Yea, I did a stent at our home office in Anaheim, after working at the EB Groton shipyard, and tech rep. at the Bangor Sub Base. Yep, compete difference in real security, between the home office and those other facilities mentioned.
Yea, I did a stent at our home office in Anaheim, after working at the EB Groton shipyard, and tech rep. at the Bangor Sub Base. Yep, compete difference in real security, between the home office and those other facilities mentioned.Speaking as someone that has worked in the Defense space for 3 decades, including a few of those sites listed (and other similar ones), there is no real security to speak of. Picture private guards that are older than Biden, or rounder than Trump. It's on the level of mall security.
Naive take? Not sure if you're just being dense or things really dont add up with you.That's a naive take (and also reliant on believing ONE of bin Laden's reasons alone), which by logical extension would have the US not being involved AT ALL in large swaths of global policy.
US persons are at risk in lots of locations (home and abroad) for any number of reasons. Adding one more to the list to try and score cheap political points on a hot button issue that we can't actually control or solve is not a great idea.
Like I said, carry on.
Naive take? Not sure if you're just being dense or things really dont add up with you.
The bombing and killing of tens of 1000s of civilians is a very compelling reason for anyone on the receiving end to be be absolutely enraged with those enabling the killing of their loved ones or people. Its a universal principle, not just Bin Ladens.
The U.S. was enraged when it happened to them on 9-11! And they similarly unleashed violent reprisals against their attackers. One would be foolish to write off any potential blowback from the Gaza slaughter.
That's a naive take (and also reliant on believing ONE of bin Laden's reasons alone), which by logical extension would have the US not being involved AT ALL in large swaths of global policy.
US persons are at risk in lots of locations (home and abroad) for any number of reasons. Adding one more to the list to try and score cheap political points on a hot button issue that we can't actually control or solve is not a great idea.
Like I said, carry on.
Correction, unleashed violent reprisals against the neighbors of their attackers. Eventually got to the attackers though!And they similarly unleashed violent reprisals against their attackers.
So you're all in favor of protecting US lives, right? Now go back and re-read that 2nd sentence again. Here, I'll give it to you again.
You mean the US is stuck with supplying Israels bombs requirements regardless how many civilians, women and children it kills. While knowing that it can seriously undermine its own interests and security when new terrorists spawn out of this seeking revenge for its policies. Like what Hamas did to the Israelis on Oct 7. And what Hamas or other terrorists may seek to do to the US in turn like Bin Laden.US persons are at risk in lots of locations (home and abroad) for any number of reasons. Adding one more to the list to try and score cheap political points on a hot button issue that we can't actually control or solve is not a great idea.
You mean the US is stuck with supplying Israels bombs requirements regardless how many civilians, women and children it kills. While knowing that it can seriously undermine its own interests and security when new terrorists spawn out of this seeking revenge for its policies. Like what Hamas did to the Israelis on Oct 7. And what Hamas or other terrorists may seek to do to the US in turn like Bin Laden.
When you say that we cant actually control or solve you basically mean the Israels have us by the nuts regardless of what they do including killing our own like they did in the USS Liberty attack. And you're fine with continuing to support them. Got it.
Yes problems will still exist, but nothing like the problems that Israel created for the US in terms of 1000s of US lives lost (directly and indirectly), economic and strategic setbacks, prestige and reputation being a puppet of a tiny state that controls its wars and foreign policies and DEFIES the US when told to stop.Nice strawman, but no.
I'm saying that even if we cut Israel off now the "problems" would still exist. It's been there for a while, and it'll be there long after we're gone.
Yes problems will still exist, but nothing like the problems that Israel created for the US in terms of 1000s of US lives lost (directly and indirectly), economic and strategic setbacks, prestige and reputation being a puppet of a tiny state that controls its wars and foreign policies and DEFIES the US when told to stop.
And please, learn how to use terms like "strawman" properly in the areas it applies.
If I may ask, do you view US all out support for Israel including endless supplies of the most deadly weapons that inflict high civilian death tolls in the US best interests? And that the US is doing so because it genuinely sees it in its best interests? Or because it has no choice and must follow the bidding of pro-Israel lobbyists that keep the politicians and decision makers in power?You argued against a point I didn't make and ran with it into the Liberty incident. It fits.
Now you can go on and call me a "zionist" or something similar.
You mean the US is stuck with supplying Israels bombs requirements regardless how many civilians, women and children it kills. While knowing that it can seriously undermine its own interests and security when new terrorists spawn out of this seeking revenge for its policies. Like what Hamas did to the Israelis on Oct 7. And what Hamas or other terrorists may seek to do to the US in turn like Bin Laden.
When you say that we cant actually control or solve you basically mean the Israels have us by the nuts regardless of what they do including killing our own like they did in the USS Liberty attack. And you're fine with continuing to support them. Got it.
If I may ask, do you view US all out support for Israel including endless supplies of the most deadly weapons that inflict high civilian death tolls in the US best interests? And that the US is doing so because it genuinely sees it in its best interests? Or because it has no choice and must follow the bidding of pro-Israel lobbyists that keep the politicians and decision makers in power?
