Israel: We Are At War

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you2

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meanwhile France and the UK seem to have grown cold feet about arresting bibi/gallant (stern phone call from mr 'rules based order' biden perhaps?)
More likely Trump on the side. Biden might not like it but Trump would use an axe on them.
 

Jaskalas

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That's the fucking dilemma, isn't it . . . separating support for the State of Israel to exist from their murderous, amoral criminal government. It really shouldn't be a "dilemma" at all.
But it IS difficult to stop Israel without also handing it over to Iranian terrorist proxies.
 

amenx

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But it IS difficult to stop Israel without also handing it over to Iranian terrorist proxies.
BS. Israel had created Hezbollah through their murderous 1982 Lebanon invasion. Iran logically supported them. Without Israeli terrorism, the legit Hezb resistance to Israel would not have arisen or come to being. The Israeli narrative has brainwashed so many ignorant folks on many of the underlying causes of conflict in the mid-east its ridiculous.

I do not like the Iran regime mainly for their oppression of their people. But can see many actions on their part as understandable in furthering their strategic interests in the region as part of what they view as an existential threat to them. Israel is a nuke power that wants to obliterate them. Irans actions are in response to that. Israel through all their actions have proven to be more the bad guy than Iran has.
 
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KMFJD

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back to the status quo although is it really a ceasefire when 'israel reserves the right to conduct operations within Lebanon? ' , i guess the attack on Tel Aviv last sunday must have really spooked them


fascists can't help themselves....they see defenceless civilians approaching and they just have to shoot them
 
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back to the status quo although is it really a ceasefire when 'israel reserves the right to conduct operations within Lebanon? ' , i guess the attack on Tel Aviv last sunday must have really spooked them


fascists can't help themselves....they see defenceless civilians approaching and they just have to shoot them

article said:
The Israeli military on Thursday said its warplanes fired on southern Lebanon after detecting Hezbollah activity at a rocket storage facility

I wonder if the IOF bothered to shout "they're coming right at us!" before firing.
 

Jaskalas

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BS. Israel had created Hezbollah through their murderous 1982 Lebanon invasion. Iran logically supported them. Without Israeli terrorism, the legit Hezb resistance to Israel would not have arisen or come to being. The Israeli narrative has brainwashed so many ignorant folks on many of the underlying causes of conflict in the mid-east its ridiculous.

I do not like the Iran regime mainly for their oppression of their people. But can see many actions on their part as understandable in furthering their strategic interests in the region as part of what they view as an existential threat to them. Israel is a nuke power that wants to obliterate them. Irans actions are in response to that. Israel through all their actions have proven to be more the bad guy than Iran has.
"If Israel did not exist, Iran wouldn't be trying to kill it"
Is not the response I expected from "If you disarm Israel, Iran will try to kill it".

But it DOES track as consistent, if not repetitive. Your statement does not change what I was saying. Israel without weapons faces an existential problem. You may be happy to see the Genocide flipped onto the Israelis, but people need to remember the nuclear weapons if they think disarming Israel is going to save lives. It's a cold calculation, but you're going to struggle to convince me that stronger terrorists would result in peace, stability, and less death.
 

amenx

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... It's a cold calculation, but you're going to struggle to convince me that stronger terrorists would result in peace, stability, and less death.
You are correct. Israel is the strongest, most vicious terrorist in the region and has never brought about "peace, stability, and less death".

Everything it has done since its creation was to solidify the permanence of its illegal land seizures and ethnically cleanse the indigenous populations with the aim of eventually annexing all the occupied territories.

All their actions would necessitate the emergence of resistance, yes violent resistance to them as would occur anywhere else in the world with any other peoples who have been routinely murdered, homes demolished, children slaughtered to make way for illegal settlements to replace them.

The narrative, which is widespread in the MSM, is that legit resistance movements are terrorists and the real terrorists with a record of genocidal tendencies and a history of unmitigated slaughter of innocents are somehow the 'good guys'.

