Israel: We Are At War

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raildogg

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Enough with the "gotcha" questions. Ok, I am not consistent because I view world events in their own situations and don't apply a "consistent" view to them.
 

raildogg

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Nuance:
"a subtle difference in or shade of meaning, expression, or sound"

Some people have it and some don't it seems. If that makes me less consistent, oh well then. I don't look at geopolitics, history, world events through black and white terms. I make distinctions and know that what happened in one place cannot automatically be applied in another place. But hey, you guys do your own thing. No problem.

I am sorry this thread is being thrown off course. If I did anything wrong, I will leave for the time being. Like I said, I tried to stick with Gaza but I let myself get dragged into pointless conversations that went nowhere.

I wish there is a ceasefire, I wish Palestinians would find some peace somewhere, I wish America would stop Israel from committing genocide. But I also wish people would get more involved and learn about these things and their history. Don't rely on Western media that lies to you 24/7. This conflict did not start on Oct 7, it started way back during the initial formation of Israel.
 
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MrSquished

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That's the problem with Ukraine supporters, they can only think in black or white terms. You are with Russia or against Russia. It's not that simple, sorry.

The world is related but that doesn't mean that each conflict is not very different from another. It's quite strange to see people trying to equate Palestine conflict with Ukraine conflict. There are some similarities of course.
I'm being quite specific. This is about Ukraine for the Russians and the Palestinians for the Israelis.
 

mikeymikec

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Sounds like you are talking about Ukraine, like usual. Well, since you want to drag Ukraine into this thread, I will say that Ukraine's government could have negotiated better with the Russians. I am trying to be gentle here so that's all I'll say. I could say that Ukraine messed up big time by aligning with the West and trying to join NATO, but I will reserve that for another thread. Countries have red lines, for example. We may not respect these red lines but according to them, in their own minds, they are very important. It's up to you whether you agree or not, doesn't really matter.

That doesn't make an awful lot of sense, and Ukraine's reasoning became entirely obvious by Russia's subsequent acts.

Ukraine: I consider Russia to be a potential threat so I'm going to join an organisation that will help defend me against it.
<Russia does its best unhinged comic-book fascist wannabe impression and invades Ukraine for no good reason>
raildogg: ooh Ukraine, look at what you made Russia do.


and the IOF killed another American in the West Bank


i though that Biden would make people that harmed Americans pay for it, not pay them to do it...

I'm surprised that people still do this. What difference does it make if an American dies or a Palestinian? It's a really shitty implication to give any kind of support to that one nation's people is more important than another's.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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That's the problem with Ukraine supporters, they can only think in black or white terms. You are with Russia or against Russia. It's not that simple, sorry.
That's the problem with Polish supporters. They can only think in black or white terms. You are with Nazi Germany or against Nazi Germany. It's not that simple, sorry.

See how fucking stupid that sounds?
 

repoman0

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That's the problem with Polish supporters. They can only think in black or white terms. You are with Nazi Germany or against Nazi Germany. It's not that simple, sorry.

See how fucking stupid that sounds?
He probably doesn’t think it sounds stupid at all. You are equivalent to a Nazi in my eyes if you support Russia over Ukraine. It’s the same thing.
 
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KMFJD

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IOF also killed a couple more Al Jazera journalist, almost 1 a day now

I'm surprised that people still do this. What difference does it make if an American dies or a Palestinian? It's a really shitty implication to give any kind of support to that one nation's people is more important than another's.

it was a sarcastic reply to what Biden had said a week or so ago when some soldiers where killed in Jordan(?) , and i fully agree with your reply
 
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fskimospy

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He probably doesn’t think it sounds stupid at all. You are equivalent to a Nazi in my eyes if you support Russia over Ukraine. It’s the same thing.
Russia today is probably the closest thing the world has to Nazi Germany, yes. North Korea has some of those same traits but at least they don't have the aggressive foreign policy. (maybe due to an inability more than a lack of desire)

Really though - Russia now talks about their invasion of Ukraine in explicitly genocidal terms and they've behaved as such in the areas they've occupied. It's not to subjugate Ukraine, it's to destroy Ukraine as a culture and as a nation. Just like the Nazis, Russia needs to be defeated because they won't stop.
 

mikeymikec

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From an idealistic standpoint I'd say Russia is more confused than say Nazi Germany or Israel. I wouldn't be surprised if most of Russia's hierarchy is buying into this Ukraine invasion because the narrative is a good distraction for the people, but even at the top the narrative is pretty confused, like an expression of entitlement/ego. Nazi Germany's ideology wasn't confused but its objectives were (especially towards the end of the war). Israel's ideology is not confused either, but when they have completed the Palestinian genocide then IMO there's going to be a lot of "where do we go from here" thinking in their halls of power. Just like Nazi Germany, Israel knowing when to quit would be a really good idea, but just like Nazi Germany, they've got a taste for conquest and a sense of entitlement to go with it.

Russia won't quit either until they've been stomped for largely the same reason. I've said from the start of the more recent threat to Ukraine that the entire West should have lined up together to defend Ukraine and IMO we could have wrapped that conflict up by now; even against Ukraine (with equipment assistance admittedly) they've been throwing their resources into a meat grinder, imagine the catastrophe for the Russians if we were united in Europe's defence.

I just can't fathom the utter insanity of some of humanity to actually want conflict without good reason especially considering we have far larger problems to contend with likely even within my lifetime, but if it's war they want and they won't be convinced otherwise, then it's best to just get it over and done with as quickly as possible, and in a way that allows for rapid de-escalation. Perhaps if Putin / his cabinet was told that NATO has decided to help defend Ukraine, and for every month at this conflict goes on for, more resources will be sent to bolster the entirety of Europe against Russia, and to consider that if Russia spends all its military resources in a pointless conflict then who will be left to defend Putin and his friends from some other foreign invader or the pitchforks from the locals.
 

KMFJD

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they are bombing another hospital today



Meanwhile Irish politicians seem to be one of the few brave enough to speak out against this fascist regime


 
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Amol S.

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At this point I do not think Israel would mind to use left over US A-bombs from WWII on Palestine if they were given the option.
 
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