You should calm down. How man Palestinians have been killed by Israeli's the last 20 years. Because it's not done on camera, is it any less horrendous?
what are you rambling on about? Israel is culpable but Hamas indiscrimately raping and killing innocent people on camera forced this response by Israel which will be horrendous. We have a far right madman in charge of Israel and Hamas does this? Blood will flow.
Is their attitude a recent position since 2021 or does this go back to 2016?I hope the US intel community is paying attention to International sentiment. Russia has done an amazing job seeding disinformation and hatred in African countries. I have never seen so much Hatred and Anger toward the US than I have seen recently from people in West Africa. Spoke to a West African friend who works for the UN and she told me her West African colleagues/freinds (Educated people) harbored the same sentiments.
I give the distinction to those who struck first. Those who escalated this conflict.Have you see the dead children in Gaza right now? Yes, what Hamas did was disgusting. But, because people have sophisticated weapons does it make it any better?
Recent. Since 2021. I wish I was exaggerating it. In fact Trump seems to be a hero. It's like a repudiation of professed "Western" values including democracy.Is their attitude a recent position since 2021 or does this go back to 2016?
I use those dates because the world opinion of the US was relatively high under Obama.
I give the distinction to those who struck first. Those who escalated this conflict.
The absolutely immense number of casualties that follow is on them. On Hamas. Israel's actions in this war, that Hamas started, are on Hamas.
It will be bloody hell. But I will not fault Israel for returning fire and entering Gaza to both pursue the end of Hamas AND the 100s of hostages whose situation must be ended swiftly, one way or another.
Again, more likely than not.I suspect they share less often because they were burned by the previous administration. Big mouth Trump spilling the intel beans with Russia and others.
Killed. Civilians. Decapitated. Children. These are not the freedom fighters you're looking for.I would argue that Palestinians who by all accounts live in an open air prison, some without adequate clean way without fecal matter would argue about who struck first.
If someone has their leg on your neck for 10 minutes and you punch their leg, who escalated it?
lord. Where did I justify Israel’s atrocities? Lord, there is no ability for context or reality awareness on this forum? What matters is the perceived reality; not reality. Hamas slaughtered innocents on camera with glee including Europeans and Americans. I don’t believe we, US, should be allies with Israel due to their inhuman treatment of Palestinians but we are. My feelings are irrelevant. I believe in two states with sovereign rights for the Palestinians. That is not reality. Hamas looks and are barbaric on camera and gave the yahoo in charge of Israel a greenlight to slaughter Palestinians. That is reality. Not ww2, or questioning why innocent people were at a music festival, nor the fact we shouldn’t assist Israel.You should calm down. How man Palestinians have been killed by Israeli's the last 20 years. Because it's not done on camera, is it any less horrendous?
Killed. Civilians. Decapitated. Children. These are not the freedom fighters you're looking for.
They aren't, they're both wrong. But don't try to justify terrorism by saying the other side is just as bad.1.) I never said Hamas were freedom fighters. 2.) I don't do sentimentality like that. Because these slaughters were caught on TV, do they make them different than the ones not caught on camera? How many children have died of hunger, disease, miscarriage in Palestine the last few years because of the conditions they are forced to live under. Why are these deaths different?
That is unrelated to occupied territory. Yes, Israel controls much of the border, but in general the blockade level has gone back and forth, as every time the blockade was eased Hamas used the materials passed for their tunnels and for rockets. However, my claim was specifically about occupied land. In addition, the Gaza Strip has a border with Egypt, so it's impossible to say that Israel would have a full blockade, and it has already been stated in this thread that Palestinians have been leaving the Gaza strip using that border.Since 2006.. "Gaza has been under a full Israeli-led land, sea and air blockade. This prevents people and goods from freely entering or leaving the territory, leading to the territory being often called an "open-air prison".[9]
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I don't think so. There won't be much support for that kind of thing - Israel has already done that mistake once.Whatever will be left of Gaza will prob be permanently controlled by Israel. At least this will allow them to provide humanitarian aid once the dust settles. I don't see any other alternative? No way they allow Gaza to just remain the way it is.
They aren't, they're both wrong. But don't try to justify terrorism by saying the other side is just as bad.
you just don’t get it. Perceived reality versus reality. Hamas gleefully televised their sadistic barbarism for the world to see. That is the perceived reality. The reality Israel does shitty things is not relevant at the moment to the world. Sorry, but murdering children on tv was suicide for Hamas and Gaza. That is reality.1.) I never said Hamas were freedom fighters. 2.) I don't do sentimentality like that. Because these slaughters were caught on TV, do they make them different than the ones not caught on camera? How many children have died of hunger, disease, miscarriage in Palestine the last few years because of the conditions they are forced to live under. Why are these deaths different?
Bruh, there's a huge, huge difference between killing the soldiers of a warring nation and breaking their military shit, and cutting the heads off prepubescent boys, or parading raped corpses around town. You absolutely must realize that.Honestly, what is the difference between terrorism and War? At the end of the day, there will be dead children. Do you think the father of a dead child says oh, it's ok because it was War? Israel said these strikes/war are for deterrence or to install fear so Hamas won't try it again. hmm... but that's not terrorism.
Again, making it clear, I'm not justifying HAMAS, but am not going to justify Israel either. Israel is like Russia to me. Ukraine is trying to do things the right way because they've been given Western weapons to be able to. Hamas is doing it the wrong way.
He doesn’tBruh, there's a huge, huge difference between killing the soldiers of a warring nation and breaking their military shit, and cutting the heads off prepubescent boys, or parading raped corpses around town. You absolutely must realize that.
Based on your justification, Isreal should just drop nuclear warheads on the west bank and gaza. All those people are gonna die eventually anyhow, and it'll end the conflict sooner with less Israeli deaths, so fuck it, drop the hammer.
Bruh, there's a huge, huge difference between killing the soldiers of a warring nation and breaking their military shit, and cutting the heads off prepubescent boys, or parading raped corpses around town. You absolutely must realize that.
Based on your justification, Isreal should just drop nuclear warheads on the west bank and gaza. All those people are gonna die eventually anyhow, and it'll end the conflict sooner with less Israeli deaths, so fuck it, drop the hammer.
Bruh, there's a huge, huge difference between killing the soldiers of a warring nation and breaking their military shit, and cutting the heads off prepubescent boys, or parading raped corpses around town. You absolutely must realize that.
Based on your justification, Isreal should just drop nuclear warheads on the west bank and gaza. All those people are gonna die eventually anyhow, and it'll end the conflict sooner with less Israeli deaths, so fuck it, drop the hammer.
you just don’t get it. Perceived reality versus reality. Hamas gleefully televised their sadistic barbarism for the world to see. That is the perceived reality. The reality Israel does shitty things is not relevant at the moment to the world. Sorry, but murdering children on tv was suicide for Hamas and Gaza. That is reality.
Nope, as I said before, they're both wrong. I'm not defending the Israelis though. You were the one arguing their 'escalation' was justified by Israel's oppression.So the dead Palestinian children are Palestinian soldiers? You seem to be glossing over them as if they don't matter.