Israel: We Are At War

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AtenRa

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just as I have said, Palestinians will pay a heavy price for letting Hamas hiding in Gaza strip.
Israel will target Hamas that are hiding in civilians structures and then people will say that Israel kills civilians and round we go and more terrorist attacks will follow ........

 
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amenx

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Its been decided. I don't think they are going to get the time to flee though. I wish they would, but it doesn't feel like it is going to happen that way.
More than two million Palestinians live in the Gaza Strip, which is under complete blockade by both Israel and Egypt. Gaza’s land borders, as well as airspace and maritime borders, are all under the control of the Israeli military, meaning that it is virtually impossible for Gazans to leave the territory unless Israel or Egypt open up their borders, which at the time of publication remained closed.

So much for N'yahoos warning for them to leave.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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My comments about 9/11 were because the Israeli government call the attack by Hamas their 9/11. So, you know, it was kind of fucking relevant. And then there are your comments....
Of course they want to play victim. Steal a nation from a people and you're going to get war.
 
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Ajay

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Its been decided. I don't think they are going to get the time to flee though. I wish they would, but it doesn't feel like it is going to happen that way.

“To all civilians in Gaza, I say, get out of there,” Netanyahu said in a speech late Saturday.

Where are they going to go? Hopefully, Egypt will allow the UN and aid organizations permission to set up a camp. Which will be a bit less horrible, since Egypt doesn't want the Palestinians either. This is going to be a mess. I'm sure the carrier group is heading to the eastern med, not just as a sign of support, but to be there incase the conflict widens.
 
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Dave_5k

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Where are they going to go? Hopefully, Egypt will allow the UN and aid organization permission to set up a camp. Which will be a bit less horrible, since Egypt doesn't want the Palestinians either. This is going to be a mess. I'm sure the carrier group is heading to the eastern med, not just as a sign of support, but to be there incase the conflict widens.
Yeah, the carrier is useless against Hamas, but is a pointed threat to Egypt/Syria
 

Ajay

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Of course they want to play victim. Steal a nation from a people and you're going to get a civil war.
No argument here that Israel have committed outright crimes against humanity WRT the Arab community in Israel - and for decades. But Hamas really blew it. Attacking when the Reich Chancellor Netanyahu is in power (like @GodisanAtheist said, irony is now dead).
 

Jaskalas

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Humans are all the same yes but, there are those who are raised with principles , taught to respect human life, taught of human history and learned from the mistakes of the past. And then there are those who are raised with only one purpose in life, to hate and have a life only for a single cause, to destroy the enemy no matter if it is a soldier or civilian or a child. Fanatism is what destroys the Palestinians in Gaza not the 100.000 years old caveman's.
Most nations today only play lip service to those principles, so that we lower our guard and make trade with them.
We pay them to play nice.
But in truth, those who support Ukraine against Genocide are not a terribly large number. Especially outside western civilization.

Most, like India, would rather profit from Genocide, than lift any finger to oppose it.
Humans are fanatical in nature. We, TODAY, are still cavemen. You only have to open your eyes and look at our actions.
Nuclear weapons and MAD slowed humans down for a time, but as Russia has proven, our lust for blood overwhelms any sense of reason. Thus war has returned and the world is aflame. This madness is only getting started, because that is who we are. These vile acts are what we do.

Your denial invites weakness into our institutions. A lack of sense, a lack of knowing who we are, and what we need to guard against.
 

linkgoron

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Yeah, the carrier is useless against Hamas, but is a pointed threat to Egypt/Syria
Threat to Egypt? Egypt and Israel have a long standing peace agreement, and they won't attack Israel.
It's there as a deterrent for Hezbollah (which is essentially a proxy of Iran). They have a lot of fire-power and are much stronger than Hamas.
 
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More than two million Palestinians live in the Gaza Strip, which is under complete blockade by both Israel and Egypt. Gaza’s land borders, as well as airspace and maritime borders, are all under the control of the Israeli military, meaning that it is virtually impossible for Gazans to leave the territory unless Israel or Egypt open up their borders, which at the time of publication remained closed.
So, how did they get all the boomboom stuff?
 
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IronWing

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Its been decided. I don't think they are going to get the time to flee though. I wish they would, but it doesn't feel like it is going to happen that way.



The USA is backing Israel's move on Gaza to the hilt.





