So to be clear you think the best hope for peace is lands under illegal occupation to be returned to their owner?
So to be clear you think the best hope for peace is lands under illegal occupation to be returned to their owner?Osirus, you don't deserve any response. Come back when you learn to have a discussion. Until then, no more.
fskinospy, Palestinians have been removed from their ancestral lands, through deception and lies, with the help of the British. They've been under occupation for almost a century now. They are living in the worst conditions. They will fight back. If they were going to surrender, they would have many years ago because Western support goes in one direction - more weapons to Israel so they can murder more Palestinians.
You want to limit the suffering? Give them their lands, give them a country that can defend itself and allow the millions of refugees living in exile to come back. Israel and America will not agree to this. They want a weak, small and defenseless Palestinian state. And now Israelis don't want any Palestinian state.
What do you say to that?
HURR WHUTABOUTOsirus, you don't deserve any response. Come back when you learn to have a discussion. Until then, no more.
With friends like America, Germany needs no enemies. America has destroyed Germany's industrial capacity basically by denying it cheap Russian energy:
How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline
The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until nowseymourhersh.substack.com
I bet someone here will accuse Mr. Hersh of being a Russian spy or agent.
Typical Western talking points. Did you learn that from War Pig Hillary Clinton?
We are just asking you what’s the best path to peace. As I assume you are someone of consistent principles this should be easy to answer.Great job in bringing Ukraine to a thread about genocide in Gaza. You Ukraine fanatics don't care about no one else's suffering but want to make everything about Ukraine. There is a world outside of Ukraine.
Come back to the Ukraine thread, you might get educated there. Have some respect for this thread.
I’m not asking you to compare anything.Consistency rarely works in geopolitics because things are too complicated, given human history, change of borders, religions, ethnic relations, on and on and on. One rule cannot apply to all in this area. One can be consistent in having compassion though. One can be consistent in always advocating for negotiations and peace treaties.
But like I keep repeating, let's please not compare Ukraine war, which really started in 2005 or even 2014, to the genocide of Palestinians, which may have started as early as 1917 but many will say 1948. We have two threads, so can we keep them separate?
So you think peace is not worth giving up freedom and I assume you find that virtue to be universal?It's not up to me to determine that. Palestinians are fighting hard and will fight hard. As for what they should surrender, again, they need to discuss that with the other side. My opinion doesn't matter at all. As of right now, neither side really wants to talk and I don't blame the Palestinians for not wanting to. Peace at the expense of giving up freedom is not worth it and maybe that's why there cannot be much peace in this region. Having a state without a military? Don't think that sounds appropriate. But again, Palestinians need to determine that.
Right now, we are far from these discussions. The genocide is happening and the Americans are providing the means to do it.
Are you really this oblivious?Living in bondage still has not resulted in any peace for the Palestinians. They have lost on both of these things - no peace and no security.
I don't know how to answer your question. Let's stay in the real world at this time and look at it.
Isn't that what most struggles have been in the past? People fighting occupiers? And the "peace" if there was any, was only an illusion because the occupier held all power over you. The occupier could make things very unpeaceful at any time. So once again, peace and liberation kind of go together. The collaborators and traitors among the occupied peoples often had what we deem to be peaceful lives but it was also an illusion. They were useful tools of the occupiers. Peace and freedom kind of go together, based on history and what is happening today.
I just want to know if you think if people being illegally invaded should surrender in order to secure peace.I sometimes get tricked into these questions. I am sure you have more to say other than some vague response? Once again, I know you are trying to make a point because Ukraine. Everything is Ukraine to you guys. Must be some European obsession thing.
No. They should not surrender. Peace and freedom go side by side.I just want to know if you think if people being illegally invaded should surrender in order to secure peace.
In some cases you seem to think peace is not worth freedom. In other cases you think the opposite. I would be interested to know how you made that distinction.
Great job in bringing Ukraine to a thread about genocide in Gaza. You Ukraine fanatics don't care about no one else's suffering but want to make everything about Ukraine. There is a world outside of Ukraine.
Come back to the Ukraine thread, you might get educated there. Have some respect for this thread.
Great - so we agree the victims of illegal invasions should not surrender?No. They should not surrender. Peace and freedom go side by side.
And comparing two different wars on two different continents being fought by two different people should not be compared side by side and the same talking points should not be used for them.
One side is facing complete extermination and you know for a fact the Ukrainians are not even remotely in the same situation.
That's the problem with Ukraine supporters, they can only think in black or white terms. You are with Russia or against Russia. It's not that simple, sorry.The world is all related and so are these types of events. I'm not sure how anyone could be on the side of Russia the oppressor while understanding Israel is the oppressor as well.
Sounds like you are talking about Ukraine, like usual. Well, since you want to drag Ukraine into this thread, I will say that Ukraine's government could have negotiated better with the Russians. I am trying to be gentle here so that's all I'll say. I could say that Ukraine messed up big time by aligning with the West and trying to join NATO, but I will reserve that for another thread. Countries have red lines, for example. We may not respect these red lines but according to them, in their own minds, they are very important. It's up to you whether you agree or not, doesn't really matter.Great - so we agree the victims of illegal invasions should not surrender?
Sounds like you have some thinking to do.
I’m not talking about anywhere in particular. I’m asking for you to have consistent principles.Sounds like you are talking about Ukraine, like usual. Well, since you want to drag Ukraine into this thread, I will say that Ukraine's government could have negotiated better with the Russians. I am trying to be gentle here so that's all I'll say. I could say that Ukraine messed up big time by aligning with the West and trying to join NATO, but I will reserve that for another thread. Countries have red lines, for example. We may not respect these red lines but according to them, in their own minds, they are very important. It's up to you whether you agree or not, doesn't really matter.
Well, why don't I post what I post and then you can decide whether it meets your test for consistency.I’m not talking about anywhere in particular. I’m asking for you to have consistent principles.
Can you apply your principles consistently?
By the way you can just say you don’t have consistent principles.
I think you don’t have consistency, which is my point.Well, why don't I post what I post and then you can decide whether it meets your test for consistency.
Denying food, water and electricity is a typical Israeli thing to do.continuing on theme of warcrimes....