Yet again the US's actions go against our own words such as supporting a two state solution. Christ, at least abstain you damn pussy Biden.
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Not surprised at all. The MSM (other than CNN only recently) do not like to touch such stories. They get a lot of opposition from pro-Israel media watchdogs and businesses that may pull advertising from them. CNN however, if you took notice, a few months ago had a lot of internal push-back from their reporters and journos who accused them of "journalistic malpractice". So they have been trying to give both sides of the story rather than the general over-protective Israel-centric slant of the MSM.I'm surprised this story hasn't received more publicity.
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Or, Israel can follow international law and return land it occupied, since 1967.I remain on the fence.
Oct 7th was a massacre to precipitate a full blown war.
Hamas methods, defending a dense urban warzone, will explicitly result in mass casualties for their own people.
They knew this, they wanted this, they got this.
The reports from Israel certainly call into question the conduct of the war. The day to day and minute by minute decisions. On how to fight, on who to shoot or bomb. A lot of the reports are distressing in the sense that... it reportedly LOOKS like a rampage... a counter massacre. Even a Genocide. There appears to be no effort to seize control of and save the non combatants. Things that should be safe, that Israel declares safe... are death traps.
I would only fight like that if it was a fight to the death.
Is Israel justified in feeling that way following Oct 7th?
Or have they used it as an excuse to go too far?
I can neither endorse Israel's reported actions, nor accept a ceasefire in which Hamas still exists.
The proper outcome would be for Israel to seize Gaza and its people entirely. To intern, disarm, and absorb the people into Israel itself. To make life out of death.
Perhaps that outcome is just an idealistic fantasy, and death is the only practical option humans will allow. If both sides are committed to the annihilation of the other, are they not forcing us to choose a side? Stopping Israel means Israelis will die. Stopping Hamas means Palestinians will die.
What real choices do we have?
This would be huge if true. Egypt stands to lose a lot in US aid they go ahead with it. They are the 2nd largest recipient of US aid after Israel (mainly because of their peace treaty with Israel).
1.4BThis would be huge if true. Egypt stands to lose a lot in US aid they go ahead with it. They are the 2nd largest recipient of US aid after Israel (mainly because of their peace treaty with Israel).
The proper outcome would be for Israel to seize Gaza and its people entirely. To intern, disarm, and absorb the people into Israel itself. To make life out of death.
Perhaps that outcome is just an idealistic fantasy, and death is the only practical option humans will allow. If both sides are committed to the annihilation of the other, are they not forcing us to choose a side? Stopping Israel means Israelis will die. Stopping Hamas means Palestinians will die.
Arming Israel vs American soldiers fighting there is quite the non-sequitur. Thats not what things boil down to. US interests go far, far beyond that. Aside from super-power credibility and helping to uphold international law and order (when its flouted) and effectively using it vs current and future adversaries. Not to mention potential terrorism from angry militants seeing the US as complicit in enabling genocide. Dont be surprised if or when the chickens come home to roost. Didnt think this would be hard to get.So these puppets are putting Israel's needs above American Soldiers' needs?
The population of Israel is about 9 million people, the population of the Palestinian territories is about 5 million people.The proper outcome would be for Israel to seize Gaza and its people entirely. To intern, disarm, and absorb the people into Israel itself. To make life out of death.
Perhaps that outcome is just an idealistic fantasy, and death is the only practical option humans will allow. If both sides are committed to the annihilation of the other, are they not forcing us to choose a side? Stopping Israel means Israelis will die. Stopping Hamas means Palestinians will die.
The population of Israel is about 9 million people, the population of the Palestinian territories is about 5 million people.
The Israeli government isn't going to give voting rights to 5 million people who will vote against them.
Well Fox is not happy about it so it seems to be the right track. Works in my book.Yet again the US's actions go against our own words such as supporting a two state solution. Christ, at least abstain you damn pussy Biden.
LOL he calls that "on the fence." On day 1, he advocated for the IDF to bomb Gaza to rubble until all hostages were returned."Proper outcome" "idealistic fantasy"... you need to achieve a basic grasp of the last century of Palestine's history before you talk about what's proper, because you've got some really fucked-up beliefs, like a "the Jews started WW2" level of fucked up. Please, educate yourself. Otherwise for an encore you might as well assert that the "proper" people to ask what should have been done with displaced Holocaust survivors were the remaining Nazis directly after WW2.
