darkswordsman17
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Iran really should be quite scared at (a) how precise the attack was and (b) how useless their defense against such attacks were. I mean basically Israel demonstrated they could pretty much obliterate anything in the country at will.
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Having said this and going back to the larger picture - I think Israel is no doubt guilty of massive war crimes in Gaza and their treatment of the Gaza people (regardless of their religion/ethnic) has been disgusting the past decade. I do not believe this treatment cause the Hamas terrorist attacks which is a different matter. I would like to see certain people in the Israel govt and army brought up and tried (and hopefully sentenced) for war crimes.
Having said this I believe Israel has the right to defend it self and it has shown reasonable constraint (probably with great pressure by the Biden adminstration) in their attacks against Iran. I do expect a public shift in position by the Biden adminstration (regardless of the election out come) once the elections take place on Nov 5th and I think such a shift would be correct.
Having said all of this i do not have an answer or even a suggestion for fixes for these conflicts. I believe that if Israel did not exist Saudi and Iran would be at war. If there was a two state solution for Palestinian (even if the Palestinian received most of what they asked for) a year later a new conflict would arise for some to be determined reason. Basically Israel ingenuity turned a land of have not into a land of have that surrounding areas could but have failed to copy and this conflict will never be resolved. In addition there will always be those who use religious difference as a basis to claim others do not have the right to exist and that has been going on in the middle east region for over 3000 years (basically before religion as we now know them). Part of the issue is a general backwardness of the people and a desire of leaderships to use this as a way to retain power and part of it might very well be something in the water that make people unable to get along.
Anyway that is my views on the matter and my prediction for the immediate future.
I am constantly baffled how people are surprised to find how shitty Russia and Iran, and other similar states, military/defense actually is. We know its shit. We've known its shit for decades. We knew it was shit back when Republicans were lying to justify spending trillions upon trillions to combat them. Iran's military has functionally not really improved since the 80s. Its gotten worse in many ways, improved in some others (purely out of technological progress that enables stuff like drones).
Its impossible to separate it, as both are pointing to current and thousands of years of grievances to justify further atrocities. Whatever specific examples they cite are pointless as there will always be another they'll point to. Doesn't matter its all pointless.
Maybe the US should give the land, that Israel agreed was not theirs, that they've stolen from Palestine, to Christians. This way they can properly start their Crusades and Armaggedon, which is what they all seem to want. Let them. And based on the "God said so" argument for why they deserve that land, they all have the claim. Let them find out who God wanted to win.
Oof, yeah I'm sure Israel fucking up the "have not" has nothing to do with them having not. UAE and Saudi Arabia, each, are wealthier than Israel so not even sure what you're talking about there. Iran and Iraq also both at times were far wealthier than Israel. The only reason Israel has the tech stuff they do is because of the defense industry buildup from America. I don't think backwardness has anything to do with it. I'm baffled again, but suddenly you being suprised that Iran's defenses being shit makes sense. You seem to think its early 1900s or something, that Lawrence of Arabia is still running around on horses and shit.