Israel: We Are At War

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Over 800 Officials in U.S. and Europe Sign Letter Protesting Israel Policies​

Over 800 Officials in U.S. and Europe Sign Letter Protesting Israel Policies

The document was signed by government employees in 12 nations and E.U. institutions. Signers say their leaders’ policies could be contributing to war crimes in Gaza.

www.nytimes.com

More than 800 officials in the United States, the United Kingdom and the European Union released a public letter of dissent on Friday against their governments’ support of Israel in its war in Gaza.

The letter is the first instance of officials in allied nations across the Atlantic coming together to openly criticize their governments over the war, say current and former officials who are organizing or supporting the effort.

The officials say that it is their duty as civil servants to help improve policy and to work in their nations’ interests, and that they are speaking up because they believe their governments need to change direction on the war. The signers say they have raised concerns through internal channels but have been ignored.

“Our governments’ current policies weaken their moral standing and undermine their ability to stand up for freedom, justice and human rights globally,” the letter says, according to a copy obtained Thursday by The New York Times. It adds that “there is a plausible risk that our governments’ policies are contributing to grave violations of international humanitarian law, war crimes and even ethnic cleansing or genocide.”...

 

[KMFJD]

the most moral army in the world everyone

https://twitter.com/x/status/1753066926257938686

 

[KMFJD]

What? You are doubting the credibility of this information?

Well, the IDF themselves claimed they did it. Go look it up. CNN, BBC and all your western media outlets have reported on it.

here you go @Leeea straight from the fascists mouths...(for those of you not tech savvy enough please download something like google tramslate extensions
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The fighters disguise themselves before the raid on the hospital in Jenin: the unusual documentation of the Shin Bet​

~bravely killed 3 injured men including a paraplegic, who were sleeping on hospital beds, who we outnumbered 4 to 1, in a hospital that was not defended, while disguised as doctors, nurses, a mother with a baby, and a man in a wheelchair, in a territory that we maintain control over and could easily have captured them in before they even woke up.

הלוחמים מתחפשים לפני הפשיטה על ביה"ח בג'נין: התיעוד החריג של שב"כ

"את הסוף של הסרט כבר ראיתם", נכתב בעמוד של שב"כ - ובו ההכנות של שניים מהלוחמים שהשתתפו בחיסול שלושת המחבלים בבית החולים בג'נין

www.ynet.co.il

or is Israeli media boasting not good enough? Hard to get 'real' news when both sides filter it so much, western media asks permission from the iof before the publish stories

MSN

 

[KMFJD]

parody of current NYT headlines

I'd post in P&N if it wasn't rue

 

[pmv]

Have to say the first time I encountered the NYT (on a visit to the US - pre-internet) the thing that most struck me was how very differently it covered stories about the PLO compared to the IRA. By what I was used to it was far, far more hostile to the former and more sympathetic to the latter.

Seemed like a double-standard to me, IIRC, though if I'm honest I couldn't entirely say how much it was a double standard on the part of the NYT or if I was just used to the exact opposite bias. It could have been a bit of both. One doesn't notice biases if one is completely immersed in them.

Even now I find myself encountering apologists for Hamas, and even while I disagree with them, it really strikes me how similar their line is to what I've often heard from Americans about the IRA (which leaves me confused as to what exactly I think about either).

 

[mikeymikec]

Have to say the first time I encountered the NYT (on a visit to the US - pre-internet) the thing that most struck me was how very differently it covered stories about the PLO compared to the IRA. By what I was used to it was far, far more hostile to the former and more sympathetic to the latter.

Seemed like a double-standard to me, IIRC, though if I'm honest I couldn't entirely say how much it was a double standard on the part of the NYT or if I was just used to the exact opposite bias. It could have been a bit of both. One doesn't notice biases if one is completely immersed in them.

Even now I find myself encountering apologists for Hamas, and even while I disagree with them, it really strikes me how similar their line is to what I've often heard from Americans about the IRA (which leaves me confused as to what exactly I think about either).

I'm not sure how to relate to your comment, since I'm sure there's at least someone out there who would consider me to be a Hamas apologist.

I personally haven't encountered any Hamas apologists (disclaimer: I'm not claiming they don't exist).

I think it's always a bit dangerous to make a comment about an alleged opinion that's not on display in the forum in which one is commenting. Do people need to read your comment through a series of mirrors to see the truth in it, ie. is your definition of a Hamas apologist reasonable or dubious.

 

[pmv]

I'm not sure how to relate to your comment, since I'm sure there's at least someone out there who would consider me to be a Hamas apologist.

I personally haven't encountered any Hamas apologists (disclaimer: I'm not claiming they don't exist).

I think it's always a bit dangerous to make a comment about an alleged opinion that's not on display in the forum in which one is commenting. Do people need to read your comment through a series of mirrors to see the truth in it, ie. is your definition of a Hamas apologist reasonable or dubious.

Well, I'd have to dredge my memory to recall where I read the comment that I would describe as a apologia for Hamas (and I mean specifically Hamas, not the Palestinians as a people or even the PLO in general). Can't recall where it was, off-hand (not on here). Just remember that it so much reminded me of similar arguments I've read after IRA bombings.

