Israel: We Are At War

[KMFJD]

Israel appears to be in breach of ICJ orders on Gaza, senior UN official says

Special rapporteur cites lack of medical supplies, food and clean water, and continued demolition of infrastructure

www.theguardian.com

‘The destruction is massive … It’s a disaster area’: Israeli soldiers speak about fighting in Gaza

Exclusive: IDF troops shed light on their experience of fighting in the territory, where Palestinian casualties have passed 27,700

www.theguardian.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1756440766514176158

more israeli warcrimes

CNN laundering their warcrimes as well to the American public

CNN staff say network’s pro-Israel slant amounts to ‘journalistic malpractice’

Insiders say pressure from the top results in credulous reporting of Israeli claims and silencing of Palestinian perspectives

www.theguardian.com

Journalists in CNN newsrooms in the US and overseas say broadcasts have been skewed by management edicts and a story-approval process that has resulted in highly partial coverage of the Hamas massacre on 7 October and Israel’s retaliatory attack on Gaza.

They include tight restrictions on quoting Hamas and reporting other Palestinian perspectives while Israel government statements are taken at face value. In addition, every story on the conflict must be cleared by the Jerusalem bureau before broadcast or publication.

“Many have been pushing for more content from Gaza to be alerted and aired. By the time these reports go through Jerusalem and make it to TV or the homepage, critical changes – from the introduction of imprecise language to an ignorance of crucial stories – ensure that nearly every report, no matter how damning, relieves Israel of wrongdoing.”

In late October, as the Palestinian death toll rose sharply from Israeli bombing with more than 2,700 children killed according to the Gaza health ministry, and as Israel prepared for its ground invasion, a set of guidelines landed in CNN staff inboxes.

A note at the top of the two-page memo pointed to an instruction “from Mark” to pay attention to a particular paragraph under “coverage guidance”. The paragraph said that, while CNN would report the human consequences of the Israeli assault and the historical context of the story, “we must continue always to remind our audiences of the immediate cause of this current conflict, namely the Hamas attack and mass murder and kidnap of civilians”. (Italics in the original.)

CNN staff members said the memo solidified a framework for stories in which the Hamas massacre was used to implicitly justify Israeli actions, and that other context or history was often unwelcome or marginalised.

 

[linkgoron]

Pretty insane images of a Hamas data center sitting directly under the UNWRA HQ in Gaza (about 65 feet under the HQ).

While it appears that no entrance exists from the UNWRA HQ to the server farm itself, it looks like power and networking were passed from the HQ down into the server farm.

Directly beneath UNRWA’s Gaza headquarters, IDF uncovers top secret Hamas data center

Subterranean facility for terror group's intelligence needs, beneath UN complex in upscale Rimal neighborhood, discovered after interrogations of Palestinian prisoners

www.timesofisrael.com

Some images from the above article of the farm and electric infrastructure (this is underground):


Cables running from the UNRWA HQ down to the farm itself (this is above ground):

 

[amenx]

Pretty insane images of a Hamas data center sitting directly under the UNWRA HQ in Gaza (about 65 feet under the HQ).

Whats insane is anyone taking the Israeli military's word at face value.

 

[linkgoron]

Whats insane is anyone taking the Israeli military's word at face value.

Obviously Hamas are the only 100% unbiased source.

I've decided months ago that I'm not going to entertain all of the Hamas and terrorist sympathizers here, it's unending and not worth my time. I can't fight shifting goal posts nor can I debate with people that, when presented with evidence, claim that something is a lie. If there is no bar that I could pass that they would state "yes, I believe the information" - I just won't waste my time.

I provided the images and the article source - you can believe whatever you want.

 

[amenx]

Obviously Hamas are the only 100% unbiased source.

I've decided months ago that I'm not going to entertain all of the Hamas and terrorist sympathizers here, it's unending and not worth my time. I can't fight shifting goal posts nor can I debate with people that, when presented with evidence, claim that something is a lie. If there is no bar that I could pass that they would state "yes, I believe the information" - I just won't waste my time.

I provided the images and the article source - you can believe whatever you want.

Yes of course anyone who opposes the mass slaughter of helpless innocents is a Hamas sympathizer. Bet you're still seething at Hamas after they beheaded those 40 babies.

Yes, you provided the images and the source: the Israeli military, who have no interest in presenting this information to news outlets just when Israel is finding strong resistance from the U.S, Egypt and others against their probable soon-to-be assault on Rafah and the expected high death toll its likely to bring. Perfect timing for this story.

 

[linkgoron]

Yes of course anyone who opposes the mass slaughter of helpless innocents is a Hamas sympathizer. Bet you're still seething at Hamas after they beheaded those 40 babies.

That claim never came from IDF, and from memory at least, any official Israeli source and indeed IDF even stated (at the time) that they do not have such information:

Israeli army says it does not have 'confirmation' about allegations that ‘Hamas beheaded babies’

Israeli army spokesperson tells Anadolu over phone that they have no information confirming allegations that ‘Hamas beheaded babies’ - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

I might be seething from the 1200 people they killed, the vast majority of them innocent civilians, including hundreds of people in a party.