Even judging your post purely on its own content is a mind-boggling experience. You basically acknowledge genocide but refuse to condemn it, and you think that the best thing for the Palestinian people is to let Israel continue disposing of them.
Oh, you're upset that I firmly believe there should be a military response to the massacre, the hostage taking, and the rocket barrages. That I believe the attacked should counter attack.LOL he calls that "on the fence." On day 1, he advocated for the IDF to bomb Gaza to rubble until all hostages were returned.
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I'm not emotionally invested, so no reason for me to be upset at your beliefs. I'm just pointing out for others that your lunacy is well-established from the jump and you haven't altered your positions. I personally have not called the current conflict a Genocide; but whatever one calls it, it's not morally defensible.Oh, you're upset that I firmly believe there should be a military response to the massacre, the hostage taking, and the rocket barrages. That I believe the attacked should counter attack.
Israel seizing and holding Gaza would be a legitimate response. And that was never going to occur without a terrible loss of life.
"I am on the fence" on if Israel's conduct exceeds even my tolerance. Especially if they have no intention of keeping Gaza, to accomplish real peace keeping goals such as disarming Hamas and seeking a lasting solution. There also appears to be a disregard for discerning targets. You know the reasons you call it a Genocide, and even I pause to reconsider Israeli conduct and what a proper response needs to be after taking that into consideration.
Which is notable, because I would allow their response to go far beyond what you would tolerate. That is, if you would allow any response at all to the Oct 7th massacre.
Tell us, is your answer to reward Hamas? Or did you have something else in mind?
That Israel has "real peace keeping goals" and "seeking a lasting solution" (even with a disarmed Hamas) simply means you are about as gaslit a mofo as can be, lol."I am on the fence" on if Israel's conduct exceeds even my tolerance. Especially if they have no intention of keeping Gaza, to accomplish real peace keeping goals such as disarming Hamas and seeking a lasting solution. There also appears to be a disregard for discerning targets. You know the reasons you call it a Genocide, and even I pause to reconsider Israeli conduct and what a proper response needs to be after taking that into consideration.
Which is notable, because I would allow their response to go far beyond what you would tolerate. That is, if you would allow any response at all to the Oct 7th massacre.
Tell us, is your answer to reward Hamas? Or did you have something else in mind?
That I believe the attacked should counter attack.
Who starts the grievance clock when you punch somebody in the nose. You always start it when they punch back. Israel was attacked so it has to do what it has to do, that's what I always say too after successfully provoking somebody. Joey started it Mommy. It's one of the first things you learn.Huh, well that's Hamas off the hook in your opinion... oh wait, of course not.
Except its nowhere near a punch in the nose, but a relentless process of oppression involving death of civilians, women and children, destruction of homes, collective punishment, obstruction to medical care, continuous theft of land until eventually something has to give resulting in a massive lashing out against ones tormentors. Analogies of a kid being punched in the nose is grossly misapplied.Who starts the grievance clock when you punch somebody in the nose. You always start it when they punch back. Israel was attacked so it has to do what it has to do, that's what I always say too after successfully provoking somebody. Joey started it Mommy. It's one of the first things you learn.
Except you have the main influencer (Israel) directing the US influencing.More like Isreal, the bully, has been punching Palestine in the nose every day for decades. And Israel has been able to get away with it because Daddy, the USA, has a lot of influence.
Your desire is to blame Israel. Mine was to describe in generalities the self justification of violence. Were my intention your intention then my analogy would be misapplied. I have seen what you describe for decades. It makes me sick, but I will point out to you that it feels like your anger at them is also being grossly misdirected at me.Except its nowhere near a punch in the nose, but a relentless process of oppression involving death of civilians, women and children, destruction of homes, collective punishment, obstruction to medical care, continuous theft of land until eventually something has to give resulting in a massive lashing out against ones tormentors. Analogies of a kid being punched in the nose is grossly misapplied.
Countdown to genocide: the year before October 7 - JVP
Ethnic cleansing of Palestinians has always been Israeli policy. Here, we present a brief history of the past year.www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org
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A Timeline of Crises in Palestine - occupied Palestinian territory
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