Israel: We Are At War

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amenx

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-What literally every other president has done with regard to Israel since it's inception.
With the exception of Eisenhower and Bush Sr. Eisenhower pressured not only the Israelis but the Brits and French to end their invasion and withdraw from the Suez canal. Bush Sr, riding on high on 90% approval polls after victory in the Gulf War, withheld aid to Israel due to their expanding settlements policies. I have little doubt that the Lobby helped bring him down in 92.
 

Shervan360

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Hamas leaders live in Türkiye and Qatar. Why don't the US and Europe sanction Turkey and Qatar for this reason?
Qatar gives hundreds of millions of dollars to Hamas every year.
 

Moonbeam

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This is hilarious. A huge self-own for the pro-Israel camp who have been claiming that Qatar, Hamas or the Russians have been funding the pro-Pal student protests across the US. Turns out that a left leaning prominent Jewish family in the US was the major funder of the protests.

An Israeli think tank singled out the Bafrayung Fund presumably thinking it was a nefarious Qatar or Hamas linked org but turns out it was not the people whom they had hoped it would be.

The greatest hope I have for Israel is enlightened Jews.
 

amenx

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Eric Clapton : "Israel is running the world"

Well, it largely dictates US foreign policy & much of the media, so pretty close. And the reaction to his statement by the media is basically a demonstration of that. He has been declared an anti-Semite. Like the student protests who are "Hamas supporters".

“I was so enthused about what was going on at Columbia [University] and everywhere. And then I saw, what I couldn’t believe, because it freaked me out, were the Senate hearings, which were like the Nuremberg trials, you know?” Clapton said during his guest appearance on “The Real Music Observer,” hosted by David Spuria. “The Senate committee would be asking pointed questions to presidents of universities, saying, ‘I just want to hear yes or no. Don’t talk to me about context. Yes or no, are you promoting antisemitism in your college? Yes or no.’ And I thought, what is this, the Spanish Inquisition? And it is! It’s AIPAC [the American Israel Public Affairs Committee], it’s the lobby. Israel is running the show. Israel is running the world.”..

 

KMFJD

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the right wing of the Israeli coalition(Gvir/Smotrich) says that they will in no way accept the ceasefire deal as outlined by Biden and will dissolve the government if Bibi attempts it

(You'll need translation to read the tweets)


The deal, as its details were published today, means the end of the war and giving up on forcing the surrender of Hamas. This is a reckless deal, which is a victory for terrorism and a security danger to the State of Israel. Agreeing to such a deal is not the absolute victory - but the absolute defeat. We will not allow the end of the war without the complete elimination of Hamas.If the prime minister implements the reckless deal under the conditions published today, which mean the end of the war and the renouncing of Hamas, Otzma Yehudit will dissolve the government.

I have now spoken with the Prime Minister and made it clear to him that I will not be part of a government that will agree to the proposed outline and end the war without destroying Hamas and returning all the abductees.We will not agree to the end of the war before the destruction of Hamas, nor to a serious damage to the achievements of the war so far through the withdrawal of the IDF and the return of Gazans to the north of the Gaza Strip, nor to the wholesale release of terrorists who will return, God forbid, to murder Jews.We demand the continuation of the fighting until the destruction of Hamas and the return of all the abductees, the creation of a completely different security reality in Gaza and Lebanon, the return of all residents to their homes in the north and south and a massive investment in the accelerated development of these areas of the country.
 

Moonbeam

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the right wing of the Israeli coalition(Gvir/Smotrich) says that they will in no way accept the ceasefire deal as outlined by Biden and will dissolve the government if Bibi attempts it

(You'll need translation to read the tweets)


The deal, as its details were published today, means the end of the war and giving up on forcing the surrender of Hamas. This is a reckless deal, which is a victory for terrorism and a security danger to the State of Israel. Agreeing to such a deal is not the absolute victory - but the absolute defeat. We will not allow the end of the war without the complete elimination of Hamas.If the prime minister implements the reckless deal under the conditions published today, which mean the end of the war and the renouncing of Hamas, Otzma Yehudit will dissolve the government.

I have now spoken with the Prime Minister and made it clear to him that I will not be part of a government that will agree to the proposed outline and end the war without destroying Hamas and returning all the abductees.We will not agree to the end of the war before the destruction of Hamas, nor to a serious damage to the achievements of the war so far through the withdrawal of the IDF and the return of Gazans to the north of the Gaza Strip, nor to the wholesale release of terrorists who will return, God forbid, to murder Jews.We demand the continuation of the fighting until the destruction of Hamas and the return of all the abductees, the creation of a completely different security reality in Gaza and Lebanon, the return of all residents to their homes in the north and south and a massive investment in the accelerated development of these areas of the country.
Surely he means not the return of the hostages but the finding of them dead in the rubble.
 

Moonbeam

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You know you can return hostages, be they alive or dead. Even if dead, they get returned to their families.
You can always tell when the love of your hostage-held fellow countrymen is greater than the your lust to destroy their takers when you bomb the houses they may be held in. You can always put flowers on their graves if their bodies are recovered and call them the hero’s of a greater, in this case, Zionism. It does wonders for the conscience.
 
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A real diplomatic coup if the ceasefire goes through, considering how recalcitrant they have been to the more typical, quiet pressure.

Taking the deal that the war council voted on in secret and then airing it publicly so it becomes harder for them to deny and back out of it.
 

KMFJD

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bought and paid for


US congress passed bill, sanctioning the International Criminal Court (ICC) for pursuing arrest warrants for Israeli officials. The vote was 247-155, with 42 Democrats supporting the bill and 2 Republicans voting present.

so much for International rules based order?

Anyways, here's the Columbia Law Review's report on the Nakba as a legal Concept that they are trying to sensor (website has been under construction since news that this will be published)


 

Pohemi

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