Yes, you provided the images and the source: the Israeli military, who have no interest in presenting this information to news outlets just when Israel is finding strong resistance from the U.S, Egypt and others against their probable soon-to-be assault on Rafah and the expected high death toll its likely to bring. Perfect timing for this story.

So basically - no matter what, they can never present any information. If this was a week ago, you'd say that it's perfect timing for something else. It doesn't matter.

I agree that Rafah is a tricky matter, and it's a good question on what can be done there. There are still 4 Hamas battalions there, probably a few heads of Hamas, and indeed there are also all of the of the civilians evacuated from all the other parts of Gaza. Obviously, Egypt doesn't want anyone going into their territory as well. It's quite an issue. I guess that maybe Hamas can just release the ~135 civilian hostages that they took.

 

[FlameTail]

Interesting Hypothetical Question:

Let's say Hamas immediately releases all the hostages tommorow. What happens then? Will Israel stop the war?

 

[mikeymikec]

That claim never came from IDF, and from memory at least

It's without a doubt Israeli state propaganda; there was even a press conference later showing just how "much" (ie. little) they had to back up this story. Leeea posted about it a while ago on this thread.

If this had only been one Israeli journalist making up stuff, there never would have been a press conference later about it.

Obviously Hamas are the only 100% unbiased source.

Try not to engage in bothsides, it's such an obvious deflection tactic. Israel is obviously putting out bullshit propaganda, so it's only reasonable to question the veracity of their claims.

Even the Israeli apologists in this thread won't touch the "Mein Kampf" propaganda, it is that bad, and that came straight from the Israeli PM. If a government broadcasts such blatant bullshit, it's only logical to regard anything else they claim as having very little factual value.

 

[brycejones]

I've decided months ago that I'm not going to entertain all of the Hamas and terrorist sympathizers here,

Fuck that is a stupid sentence.

 

[mikeymikec]

Interesting Hypothetical Question:

Let's say Hamas immediately releases all the hostages tommorow. What happens then? Will Israel stop the war?

It would be a more interesting hypothetical to ask if Hamas unconditionally surrendered tomorrow, would Israel stop the war.

IMO, no.

 

[K1052]

It would be a more interesting hypothetical to ask if Hamas unconditionally surrendered tomorrow, would Israel stop the war.

IMO, no.

Neither side is interested in stopping. No matter how much the US or Euros demand they do.

The best we can do is limit the tools and we should.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Israel appears to be in breach of ICJ orders on Gaza, senior UN official says

Special rapporteur cites lack of medical supplies, food and clean water, and continued demolition of infrastructure

www.theguardian.com

‘The destruction is massive … It’s a disaster area’: Israeli soldiers speak about fighting in Gaza

Exclusive: IDF troops shed light on their experience of fighting in the territory, where Palestinian casualties have passed 27,700

www.theguardian.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1756440766514176158

more israeli warcrimes

CNN laundering their warcrimes as well to the American public

CNN staff say network’s pro-Israel slant amounts to ‘journalistic malpractice’

Insiders say pressure from the top results in credulous reporting of Israeli claims and silencing of Palestinian perspectives

www.theguardian.com

Journalists in CNN newsrooms in the US and overseas say broadcasts have been skewed by management edicts and a story-approval process that has resulted in highly partial coverage of the Hamas massacre on 7 October and Israel’s retaliatory attack on Gaza.

They include tight restrictions on quoting Hamas and reporting other Palestinian perspectives while Israel government statements are taken at face value. In addition, every story on the conflict must be cleared by the Jerusalem bureau before broadcast or publication.

“Many have been pushing for more content from Gaza to be alerted and aired. By the time these reports go through Jerusalem and make it to TV or the homepage, critical changes – from the introduction of imprecise language to an ignorance of crucial stories – ensure that nearly every report, no matter how damning, relieves Israel of wrongdoing.”

In late October, as the Palestinian death toll rose sharply from Israeli bombing with more than 2,700 children killed according to the Gaza health ministry, and as Israel prepared for its ground invasion, a set of guidelines landed in CNN staff inboxes.

A note at the top of the two-page memo pointed to an instruction “from Mark” to pay attention to a particular paragraph under “coverage guidance”. The paragraph said that, while CNN would report the human consequences of the Israeli assault and the historical context of the story, “we must continue always to remind our audiences of the immediate cause of this current conflict, namely the Hamas attack and mass murder and kidnap of civilians”. (Italics in the original.)

CNN staff members said the memo solidified a framework for stories in which the Hamas massacre was used to implicitly justify Israeli actions, and that other context or history was often unwelcome or marginalised.

-News is a business that pursues profit, and the result is FUD has replaced journalistic integrity to sell.more.content.

Both Sides (TM) content gets more play while coming with the added benefit of the veneer of impartiality, which many confuse for integrity.

 

[linkgoron]

Interesting Hypothetical Question:

Let's say Hamas immediately releases all the hostages tommorow. What happens then? Will Israel stop the war?

