Israel: We Are At War

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Jaskalas

Lifer
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He apparently supports the Jaskalas school of carpet bombing Gaza back "into the stone age."
I literally never said those words.
Was it something to that effect?

My actual position is that Israel is fully justified in counter battery fire. Not that they have limited themselves to just that. By all accounts they have gone well beyond responding to rockets. But that takes me to my second point, the war should continue until there are no more hostages. I would end their suffering one way or another. That there are hostages means I would capture Gaza.

@Leeea recently laid out the next logical part.
How do you want this to end, with Hamas continuing to start wars in the future?
I would value peace, a lasting peace. That goal is antithetical to Hamas's continued existence. Capture, seize control of, and filter the people. Absorb them into Israel. No one else will have them, and attempts to leave them alone clearly failed when Hamas started this war. Ignoring Hamas is no longer an option.

Hamas chooses how many people die in this war. I would not hold Israel accountable for that.
I WOULD hold Israel accountable for how they handle the post-war. How people are treated afterwards.

I make no qualms about fighting a war in a dense urban environment being an atrocity.
But I make clear distinctions for who starts it, who has to finish it, and why.
You fail to provide any viable alternatives. You just want Hamas to live, and for people to die another day.
 

HomerJS

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Yeah, I read the NYT article this morning, which prompted the question. I see a whole lot of right wing hand wringing over "what's happening on campuses" but I've see no real specifics of people calling for the genocide of Jews. So this seems like another right wing made up talking point, that democrats are falling all over themselves to help with.

ETA: I'm guessing these republican congressmen would feel much different about people for anti-black speech. There would be a whole shit ton of rednecks kicked out of college for that. The presidents probably should've just given a simple answer and submitted an amendment later with the caveats on it.
Meanwhile Miss Jew Space Laser is still in Congress.
 
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manly

Lifer
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I literally never said those words.
Was it something to that effect?

My actual position is that Israel is fully justified in counter battery fire. Not that they have limited themselves to just that. By all accounts they have gone well beyond responding to rockets. But that takes me to my second point, the war should continue until there are no more hostages. I would end their suffering one way or another. That there are hostages means I would capture Gaza.

@Leeea recently laid out the next logical part.
How do you want this to end, with Hamas continuing to start wars in the future?
I would value peace, a lasting peace. That goal is antithetical to Hamas's continued existence. Capture, seize control of, and filter the people. Absorb them into Israel. No one else will have them, and attempts to leave them alone clearly failed when Hamas started this war. Ignoring Hamas is no longer an option.

Hamas chooses how many people die in this war. I would not hold Israel accountable for that.
I WOULD hold Israel accountable for how they handle the post-war. How people are treated afterwards.

I make no qualms about fighting a war in a dense urban environment being an atrocity.
But I make clear distinctions for who starts it, who has to finish it, and why.
You fail to provide any viable alternatives. You just want Hamas to live, and for people to die another day.
Below I'll quote what you wrote on day 1, and let people decide whether I mis-represented it.
Upon reflection, I apologize for implying the words were verbatim.

FWIW it's complete BS to argue the IDF is not responsible for war crimes, just because Hamas struck first on Oct. 7.
And then you make up nonsense like I want Hamas to live, which I've never ever even hinted at. For the record, I stand with the Israel's right to fight this war. I think the way they've done it is horrific and largely indefensible, but packing up and going home isn't any solution either.

Your actual position is laughable garbage all around. Israel does not want to absorb 2M Gazans into its state. Talk about complete delusion LOL.
If you only intended to quote @Leeea, then put his words into a quote block. But seems to me like you're agreeing with his positions, so no difference really.


If I was faced with this terror threat....
I'd level every building for one mile, furthest from the Egyptian border.
Until the hostages are returned, every week (Or day?), one more mile of Gaza is erased and turned into an uninhabited DMZ.
 
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MrSquished

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K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Biden is becoming increasingly critical out in the open of Bibi and the current Israeli government. If they think they have months to keep at Gaza I think they are mistaken. Biden could start slowing down their arms shipments.
 

KMFJD

Lifer
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IDF at work.

held and beaten for 5 days
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Anyone who says "From the river to the sea" is a genocidal racist, no different from Hamas or Likud.

The only way for tolerance to exist is to not tolerate intolerance of tolerance. Contradiction that may be.
So you are more upset about a phrase that could have many different meanings than Israel actively wiping out whole families of Palestinians?

How many Palestinian lives is each Israeli life worth?
 

KMFJD

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Ambush kills 10 IOF soldiers in Gaza


Israeli businesses are starting to feel economic pain with no end in sight


The employers fund the reserve system with huge sums - and are losing patience​

Hundreds of thousands of people of working age have been serving in the reserves for two months, and the end is not in sight ■ Employers are operating with a shortage of personnel, and at the same time are required to pay social conditions to the servants - an issue that the state is having difficulty solving ■ In the meantime, some employers are calling for them to return from the service
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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Story broke yesterday how long Benjamin Netanyahu has been funding Hamas. Some of the latest payments were weeks before the attack. On Oct 7 it took 8 hours for the government to respond. I give Netanyahu 50% of the blame given these actions/non actions.

IMO he wanted this to happen to give him justification to wipe out the Palestinians and forever end the possibility of a 2 state solution.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
 

JTsyo

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MrSquished

Lifer
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Yeah you know what I'm increasingly fine cutting these people (Israel) off until they form a remotely reasonable government.



They have tried to destroy the idea of a two state solution ages ago. They are fucking evil.

Imagine, going through the Holocaust so you can be this fucking terrible to a different peoples.

Fuck right wing Zionists who have been running shit there forever
 

Oric

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Oct 11, 1999
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I wonder what people will say about this:

Actually he was criticizing Erdogan and his party AKP, for talking against Israel and calling for boycotts, while AKP supporting businessmen continue shipment of goods to Israel. When he had the attack, some other MPs shouted back at him, like Erdogan's wrath hit him
 
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KMFJD

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I forgot to add this interview with Josh Paul a former State Department official who just quite because of the way America supports Israel , it's a bit long at 10 minutes but a good interview with Christiane Amanpour

 
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KMFJD

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Benjamin Reese is a 7th-grade social studies teacher at Warner Robins Middle School. He was arrested on Dec. 8.

Several witnesses said they overheard Reese shouting "You motherf*****g piece of s**t! I'll kick your a**. I should cut your motherf*****g head off," around students on Friday.

he was a little unhinged that day
 
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Oyeve

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Benjamin Reese is a 7th-grade social studies teacher at Warner Robins Middle School. He was arrested on Dec. 8.

Several witnesses said they overheard Reese shouting "You motherf*****g piece of s**t! I'll kick your a**. I should cut your motherf*****g head off," around students on Friday.

he was a little unhinged that day
I hope he loses his job at least. What a POS.
 
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KMFJD

Lifer
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her crime apparently was to ask why he had an Israeli flag up in his classroom and commenting that it was offensive "due to Israelis killing Palestinians."
 
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