How can the US find a solution when its beneficiary (Israel) is the one calling the shots? This whole argument is pointless without recognizing Israels tremendous hold on the US political system via its lobbyists (AIPAC). Whatever Israeli wants, it gets, plain and simple.Despite trying to back-track the comments in this exchange, I can't quite figure out what this argument is about. But the "can't actually control or solve" bit is only partially correct. To actually fix the problem is clearly immensely difficult - I acknowledge it's a complex problem with victimhood and crimes on both sides - but the US could certainly play a less one-sided and destructive role in the conflict. They could have at least continued to _try_ to find a solution (as they have done periodically in the past).
The US supplies the munitions, and much of the funding to pay for them, that get dropped on Palestinians. That means you are involved whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
the freedoms to meddle with 3rd world countries for 100 years, exporting violence and death and exploiting them for resources, in the name of almighty capiltalism.Plus you've been told 9-11 was because "they hate you for your freedoms". Hope you are a bit more enlightened now.
the freedoms to meddle with 3rd world countries for 100 years, exporting violence and death and exploiting them for resources, in the name of almighty capiltalism.
Freedom to back some genocidal fuckwits in the name of opposing the communist boogeyman.
Those are the "freedoms" that come to mind.
Nice strawman, but no.
I'm saying that even if we cut Israel off now the "problems" would still exist. It's been there for a while, and it'll be there long after we're gone.
Meh. The building across the street from my office is occupied by an Israeli defense contractor. Two protests in the past couple months, no issues. Raytheon has seen multiple protests, no issues. Of course, that facility has the "shoot on sight" type security for anyone dumb enough to try to approach the weapons assembly or storage areas.Great way to possibly endanger the lives of US citizens ...
If you’re mad about genocide you’re going to be so mad about the Russians you support.The world is now seeing the US as the hypocritical, immoral and violent country that they are. This so-called ceasefire the US proposed at the UN was such a lie that many people are seeing it for what it is. Thankfully it was vetoed and therefore showed the world how disgusting US foreign policy is. The world sees that the US supports a genocidal, far right Israel and goes to many lengths to do so. Shameful.
The Chinese at the UN said that an immediate ceasefire is a necessity for delivering aid to the suffering Palestinians and that this US proposal would not help towards that. This is the case. The Chinese are correct and deserve credit.
But if you understand how much power the Israelis have over the US, this so-called ceasefire proposal makes sense.
The US should be embarrassed of itself. It is supporting and financing genocide and this ceasefire proposal was a joke.
"China's U.N. ambassador, Zhang Jun, criticized the text proposed by the U.S. for not clearly stating its opposition to a planned military operation by Israel in Rafah, which he said could lead to severe consequences. He said Beijing also supported the alternative." Reuters
So you know why US is afraid to tell Israel to immediately stop the genocide? Because Israel has too much power over US and US politicians are cowards.
Another terrible move by US and the whole world sees this. Actively supporting genocidal Israel by funding it, arming it and then protecting it at the UN. Not only this, the US is actively starving Palestinians by allowing Israel to block the many tons of aid waiting at the border crossings, which the Israelis are blocking.
You’re going to be so mad when you find out what China does to its minorities.China is now the leader of the world I think because we know the US are disrespected too much as a country. People know too much about US hypocrisy and criminal behaviors of the past. The past 70 years of regime change wars, occupations, etc have eroded America's role in world affairs. This is too bad but in a vacuum, other emerging powers will claim the title.
China clearly supports Palestinians much more than US and the Muslim world will have to see this.
"On March 7, 2024, Member of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee and Foreign Minister Wang Yi elaborated on China’s position on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict when he met the press during the NPC and CPPCC sessions.
Wang Yi said that the current Palestinian-Israeli conflict has caused 100,000 civilian casualties, and countless innocent people remain buried under the rubble. There is no distinction between noble and humble lives, and life should not be labeled by race or religion. The failure to end this humanitarian disaster today in the 21st century is a tragedy for humanity and a disgrace for civilization. Nothing justifies the protraction of the conflict, or the killing of the civilian population. The international community must act promptly to promote an immediate ceasefire as its overriding priority and ensure humanitarian assistance as its pressing moral obligation. People in Gaza have the right to life in this world, and women and children deserve the care from their families. All detainees should be released, and all actions that harm civilians should be stopped.
Wang Yi said that the calamity in Gaza is another wake-up call for the world that the long occupation of the Palestinian territories is a fact that should not be ignored anymore, and that the long-cherished aspiration of the Palestinians for an independent state should not be evaded anymore. More importantly, the historical injustice to the Palestinians must not be allowed to continue uncorrected from generation to generation. Restoring justice to the Palestinian people and fully implementing the two-State solution is the only way to break the vicious cycle of Palestinian-Israeli conflicts, to eliminate the breeding ground of extremist ideologies, and to genuinely realize enduring peace in the Middle East.
China firmly supports the Palestinian peoples’ just cause of regaining their legitimate national rights, and is always committed to a comprehensive, just and lasting solution to the question of Palestine. China supports Palestine’s full membership in the U.N., and urges certain U.N. Security Council member not to lay obstacles to that end. China calls for a more broad-based, more authoritative, and more effective international peace conference to work out a timetable and road map for the two-State solution. China believes that Palestine and Israel should resume peace talks as soon as possible to achieve the ultimate goal that they coexist in peace as two states and the Arab and Jewish peoples live in harmony as two ethnic groups. China will continue to work with the international community to restore peace, save lives, and uphold justice."
Thank you China for standing up to the genocidal countries of USA and Israel.