Dead American's, American's held hostage, Biden's is not going to have a lot of options here.
Netanyahu knows damn well the civilians of Gaza have no possible escape. His own soldiers will see to that. His "flee" message is for international consumption. When Israeli soldiers, at Netanyahu's command, slaughter civilians Netanyahu will claim, "I told them to leave."
 

SteveGrabowski

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No argument here that Israel have committed outright crimes against humanity WRT the Arab community in Israel - and for decades. But Hamas really blew it. Attacking when the Reich Chancellor Netanyahu is in power (like @GodisanAtheist said, irony is now dead).
It's just an intractable problem now short of genocide of either Gaza Palestinians or Israelis. I can 100% understand why Gaza elected Hamas; you subjugate people and they'll turn to psychopathic strongmen to take a pound of your flesh. My biggest complaint is people acting like Hamas is uniquely psychotic when slaughtering civilians is the norm in war. I saw the horrible video of the naked girl in the truck who was surely raped many times before being murdered, but it reminded my of my grandfather who confessed to gang-raping a ~13 year-old in Korea during the war with two other US Army soldiers and then he put a bullet in her forehead to shut her up.
 
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woolfe9998

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This is going to get ugly. Israel is going to re-occupy Gaza for awhile, and will very likely be air striking Iran within days. It's quite possible the US will end up getting involved as well. And it could widen much farther than that.
 
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Thunder 57

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This is going to get ugly. Israel is going to re-occupy Gaza for awhile, and will very likely be air striking Iran within days. It's quite possible the US will end up getting involved as well. And it could widen much farther than that.

I doubt many outside of the military industrial complex want anything to do with it. Sould 100% not get involved. But there a lot of Israel ass kissers in government.
 

woolfe9998

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It's just an intractable problem now short of genocide of either Gaza Palestinians or Israelis. I can 100% understand why Gaza elected Hamas; you subjugate people and they'll turn to psychopathic strongmen to take a pound of your flesh. My biggest complaint is people acting like Hamas is uniquely psychotic when slaughtering civilians is the norm in war. I saw the horrible video of the naked girl in the truck who was surely raped many times before being murdered, but it reminded my of my grandfather who confessed to gang-raping a ~13 year-old in Korea during the war with two other US Army soldiers and then he put a bullet in her forehead to shut her up.

Yeah I totally get turning to psychopathic murderers to address their grievances. Totally got it when the PLO murdered those Israeli athletes at Munich, too. And all the rest of their anti-semitic fueled violence these past 100 years. Because these right wing religious fanatics, which describes the vast majority of Palestinians, never seem to have any choice but to turn to terrorism. Funny how they always seem to have no choice in the matter. It's always the evil Jews who made them do it.
 

woolfe9998

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I doubt many outside of the military industrial complex want anything to do with it. Sould 100% not get involved. But there a lot of Israel ass kissers in government.

I think we may get involved because Iran will be drawn in first. Israel will conduct a massive bombing campaign against Iran. Then at some point Iran will end up doing something to draw the US in, like attacking our ships in the gulf under the assumption that they are there helping Israel. Then we start bombing Iran, and it progresses from there.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Yeah I totally get turning to psychopathic murderers to address their grievances. Totally got it when the PLO murdered those Israeli athletes at Munich, too. And all the rest of their anti-semitic fueled violence these past 100 years. Because these right wing religious fanatics, which describes the vast majority of Palestinians, never seem to have any choice but to turn to terrorism. Funny how they always seem to have no choice in the matter. It's always the evil Jews who made them do it.
ROFL acting like Israel hasn't seeded a lot of this hatred for the last 100+ years in Palestine
 
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APU_Fusion

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If you want to up the ante for US involvement, Iraqi militias vow to attack US bases / troops.
It may be time to GTFO of Syria and Iraq, completely. Unless we REALLY want to go in guns blazing.
We need to make sure there are ZERO US troops in the region for Iran / Iraq to target.

I hope we learned our lesson. If we do attack because they attack us there better be no nation building or other crap. I am sick of the Middle East. let the bombed out militias deal with the consequences.

hamas needs to be destroyed. They slaughtered innocent woman and children. Their blood will flow in the streets. Israel and Netanyahu are ass clowns but this is existential survival to them now. I weep for the innocents who died and will die on all sides. I wont weep if every Hamas dies after this atrocity
 
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