I can see also the possibility that owing to the scale of the response they just said fuck it and killed them. In any case looks to me a decision was made by the Israeli government to write off the hostages, more reason to remove Netanyahu from office.The Palestinians are fucking starving and they've been bombed into the Stone age you think keeping hostages alive in those kind of situations is as simple as pie.
It's pretty clear Hamas was using them as bargaining chips, they are not good to them dead - But when you're getting full-scale war waged on you I'm not sure what they were supposed to do.
I'm not sure what they were supposed to do.
Of course. And other things Hamas has done. And Israel shouldn't have done many things it has done in the past to Palestinians. Just as horrific, and even more so because they abused their overwhelming power and ally connections over the Palestinians for decades, who were easily exploited by Israel, but Israel was held up by a massive Western propaganda campaign.What they are supposed to do is NOT Take Hostages. Esp innocent civilians women and children.
Of course. And other things Hamas has done. And Israel shouldn't have done many things it has done in the past to Palestinians. Just as horrific, and even more so because they abused their overwhelming power and ally connections over the Palestinians for decades, who were easily exploited by Israel, but Israel was held up by a massive Western propaganda campaign.
But You can't ignore the actual situation we find ourselves in. There were multiple times when ceasefires were being pushed including hostage releases before Israel leveled all but a tiny part of Gaza. Israel would never agree.
It's been pretty clear what the Israelis have wanted. They've shown it over not just the decades but especially over the last 6 months. They just wanted to raze Gaza, And they weren't willing to let too many ceasefires prevent that. They only stopped recently because they finally looked so bad and the world was turning against them. Israel truly waited until it got really bad what they were doing.
In fact a a noticeable amount of Israelis are against netanyahu, because he clearly showed he was more bloodthirsty than about saving the hostages.
But you don't live in reality for probably about 90% of anything sociopolitical. Probably a little more.
Can this be an issue where you you synergize with reality? Let's see what your next post says.
The Israel state would continue to murder Palestinians, only retail instead of wholesale. The apartheid state would remain in operation and Israelis would continue to steal Palestinian land.Just imagine what would be like today if they had Not taken any hostages and murdered innocents?
I know you're not very smart but could you be so dumb as to think that October 7th happened in a vacuum? And there aren't decades of History behind what led up to that moment?Just imagine what would be like today if they had Not taken any hostages and murdered innocents?
The Israel state would continue to murder Palestinians, only retail instead of wholesale. The apartheid state would remain in operation and Israelis would continue to steal Palestinian land.
I know you're not very smart but could you be so dumb as to think that October 7th happened in a vacuum? And there aren't decades of History behind what led up to that moment?
I mean take your pick. You dismissed my post which actually brought in historical context, as well as current information. All you can talk about is October 7th.
So pick one of two.
1. October 7th happened in a vacuum and we can ignore everything else before and around that and since then. Time starts there, and the is the only event that matters.
2. October 7th is just the most recent part of a very explosive and deadly history that spans decades and decades, And to talk about where we are now we have to actually take the actual context for everything happening into account.
One or two. Simple one-word response needed.
Okay. Not arguing that point. My comment was in response to MrSquished statement about
"I'm not sure what they were supposed to do."
No, you can't dictate my response.
I never stated that it happened in a vacuum did I? Nope I didn't. I responded to your comment where you stated "I'm not sure what they were supposed to do." I stated exactly what they should have done.
Granted none of this is in a vacuum.
Israel abuses its dominance over Gaza and the West Bank.
Hamas wants Israel wiped from the earth at all cost.
This cost is amplified by the brainwashing of the Palestinian people.
The Palestinian people support Hamas even as they are used as shields.
And it goes around and around.
This time Israel has had enough and it seems they will not be swayed away from their goal to wipe Hamas out in Gaza.
Hamas has Fucked around and found out.
I agree with many that Israel should not have been so heavy handed in this, but things are different when you are on the receiving end of the October the 7th terrorist attack.