I have to confess I'm a bit of a fence-sitter on the whole issue, it's beyond me to come up with any answers, I have no idea what the solution is (some of my extended family have or had very strong opinions on completely opposing sides).

But what gets me sucked in to make comments (when I really try to stay out of it) is the one-sidedness and bias I repeatedly see from Americans on the topic.

 

[blankslate]

pretty much a perfect summation of the situation in Gaza.


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[Drach]

I heard about this on NPR the other day. Israeli civilians blocking aid trucks from entering Gaza. Can't verify this exact photo but the report is definitely true. Sick and disgusting.

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All fuckin smiles. How about we US Citizens block the 10 million a fucking day that goes to Israel? This is what we pay thesse cock roaches.

 

[Drach]

All aid should be directed to Ukraine . Israel has worn out their welcome in the states except for the degenerate right. Gotta protect jebus right.
Fuck Biden is even voting to continue this bullshit because it's popular . Fuck popular and grow the fuck up.

 

[Drach]

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[Drach]

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[amenx]

CNN is facing a backlash from its own staff over editorial policies they say have led to a regurgitation of Israeli propaganda and the censoring of Palestinians perspectives in the network’s coverage of the war in Gaza...

CNN staff say network’s pro-Israel slant amounts to ‘journalistic malpractice’

Insiders say pressure from the top results in credulous reporting of Israeli claims and silencing of Palestinian perspectives

www.theguardian.com

 

[raildogg]

It is no coincidence that Israel and its Western allies decided to defund UNRWA on the same day that the ICJ ruled that Israel basically needs to reign in its genocidal ways. UNRWA is a refugee relief organization that has basically sustained Palestinians for years. Cutting funding for them will only make this genocide much worse. So Israel is not only bombing them, starving them, denying them water but now they are going after an agency that helps the many Palestinian refugees live.

You have to keep in mind that this conflict has been extremely deadly for journalists and UN employees. Israel has been killing them regularly, and many say deliberately.

But if you ask most US politicians, Israel is America's greatest ally. What the hell is wrong with these people?! Money and power I guess ...

 

[HomerJS]

Question. Is there really a wave here of pro Hamas demonstrations? I haven't seen it. I have seen a lot of people conflating pro Palestinian with pro Hamas. This op-ed is one of the reasons I side with the Palestinians.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/welcome-to-dearborn-americas-jihad-capital-pro-hamas-michigan-counterterrorism-a99dba38

It results in attacks like this.

Detroit religious leaders discuss threats against Muslims after Michigan man arrested

Over the weekend, 41-year-old David Mintz was arrested and charged with the threat of terrorism after stating online that he would hunt down and kill Palestinians.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[raildogg]

There is a very hostile environment in the West for anything pro-Palestine, even at universities. The rich donors of these universities use their influence to guide policy and they want the protest to be shut down because of antisemitism - at least that's what they say. So apparently caring for the lives of Palestinians suffering makes one an antisemite according to them.

Pro-Palestinian demonstrators targeted by apparent stink bomb at Columbia University

Demonstrators at Columbia University say they were attacked with a "chemical-based weapon" during a gathering in support of Palestinians amid the Israel-Hamas war.

abcnews.go.com

Here is a demonstrated chemical attack on pro-Palestinian protestors using something called Skunk, an Israeli weapon used for crowd control. So basically, the Israeli military or people close to them are harassing pro-Palestinian protestors and there is no outcry. Imagine if this was the other way around - things would be turned upside down to stop that.

 

[RnR_au]

An interest short thread;

Thread by @kamilkazani on Thread Reader App

@kamilkazani: By the late 20th c. Israel won. It vanquished and conquered. Emotions aside, this is exactly what happened. As the victor, Israel could choose between two workable options for what to do with its victo...…

threadreaderapp.com

Ofcause it kinda takes two to tango. Israel could argue that the Palestinians have said no to a two state solution 3 times, so its out of their hands, but I feel that is disingenuous. They are by far the dominant power, and they could just have applied a two state solution and left the Palestinians to their own devices.

There was also an interesting idea in a reply. A 3 state solution. West Bank, Israel and Gaza. Ofcause Hamas would never agree, or any of the other dozen(?) organisations that wants to destroy the state of Israel.

 

[raildogg]

An interest short thread;

Thread by @kamilkazani on Thread Reader App

@kamilkazani: By the late 20th c. Israel won. It vanquished and conquered. Emotions aside, this is exactly what happened. As the victor, Israel could choose between two workable options for what to do with its victo...…

threadreaderapp.com

Ofcause it kinda takes two to tango. Israel could argue that the Palestinians have said no to a two state solution 3 times, so its out of their hands, but I feel that is disingenuous. They are by far the dominant power, and they could just have applied a two state solution and left the Palestinians to their own devices.

There was also an interesting idea in a reply. A 3 state solution. West Bank, Israel and Gaza. Ofcause Hamas would never agree, or any of the other dozen(?) organisations that wants to destroy the state of Israel.

