Israel: We Are At War

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mikeymikec

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In this particular case, I'm not the destructive kind of bigot. I would prefer that a wall be built around Israel and they be contained within the confines of their homeland, for eternity because they have shown AGAIN and AGAIN that they don't deserve to mingle with the rest of the world.

There are people living in Israel who are protesting what their government is doing, for example. Why should they also be punished? You're also advocating that a person nor any of their descendants can ever be redeemed, does that seem even remotely just or sensible?
 
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There are people living in Israel who are protesting what their government is doing, for example. Why should they also be punished? You're also advocating that a person nor any of their descendants can ever be redeemed, does that seem even remotely just or sensible?
We could revisit the decision after a century of good behavior from them?
 

fskimospy

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In this particular case, I'm not the destructive kind of bigot. I would prefer that a wall be built around Israel and they be contained within the confines of their homeland, for eternity because they have shown AGAIN and AGAIN that they don't deserve to mingle with the rest of the world.
Well this is pretty disgusting. Glad to see you're so enlightened that you're willing to stop at what amounts to a concentration camp though. Such progress!
 
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Well this is pretty disgusting. Glad to see you're so enlightened that you're willing to stop at what amounts to a concentration camp though. Such progress!
So making the entirety of Israel a concentration camp disgusts you but them doing the same to Gaza is alright?
 

K1052

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What is Israel doing?
Seems they are trying to provoke a war right before the election.

It already was a war and personally I don't think Netanyahu intends to end the war anytime soon and whenever that happens he will likely replace relative peace with a much higher baseline of conflict. He's already basically said the hostages can rot via word and deed. Putting a man in charge of the country who is totally unconcerned with anything but his own political survival might have, yet again, been a bad move.
 
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Sad you don't feel the same.
Because it will be temporary. Subject to a review after a century. If we can imprison humans for bad behavior, why not horrible nations like Israel, Russia or even China? Either that or we make sure they are never led by maniacs.
 
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Putting a man in charge of the country who is totally unconcerned with anything but his own political survival might have, yet again, been a bad move.
But he's just one man. ONE MAN. Just like Russia, no one there has the guts to remove him. Not a single brave soul who can assassinate a bastard like Netanyahu or Putin.
 

fskimospy

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Because it will be temporary. Subject to a review after a century. If we can imprison humans for bad behavior, why not horrible nations like Israel, Russia or even China? Either that or we make sure they are never led by maniacs.
Collective punishment is a war crime.
 

fskimospy

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With no repercussions it seems coz both Israel and Russia have done it successfully and with impunity so far.
So are you for or against collective punishment? If for, that's fine, just say so.

If against, can you justify your plan for an entire lifetime of collective punishment?
 
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If against, can you justify your plan for an entire lifetime of collective punishment?
That's pretty easy. Both Israel and Russia perpetrated horrendous war crimes against their neighbors and the only thing to keep them in check that I can think of is justifying the "so-called" lifetime imprisonment within their boundaries war crime which by the way, isn't that much of a crime since no one is getting killed by remaining restricted to their boundaries. We just take away their defensive and offensive capabilities, no missiles or explosive projectiles and no airplanes (even civilian coz we know how wretched they are). It's pretty mild compared to what they deserve. The innocents in the country didn't overthrow their rulers so they are part of the problem.
 
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But he's just one man. ONE MAN. Just like Russia, no one there has the guts to remove him. Not a single brave soul who can assassinate a bastard like Netanyahu or Putin.
Well, hop to it, Colonel Landa. The Jews aren’t going to stop controlling the world banking system and enslaving the rest of humanity without brave soldiers like yourself taking the initiative.
 

fskimospy

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That's pretty easy. Both Israel and Russia perpetrated horrendous war crimes against their neighbors and the only thing to keep them in check that I can think of is justifying the "so-called" lifetime imprisonment within their boundaries war crime which by the way, isn't that much of a crime since no one is getting killed by remaining restricted to their boundaries. We just take away their defensive and offensive capabilities, no missiles or explosive projectiles and no airplanes (even civilian coz we know how wretched they are). It's pretty mild compared to what they deserve. The innocents in the country didn't overthrow their rulers so they are part of the problem.
Okay got it - you are fine with war crimes so long as they are committed against people you think deserve it.

I'm going to stay on the 'concentration camps are bad' side though.
 

emperus

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It already was a war and personally I don't think Netanyahu intends to end the war anytime soon and whenever that happens he will likely replace relative peace with a much higher baseline of conflict. He's already basically said the hostages can rot via word and deed. Putting a man in charge of the country who is totally unconcerned with anything but his own political survival might have, yet again, been a bad move.

