, land evictions, destruction of farmlands, 1000s of dead men, women and children on top of a horrific apartheid system meant to accelerate the pushing out of the remaining Pals out whatever territories they have left.
Out of that hellish experience, a fierce resistance or terrorism whatever you want to call it was bound to emerge from the rubble. Israel isnt dumb, they knew this and encouraged it so as to give them an excuse to expel every last Pal out of their remaining lands.
The Palestinian resistance movement was expelled in its entirety out of the newly stolen lands by Israel in the 67 war. Jordan, whose population is half Palestinian, and the closest geographically to the West Bank naturally took them in and in solidarity with their cause. Competing factions within the Pals did not agree on limitations to their struggle using Jordan as a base to continue their resistance vs Israel and turned on Hussein who got the upper hand and expelled them to Lebanon who took them in. The same scenario basically repeated itself there. Yes, it was a tragedy on so many levels caused by their fucked up leadership at the time but that does not abrogate the rights of the Pal people who number several million and as enshrined by UN resolutions and international law as you seem to be suggesting.oh, its all the Israel's fault again, eh?
lets swing the flashlight back to our lovely UN spokesman. So after the Palestinian Liberation Organization gets its ass kicked in Jordan they decide that perhaps Lebanon would be an easier target.
So they build up a base in Beirut, and then kick off what will become the Lebanese Civil War on April 13 1975 when they try to seize control of the capital. Instead they end up in a full on battle with Kataeb Christian militia's and destroy the entire downtown area of Beirut, dividing both the government and the army. and murdering a whole bunch of civilians.
The Lebanese civil war is not a nice civil affair, and the PLO doesn't come out on top. But I am sure the 150,000 dead Lebanese, a legacy of mines, and who knows how many wounded made Lebanon a better place today.
But yea, all Israel's fault. Palestine never did anything bad ever. Attempted to overthrow 4 of its neighbors governments with force of arms, but yea, completely innocent of everything. Never mind that 3 of those were not Israeli.
Refusing to admit circles of violence exist simply keeps the circles rotating.
The Palestinian resistance movement was expelled in its entirety out of the newly stolen lands by Israel in the 67 war. Jordan, whose population is half Palestinian, and the closest geographically to the West Bank naturally took them in and in solidarity with their cause. Competing factions within the Pals did not agree on limitations to their struggle using Jordan as a base to continue their resistance vs Israel and turned on Hussein who got the upper hand and expelled them to Lebanon who took them in. The same scenario basically repeated itself there. Yes, it was a tragedy on so many levels caused by their fucked up leadership at the time but that does not abrogate the rights of the Pal people who number several million and as enshrined by UN resolutions and international law as you seem to be suggesting.
But I get it, some fuckwits think that genociding Gaza is OK and a vicious apartheid regime in the WB is forgivable by virtue of being a country supported by the West. I'll bet Goebbels would be mighty impressed at how his craft was so sharply honed to snare so many gullibles in such a widely cast net.