Israel: We Are At War

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Unfortunately Hamas has given Netanyahu a real reason to turn Gaza into glass and go full right wing dictator. I wonder if this is their version of death by cop?
Or is this somehow what Yahu wanted? Did he somehow intentionally create this situation?
 

Paratus

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US evangelicals, also pray for this day to happen. They need terrorism in the land of Apocolypse, so their Jesus can return. They literally believe this to be true, and now are mostly thinking their end times are finally here.

Just watch as the fanatics over here push to up the bloodshed and try to burn the world down.
If I was writing a Tom Clancyesque thriller I’d have an apocalyptic evangelical billionaire doing his damndest to fulfill the requirements for Armageddon by getting the closest thing to the anti-Christ elected in the US and fomenting war in Israel to kickoff WWIII.
 
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Leeea

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Or is this somehow what Yahu wanted? Did he somehow intentionally create this situation?
this is no different then Bush and 9/11, don't replace stupidity with conspiracy.

He created the situation alright, but not intentionally. Through incompetence, cruelty, and diplomatic success internationally.
 

HomerJS

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Fox broadcasts the truth on an off hour 12 noon Sunday. On their shows they are spreading lies claiming the 6B was used for the attacks and blamed Biden. Saw it on the Sunday Fox show.

I guess this is Fox's way of plausible deniability. Just like when Trump answers a question, he will let the truth slip out once while promoting lies another 50 times.
 

Leeea

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What? No, not even. See African violence against Africans. Do you even know what is going on their?
In Sudan? Russian backed Rapid Response Forces (who also committed a genocide in Darfur recently) are fighting the regular military for control of the government. It is very unclear who will win. Egypt and Ukraine are supporting the SAF, while UAE and Wager are supporting RRF.

Or in Mali? Wager mercenaries acting as a praetorian guard to keep the current government place to protect mineral extraction riches are in a losing fight with Bedouin tribes who are suddenly mysteriously well armed.

or in Niger? General Abdourahamane Tchiani launched a Coup, invited Wager, who sent a convoy down from Mali, which then was pwned in the desert in northern Niger by al-qaeda affiliates who oddly knew exactly where the convoy was, murdered all the Wagner soldiers, and looted it. General Tchiani is now a bit on is own now, and finds himself a bit isolated in a deteriorating situation. Prior to the coup the previous government was supported by French and US military bases which are still in Niger with their personnel now most likely watching and eating popcorn.
 
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linkgoron

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In general, since 2005 Israel does not occupy any part of Gaza and they're stationed according to the international border.
 
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akenbennu

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Hamas has said Iran assited in planning attacks.

 
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zinfamous

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It is astonishing the ignorance on this forum. No understanding of geopolitical reality or the suicicde of Hamas by recording these atrocities with gleeful abandon. Israel is a shit country but Hamas crossed a rubicon by this very televised terrorist attack. that peo-le are trying to justify this murderimg of women and children (with glee!) is astounding. Nine innocent Americans are dead. If you are American and can condone this you are a traitor.

I don't recall anyone condoning Hamas' actions here. The only argument you really see is that most of us understand what tends to happen when you push people to the absolute brink. There are certainly many other options for Hamas, but this is the one they chose. Horrifying and condemnable as it is.

The hard-line Israel supporters here, or anywhere, also really shouldn't be surprised by this. Such people tend to believe in their hearts anyway that Palestinians are savages, dirt people. Unwashed. Maybe even below the dalit in India. This is what ultra zionists are expected and, logically, have been insuring would only ever happen. WHy act surprised and horrified when a group of people do exactly what you've always believed they will do? This is actually what such people want, to be honest, to be proven that their objectionable racism and inhumanity are true, when all you have to do is torture and imprison an entire culture, steal everything of theirs for generations, and just wait for the response. This is pretty much what Genocidists want--the necessary hardline excuse to enact their final solution. Such, to be honest, is the conservative hardline morality that you find in Israel.

To be clear, I certainly think the only way out now is to eradicate Hamas and remove them from history. But I know that isn't really what Netanyahu and such want--they want total ethnic cleansing, and this was pretty much the event they have long been aiming for.
 

zinfamous

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If I was writing a Tom Clancyesque thriller I’d have an apocalyptic evangelical billionaire doing his damndest to fulfill the requirements for Armageddon by getting the closest thing to the anti-Christ elected in the US and fomenting war in Israel to kickoff WWIII.

Tom Robbins kinda sorta already did that, but it wasn't a thriller....

 

Jaskalas

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I am absolutely not for violence and oppression. You can look up my post history.
I will not, and never will, support an action from a terrorist organization such as Hamas.
Not going after you. I posed the question to make a point.
Many here will begin to condemn the response from Israel. If the goal is to remove Hamas, that would require the capture of Gaza. That is an incredible loss of life that is coming. Done by Israel.

I do not honestly know of an alternative response for what Hamas did, and continues to do. Missiles / rockets bombarding Israel from Gaza... requires missiles flying back in return, to bombard Gaza. A dense urban center. Tens of thousands will likely die.

Can we truly say we condemn what Hamas did, if we also condemn the only means of stopping and dealing with them?
It is a moral question up for discussion. Because no matter what anyone wants, an atrocity has occurred, with more to follow.
But it's not like we can do any better, can we?
 

HomerJS

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To be clear, I certainly think the only way out now is to eradicate Hamas and remove them from history. But I know that isn't really what Netanyahu and such want--they want total ethnic cleansing, and this was pretty much the event they have long been aiming for.
I think it is interesting that if Hamas had nukes the response would be far less aggressive.
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It doesn't appear the attack by Hamas is any different the Russia on Ukraine. Attacking civilians, war crimes, etc.
 
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To be clear, I certainly think the only way out now is to eradicate Hamas and remove them from history. But I know that isn't really what Netanyahu and such want--they want total ethnic cleansing, and this was pretty much the event they have long been aiming for.
I feel the same about the Sate Of Israel. The UN created it on paper, they can get rid of it.
 

cytg111

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Oh man... please please please be merciful and spare the civilians ... *somehow*.
 

akugami

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@Jaskalas

Got'cha.

I tried not to fly off the handle but just explain my stance.

I know what I'm saying may not be the most popular view, but I'm just trying to be truthful in how I feel.

Again, I'm just incredibly sad at the loss of life that I know is now guaranteed to happen. Innocents will get killed.
 
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Innocents is an odd word for that region. Most everyone there there is, will be or has been a combatant at some point in their lifetime.
 

amenx

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In general, since 2005 Israel does not occupy any part of Gaza and they're stationed according to the international border.
Since 2006.. "Gaza has been under a full Israeli-led land, sea and air blockade. This prevents people and goods from freely entering or leaving the territory, leading to the territory being often called an "open-air prison".[9]

 
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Ajay

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Are any of those considered terrorism? How many of those are instgated by Wagner or similar groups?
What other groups, you mean AQIM or Al-Shabaab. Or Muslims 'militias' in Nigeria attacking and killing members of the minority Christian population (now with bonus support from the new government). Or a bunch of other shit over the past 40 years.
 

K1052

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Some reports starting to surface that Egyptian intelligence recently warned Netanyahu that a large operation from Gaza was imminent.
 
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