I think what we are seeing now is directly tied to the US election. Netanyahu feels he has the leeway to do anything he wants. It may help Trump and if Trump wins, he won't get push back, and if Harris wins, will make it harder for a 2 state solution and he'll be in a better place in terms of territory if they do do push for it. Also, it keeps him in power.
Biden is preoccupied with the election and doesn't want to pick that fight right now.

Heard some reporting that some Middle East heads of state thought the same.
 

K1052

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I think what we are seeing now is directly tied to the US election. Netanyahu feels he has the leeway to do anything he wants. It may help Trump and if Trump wins, he won't get push back, and if Harris wins, will make it harder for a 2 state solution and he'll be in a better place in terms of territory if they do do push for it. Also, it keeps him in power.
Biden is preoccupied with the election and doesn't want to pick that fight right now.

Heard some reporting that some Middle East heads of state thought the same.

I think he would prefer Trump but he's also going to do what he thinks is best to keep him in his office which is to keep the war going. His incentives are badly misaligned with what the state actually needs and that's not likely to change after November. It might ratchet down a bit but keeping the tensions relatively high benefits him politically for now.
 

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Israels expelling Aljazeera was precisely to conceal news like this. Occasionally news does leak out. Surprisingly from the NYT. Call it what you will but looks like something that may portend the beginning of the ethnic cleansing of the WB.

Israeli Bulldozers Flatten Mile After Mile in the West Bank​

Over two weeks, Palestinians watched as Israeli military bulldozers tore up mile after mile of their streets and alleys, sewage seeping into the dusty ruts left behind.

Visual evidence analyzed by The New York Times supports accounts from residents about the damage from Israel’s latest raids. Videos filmed in Tulkarm and Jenin show bulldozers destroying infrastructure and businesses, and soldiers impeding local emergency responders.

“We watched their bulldozers tear up streets, demolish businesses, pharmacies, schools. They even bulldozed the town soccer field, and a tree in the middle of a road,” said Kamal Abu al-Rub, the governor of Jenin, a governorate in the northern West Bank. “What was the point of all of this?”

 
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They will pay. I can state that just as confidently as the fact that I will die one day.

Jewish people have a history of getting punished for their transgressions throughout the centuries and they still didn't learn anything. So they will suffer once more. This is just history repeating itself.

An example of their delusion: https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/punishments-land-and-people/

God's punishments against the Land. Not them. The Land.

This is how arrogant they are.

The highlighted by me and your additional comments two posts down go beyond the pale. You were reported, and rightly so. You simply cannot talk about "the Jews" in these terms here. Please reconsider your approach, and modify it.

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fskimospy

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They will pay. I can state that just as confidently as the fact that I will die one day.

Jewish people have a history of getting punished for their transgressions throughout the centuries and they still didn't learn anything. So they will suffer once more. This is just history repeating itself.

An example of their delusion: https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/punishments-land-and-people/

God's punishments against the Land. Not them. The Land.

This is how arrogant they are.
Interesting to see how in this thread you’ve graduated from the entire nation of Israel being placed in a concentration camp for the remainder of their lives to all of Judaism being punished for your imagined sins.

This is just revolting antisemitism. I hope you get the help you need because you’re in a dark place.
 
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This is just revolting antisemitism. I hope you get the help you need because you’re in a dark place.
You don't understand religion like I do.

Jewish people find loopholes in their commandments. If they followed their original commandments to the letter, God would go easy on them. But they have a habit of arguing over the intricacies of their Torah instead of just doing what it says. If you understand God, you would know this would displease Him immensely. But if you are an Atheist, you will simply sum up my thoughts about them as anti-semitism.

And let's not talk about their Rabbis rewriting their own Torah and the Bible too.
 
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They will pay. I can state that just as confidently as the fact that I will die one day.

Jewish people have a history of getting punished for their transgressions throughout the centuries and they still didn't learn anything. So they will suffer once more. This is just history repeating itself.

An example of their delusion: https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/punishments-land-and-people/

God's punishments against the Land. Not them. The Land.

This is how arrogant they are.
I know someone personally who believes as you do in the Jews-control-the-world conspiracy theory. I guarantee that isn’t the only bigoted, reprehensible and irrational belief you hold. Seriously get help.
 

fskimospy

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You don't understand religion like I do.

Jewish people find loopholes in their commandments. If they followed their original commandments to the letter, God would go easy on them. But they have a habit of arguing over the intricacies of their Torah instead of just doing what it says. If you understand God, you would know this would displease Him immensely. But if you are an Atheist, you will simply sum up my thoughts about them as anti-semitism.

And let's not talk about their Rabbis rewriting their own Torah and the Bible too.
Yes, clearly if I only understood religion better I would understand that god is punishing Jews for their sins and that this is a good thing.

I sincerely hope you are put on a long vacation or banned as you're a disgusting, immoral person.
 
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