Israel: We Are At War

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Israeli army’s expanded authorization for bombing non-military targets, the loosening of constraints regarding expected civilian casualties, and the use of an artificial intelligence system to generate more potential targets than ever before, appear to have contributed to the destructive nature of the initial stages of Israel’s current war on the Gaza Strip, an investigation by +972 Magazine and Local Call reveals. These factors, as described by current and former Israeli intelligence members, have likely played a role in producing what has been one of the deadliest military campaigns against Palestinians since the Nakba of 1948...

 
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Something i had read earlier on Twitter and a news report but it never made it to mainstream news until i saw these


Washington Post also picked up the story

 

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In news that everyone can get behind, Bibi's trial has resumed


~Netanyahu's trial is now nearing the end of the prosecution's case, in which the prosecution's witnesses are testifying. The prosecution case is expected to end within a few months, after which the defense case will begin - which will open with Prime Minister Netanyahu's testimony. However, there may be a break between the prosecution case and the defense case.
 

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A rather interesting video released today, there where reports that Hamas had blown up an IOF camp by laying some antitank devices (ied's?) around a camp,. Really surprised at how close they can get, you would think they'd secure an area like that, no idea if this was that camp, i haven't seen anything from sources other than ones that quote a Hamas spokesman , so i doubt the varicity of the numbers they had suggested.

 

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Haaretz again saying that intel sources warned them the night before Oct 7th

‘This Massacre Should Have Been Prevented’ |

Despite Israeli Intelligence Warnings About a Hamas Attack, the Army Didn’t Evacuate the Nova Festival​

Top defense officials held urgent consultations the night before October 7 about a possible Hamas attack. But no one in the IDF notified the the Nova festival organizers or the party-goers, hundreds of whom were mown down – and for nine hours, no one came to save them

Archive article - https://archive.is/JcRWm#selection-453.0-461.268
 
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Top defense officials held urgent consultations the night before October 7 about a possible Hamas attack. But no one in the IDF notified the the Nova festival organizers or the party-goers, hundreds of whom were mown down – and for nine hours, no one came to save them
Nine hours! Waiting for the death toll to reach an "acceptable" level so they could justify bombing Gaza?
 

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Mark Regev nailed. Like a deer caught in the headlights. Must be so used to the western press soft-gloving him over the years. And after Mehdi Hassan's go with him, he will probably be nervous in future interviews unless with Fox.
 
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First press from the released hostages

Archived News 12 webpage https://archive.is/YwgPu

Translation if you do not have one installed

The War Cabinet met up today (Tuesday) in Herzliya with representatives of the families of the hostages and with those who've returned from captivity. The meeting is being held following a demand from the families, after they announced they would consider intensifying their measures if the cabinet doesn't meet with them. The hostages who were released from captivity by Hamas and participated in the meeting: Yarden Roman, Irena Tati, Yelena Trupanov, Raz Ben Ami and Sharon Konio.

One of the hostages who was released told the ministers terrible things about the situation in captivity: "We didn't even have anyone to ask for water. There were bombs all the time, including ones that fell a few meters from us. We woke up from this, but the terrorists continued sleeping. The released hostage hurled at the ministers: "You are putting their lives at risk every moment you don't go for another deal. Don't turn their families into bereaved families."

Sharon Kunio, who was released with her children, said at the hearing: "I returned on the fourth beat [she means swap]. My feeling is that you have no idea what's going on over there at all. You claim that there's intelligence, but the fact is that we were shelled. My husband was separated from us 3 days before we were released. My daughters ask where dad is and I have to say that the bad guys don't want to release him. They put politics above returning the hostages. You think the men are strong? It's too hard for them. Return them all. I put elderly women in diapers, I've seen men die next to me. None of us deserve any less treatment than any other Israeli citizen. Don't wait another month or another year."

Aviva Sigal, which was also released, added: "It's a story that you can't imagine, beyond any imagination a human being can bear. I left my husband Keith there, he isn't healthy, his ribs were broken and he could barely sit or eat. I didn't sleep, I didn't eat there because I couldn't. I was passed through a lot of places. I thought I was going to explode any second. We were sitting and suddenly a closet fell. They didn't think there would be such a shockwave, it fell on us and luckily nothing happened. We ran out of medicine, they gave us incorrect medicine."

Aviva's daughter stated: "I want to say that all the talk about toppling Hamas is a joke in my eyes. My father was humiliated there."

At one point the discussion got heated and shouts of "shame" were heard. The released hostages asked the ministers: "Stop dragging us" and one of the mothers told the ministers that they were "going through a holocaust." A woman who participated in the discussion said that her father is constantly being humiliated. Gili Roman, whose sister Yarden was abducted to Gaza, said at the end of the discussion that "the cabinet came unprepared." Netanyahu replied that he took it to heart and that they "made their voices heard. "

"Our mission is to return all the hostages home," said Gal Hirsh, who's in charge of the hostages and the missing, at the entrance to the meeting. "We're excited to meet those who returned in this forum today. This is a special opportunity for the Cabinet to hear the things that worry the hostages' families. I've been in contact with the family members for many weeks, they're my family through and through."

137 hostages are still being held in the Gaza Strip. The previous meeting of the hostages' families with the War Cabinet was held two weeks ago, and it took place during reports of negotiations for a deal to release the hostages. At that meeting, the families testified that Gallant and Netanyahu told them: "The return of the hostages and the destruction of Hamas - equal goals."

 

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I read this last night, the state of politics in Israel at the moment:

Likud is in coalition with two parties (Jewish power and Religious Zionism) and two ultra-orthodox religious parties (UTJ and shas), National union/benny gantz joined them after the attacks on Oct 7th

Likud is arguably the most left-leaning party in the coalition (not counting national union which is extremely centrist) which tells you where Israeli politics has gone in the past decade.
 

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Little known Israeli documentary film examines Israeli war crimes committed vs Palestinians in 1948 (pretty sure considerable efforts went into keeping this out of the western media).


Yosef Diamant and Amitzur Cohen enthusiastically relate their activities during the 1948 war. Amitzur was originally a member of the Lehi terrorist group whose members went on to form the IDF. But the world only hears about Hamas and Oct 7.

Listen to these fuckers laugh as they speak of murdering and raping:

 
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~Article 99 states: “The Secretary-General may bring to the attention of the Security Council any matter which in his opinion may threaten the maintenance of international peace and security.”


Sounds good except - there is little that member countries can be forced to do.

There's not much news coming out of Gaza other than propaganda from both sides at the moment
 

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Not that I can do anything about it, but I have no tolerance left for Israel. The one thing this whole tragedy has revealed is just how wacked Israeli politics are and the clarity of how they are an Apartheid state. They need to stop using artillery and air launched bombs - the collateral damage is just way too high. The world community should be allowed to get aid into Gaza, the funds, resources, personnel and will is there. Now, after moving hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to the South, the IDF has increased bombing there and is preparing for ground based military action as well. The present situation is just sickening.

The Mrs. and I were planning on making a pilgrimage to Israel to visit Christian holy sites. I can't stomach the idea anymore.
 

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Probably because the resolution would only effect one party in the conflict.
Nope. The only reason they've gone this path is that US decision makers are in the grips of a monstrously powerful lobby that can make or break anyone in the US political system. If not for that, Israel would have been declared a pariah state long ago.
 
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