While the extreme right wing would probably be against it, I think that yes - that's what would happen. They'd lose a lot of the justification for the war internally. The National Unity party would probably leave the so-called emergency government as they've stated that freeing the hostages is their main goal (I don't know the "New Hope" faction will do though) and while the international and US pressure would also help, Netanyahu has every intention of milking the war for as long as he possibly can, and there has to be extreme internal pressure for the war to end.

Currently, without Yahya Sinwar or Mohammed Deif dead and Hamas holding 100+ hostages, there's just no way any Israeli government would end the war - no matter how much destruction has been done to Gaza (and there's no denying the amount of damage done there).

 

[K1052]

One of the clearer on record warnings issued from the WH so far. A major attack on Rafah would likely be disastrous in multiple ways. Even into war with Egypt possibly if they try to push the Palestinians over the border which I think may be the intent.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1756741463164047851

 

[mikeymikec]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1756741463164047851

"Or else we'll have to write you a sternly-worded letter... while we continue to profit from the arms sales that fuel your genocide"

 

[K1052]

"Or else we'll have to write you a sternly-worded letter... while we continue to profit from the arms sales that fuel your genocide"

They need to shut off the heavy arms to see a real policy change from Bibi. I think I've been consistent in that.

 

[raildogg]

The media has weaponized sexual violence so that Israeli can commit genocide. The mass rape story, along with many other sensationalist claims by the Western media has played a part in this genocide. The NY Times along with Hillary Clinton and other Western elites are using that mass rape story to justify the genocide. This is absolutely disgusting because those claims have been debunked. There is no actual evidence of Hamas committing mass rapes or beheading 40 babies or any of these absolute crazy claims. But in order to justify a genocide, you have to make these claims.

The so-called NY Times journalist Jefferey Gettleman provided no substance or proof for any of the claims he made and yet the Western elites used that to justify Israel's genocide. No accountability at all.

So it is fair to say that the Western media, along with Western politicians are directly involved in Israel's genocide.

 

[raildogg]

"Or else we'll have to write you a sternly-worded letter... while we continue to profit from the arms sales that fuel your genocide"

Exactly, the Israelis have Biden and the entire US government by their balls (if they had any). Netanyahu openly defies the US and his cabinet simply laughs at the US ... all the while the US is sending billions in endless aid to Israel.

 

[raildogg]

The Israelis who run the government want to take over Gaza and remove the population. They simply used the Oct 7 attack as an excuse to carry out what they wanted to do. This is just one of many examples that the Israelis wanted to remove Palestinians from Gaza:

 

[KMFJD]

The Israelis who run the government want to take over Gaza and remove the population. They simply used the Oct 7 attack as an excuse to carry out what they wanted to do. This is just one of many examples that the Israelis wanted to remove Palestinians from Gaza:

if the US government were actually moral they would detonate a cruise missile up his ass

 

[mikeymikec]

They need to shut off the heavy arms to see a real policy change from Bibi. I think I've been consistent in that.

I'm not criticising your perspective btw, I just threw in my $0.02.

I think the US.gov's perspective is that they want to show a paper trail that suggests that they oppose mass civilian casualties while continuing to profit from arms sales. The "mass civilian casualties" point is a potential vote-loser if handled incorrectly.

The problem with countries being run by two conservative parties (such as US/UK) is that it leaves the door open for an outright malignant candidate that disillusioned voters will vote for to "express their frustration". Biden's Israel policy stinks of the conservative 4 stage plan.

 

[mikeymikec]

It gets mentioned often in this thread, but I'm curious about something: Are there any known examples of blatant Hamas propaganda (ie. fake news)?

(PS: I'm not saying there aren't, just that I haven't heard them)

 

[linkgoron]

While the extreme right wing would probably be against it, I think that yes - that's what would happen. They'd lose a lot of the justification for the war internally. The National Unity party would probably leave the so-called emergency government as they've stated that freeing the hostages is their main goal (I don't know the "New Hope" faction will do though) and while the international and US pressure would also help, Netanyahu has every intention of milking the war for as long as he possibly can, and there has to be extreme internal pressure for the war to end.

Currently, without Yahya Sinwar or Mohammed Deif dead and Hamas holding 100+ hostages, there's just no way any Israeli government would end the war - no matter how much destruction has been done to Gaza (and there's no denying the amount of damage done there).

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/12/middleeast/israel-hostages-rescued-gaza-rafah-intl-hnk/index.html

Just a day after I posted about hostages, two hostages have been freed in a military operation in Rafah. From other sources that I've read, the hostages have stated that they were kept in some family home since they were taken.

 

[KMFJD]

imagine the tears if tel aviv where hit like rafah is being hit today...the international outcry would deafen our airwaves

‘Unjustified’: Calls to prevent Rafah offensive grow after night of bombing

Countries and international groups warn against large-scale Israeli attack on city crowded with displaced Palestinians.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[AtenRa]

Interesting Hypothetical Question:

Let's say Hamas immediately releases all the hostages tommorow. What happens then? Will Israel stop the war?

Why nobody asks when HAMAS will put the Palestinians interests as a first and only priority and stop the 70 years old hatred so that both Palestinians and Israelis can live peacefully ??