I don't know if you are a Christian. I was only exposed to Christianity as a child but I am no longer one now. But out of curiosity and because in my opinion your post expresses a highly evolved moral conviction and if you are a Christian, what do you make of the idea of God's wrath? What I take from it is that even God can reach a point where He's had enough and He lowers the boom. Turning the other cheek is a wise idea, I suppose, if you are only struck once. I believe Islam has a much more rational approach if I understand it correctly: If you are set upon by 'evil' people, you destroy them mercilessly and without compromise right up to the point where they ask for forgiveness. They you are required to stop and show compassion, but only once. Any going back on the promise to behave and, well, like I said, you only get one chance. Perhaps there is a Muslim around who can tell me if I have it all wrong.What they are supposed to do is NOT Take Hostages. Esp innocent civilians women and children.
You are deluded. This has been Israels modus operandi for decades. Virtually everything they do is calculated, incl the mass slaughter of the Palestinians. Netanyahu and his RW cabinet are doing this because they know thats what the Israel masses who elected them want. And of course to wipe away the Palestian problem from any future peace settlement that would involve giving back their stolen land. Until they are ethnically cleansed where no one is left to give it back to.Its been a while now, and I still very angry about the world kitchen strike.
I do not think it was intentional like some claim. I think the IDF command just did not care, and gave deconfliction lip service and nothing more.
The problem is the rot starts at the top in Israel.
Israel is incapable of success until that is fixed. On the top levels of government, incapable of humanity.
Correct, with some amendments. Since they are the chosen people, they deserve the whole Earth and because they don't, they have been deprived of their rightful land (and water bodies) and hence they consider themselves the victims. And oh, every human on the planet who is not them is a lesser human. In other words, we are all animals to them, annoyingly keeping them from populating Earth with their murderous progeny.1. We are God's chosen people. Whatever we do is just.
2. We are the victims. Always.
3. Palestinians are not human, they are animals.
Tbh I dont believe they were always like that. In the early 80s there were mass demonstrations in Israel against their "military operation" in Lebanon which had caused many 1000s of civilian deaths. They were more left leaning or centrist back then and more open to peace. In the 90s, Israeli PM Rabin was earnest in his push for a peace deal with the Pals and signed the Oslo accords. I dont think he would pushed on with it if he didnt feel the majority of Israelis supported him in that. Sadly he was assasinated by a RW extremist in 95. The Pals also had extremists who tried to scuttle the Oslo accords and began a wave of bombings in Israel during the elections, which turned Israeli sentiment against them and brought Netanyahu into power.Correct, with some amendments. Since they are the chosen people, they deserve the whole Earth and because they don't, they have been deprived of their rightful land (and water bodies) and hence they consider themselves the victims. And oh, every human on the planet who is not them is a lesser human. In other words, we are all animals to them, annoyingly keeping them from populating Earth with their murderous progeny.
Okay. Not arguing that point. My comment was in response to MrSquished statement about
"I'm not sure what they were supposed to do."
No, you can't dictate my response.
I never stated that it happened in a vacuum did I? Nope I didn't. I responded to your comment where you stated "I'm not sure what they were supposed to do." I stated exactly what they should have done.
Granted none of this is in a vacuum.
Israel abuses its dominance over Gaza and the West Bank.
Hamas wants Israel wiped from the earth at all cost.
This cost is amplified by the brainwashing of the Palestinian people.
The Palestinian people support Hamas even as they are used as shields.
And it goes around and around.
This time Israel has had enough and it seems they will not be swayed away from their goal to wipe Hamas out in Gaza.
Hamas has Fucked around and found out.
I agree with many that Israel should not have been so heavy handed in this, but things are different when you are on the receiving end of the October the 7th terrorist attack.
So even though Israel has been steadily eradicating Palestine for many decades, you think Hamas is the real problem here rather than an entirely predicable side-effect of Israel's actions.
If you ever witness police brutality, I'm sure you'll be shouting "stop resisting!" from the sidelines.
As I see it you are incorrect iwhen you say both sides share blame. Blame implies guilt and guilt implies sin and sin is based on good and evil which I have mentioned does not exit, there being zero proof of it. It exists only in the imagination and thoughts people have.None of it is that simple and they all have some blame for where it is today. All.
I'm just saying it wouldn't be anywhere near the condition it is currently without Oct. 7th which blew everything up.
But screw it. They have been doing this for a long time and I'm sure they will continue the same old thing time and time again ( on both sides ).