Religious nuts and far right people run Israel and they have stated many times they don't want a two state solution. The Israeli ambassador to the UK has basically stated that, along with Ben Gvir, Smotrich, Netanyahu and many others. They view Palestinians are savages, subhumans and treat them accordingly. The treatment the Palestinians have been getting is worse than that of animals and now Israel is literally eradicating them.

The two state talking points are simply a fantasy. Israel is not interested in that.

 

[blankslate]

If you don't approve of snuff films you're an antisemite!!!

Here is the link to the original article sourced in the above video. Unfortunately, it is behind a paywall.

Graphic videos and incitement: How the IDF is misleading Israelis on Telegram

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www.haaretz.com

at 3 mins. and 37 secs. into the video

But here we have the propaganda unit of the IDF, itself running a snuff aggregation channel.
It makes several things really quite clear.
First, far from being ashamed of their war crimes the IDF and the Israeli Government want Jewish Israelis to know just how brutal they are actually being. How complete the destruction and annihilation and suffering.
After all remember the polls found only 1.8% of Israeli Jews thought that the IDF was using too much firepower, nearly 60% thought that they were not using enough.

but sure I'll condemn Hamas... if you acknowledge that Israel's IDF have gone beyond the pale.


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[raildogg]

If you don't approve of snuff films you're an antisemite!!!

Here is the link to the original article sourced in the above video. Unfortunately, it is behind a paywall.

Graphic videos and incitement: How the IDF is misleading Israelis on Telegram

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www.haaretz.com

at 3 mins. and 37 secs. into the video


but sure I'll condemn Hamas... if you acknowledge that Israel's IDF have gone beyond the pale.


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There is a media blackout in Israel of the atrocities Israel is committing in Gaza. Many people there have no idea that Israel has basically flatted most of Gaza and made the place uninhabitable in order to displace the population. That is literally ethnic cleansing.

By the way, there is no follow up of the mass rapes, baby killings and all sorts of atrocities the Western and Israeli media accused Hamas of carrying out. Could it be that it was not true?!

But now its too late because those claims were used by Israel to commit atrocities on the civilians. Thanks Western and Israeli media, you are complicit in this.

 

[FlameTail]

Israel-Gaza war: Unknown fate of six-year-old Hind Rajab trapped under fire

Six-year-old Hind was last heard from trapped in a car surrounded by bodies - then the line went dead.

www.bbc.com

This girl's tragic story has gone viral in social media.

When will the IDF take accountability?

 

[Amol S.]

To be honest, I think I know what Biden is doing. Let's face the fact of what would be the worst case scenario if NATO countries were to stop supporting Israel. Iran, Syria, and Yemen all want to invade Israel. This is something no one can deny. The last thing the US would want is for Iran to get its hands on Israel. To be honest, the responsibility falls on those who made the decision back in the 70's to not support the Shah when people in Iran were resenting.

I had actually asked Chat GPT via Bing Chat as to how different would the world be if the Shah had still remained in power, and apparently the response was along the lines of there being little to no extremism in the middle east. Also keep in mind that the Shah of Iran supported the creation of Israel. A lot of bad stuff in history and the wars that are happening in the world today, would not have occurred if the US kept the Shah in power. It probably is obvious that no one had foresight that things would have become this bad.

 

[KMFJD]

The Shah should never have been placed in charge though, once again foreign meddling by UK/USA

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A lot of the shit in the middle east is directly because of cold war meddling by both the US/USSR and Israel's stealing of Palestinian land and the resulting backlash

/not to mention controlling the worlds most valuable commodity (oil)

 

[MrSquished]

To be honest, I think I know what Biden is doing. Let's face the fact of what would be the worst case scenario if NATO countries were to stop supporting Israel. Iran, Syria, and Yemen all want to invade Israel. This is something no one can deny. The last thing the US would want is for Iran to get its hands on Israel. To be honest, the responsibility falls on those who made the decision back in the 70's to not support the Shah when people in Iran were resenting.

I had actually asked Chat GPT via Bing Chat as to how different would the world be if the Shah had still remained in power, and apparently the response was along the lines of there being little to no extremism in the middle east. Also keep in mind that the Shah of Iran supported the creation of Israel. A lot of bad stuff in history and the wars that are happening in the world today, would not have occurred if the US kept the Shah in power. It probably is obvious that no one had foresight that things would have become this bad.

The Shah helped start the blowback that led to the Ayatolla taking over and turning Iran into an extremist country. He was a fucking tyrant and was installed as a western friendly dictator to keep western oil interests from ever really profiting the Iranian people, and on top of that, came into power via coup, overhthrowing a democratically elected progressive leader in Mossadegh. The radical Islamists only came into power in Iran as a blowback against the horrific tyrant the Shah, our lil western friendly authoritarian shithead evil puppet.

I'm glad you can use Chat GPT AND Bing Chat to spread ignorance to the world. Congrats. Fuckin' AI>

 

[KMFJD]

I really do not like KSA however even a blind squirrel can find a nut once in a while