The US is not supporting Israel out of a belief in their cause or whatever strategic interests it may provide, but rather completely out of political coercion from a Zio-lobby which you seem completely oblivious to. You think their statements of support are genuine, but every admin that has dealt with the Israels practically despises them. I know official statements of support from US admins are taken at face value by many gullible folks, but sadly they do have an impact on misinforming the masses.

I can also understand that many who are unfamiliar with the conflict can acquire ridiculously misinformed views from a warped MSM that leaves out much vital info or context due to pressures from antisemitism brigades or big businesses that may withhold advertising revenues. While other parts of the MSM are run by Zio-maniacs like the Murdochs of the world and which basically serve as Israels propaganda machine.
Your gullibility is a testament to that.
 
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KMFJD

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You are correct. Israel is the strongest, most vicious terrorist in the region and has never brought about "peace, stability, and less death".

Everything it has done since its creation was to solidify the permanence of its illegal land seizures and ethnically cleanse the indigenous populations with the aim of eventually annexing all the occupied territories.

All their actions would necessitate the emergence of resistance, yes violent resistance to them as would occur anywhere else in the world with any other peoples who have been routinely murdered, homes demolished, children slaughtered to make way for illegal settlements to replace them.

The narrative, which is widespread in the MSM, is that legit resistance movements are terrorists and the real terrorists with a record of genocidal tendencies and a history of unmitigated slaughter of innocents are somehow the 'good guys'.

The US is not supporting Israel out of a belief in their cause or whatever strategic interests it may provide, but rather completely out of political coercion from a Zio-lobby which you seem completely oblivious to. You think their statements of support are genuine, but every admin that has dealt with the Israels practically despises them. I know official statements of support from US admins are taken at face value by many gullible folks, but sadly they do have an impact on misinforming the masses.

I can also understand that many who are unfamiliar with the conflict can acquire ridiculously misinformed views from a warped MSM that leaves out much vital info or context due to pressures from antisemitism brigades or big businesses that may withhold advertising revenues. While other parts of the MSM are run by Zio-maniacs like the Murdochs of the world and which basically serve as Israels propaganda machine.
Your gullibility is a testament to that.
just replace Palestine for Ukraine and Israel for Russia and see western minds lose their fucking minds in the hypocrisy
 

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What makes what Putin is doing any different than what Netenyahu is doing any different from anything? Why has the UN called for war crimes on the latter and not the former?
Putin doesn't require our aid to target civilians whereas in the Israeli news that is not printed in English there are strong hints that our munitions are necessary.
Also I may be wrong but I haven't seen any Russian Military Generals calling Ukraine citizens human animals like Gallant did about Palestinians.

Now considering how the media has been very nice to Israel as opposed to Russia in the past year. If anyone spoke about Ukrainian citizens especially civilians as "animals" who was a Russian Government official. then Anthony Blinken would have highlighted it I am sure. Also if Russia was killing as many civilians as Netanyahu's government did (and continues to plan to do) by dropping 2,000 pound bombs in urban areas it would have been very much highlighted by our news media and government officials.
Another difference is this. Our government officials are as complicit in this as long as they wish to send munitions to Israel. While Russia thanks to Trump (who pulled out of a weapons test ban treaty which may have prevented such research) has developed missiles that the U.S. MIC hasn't developed a reliable way of shooting down yet.

I ain't interested in your biography.

Free Palestine.




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*edited to add the spaces and underline, also to fix spelling.
 
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KMFJD

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Bombed another World Kitchen convoy...the most moral army in the world


they also broke the ceasefire in Lebanon again...but then again it's only a ceasefire for the other guys, rules don't apply to our colony in the middle east
 
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amenx

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Bombed another World Kitchen convoy...the most moral army in the world

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they also broke the ceasefire in Lebanon again...but then again it's only a ceasefire for the other guys, rules don't apply to our colony in the middle east
Pretty sure they are lying when they say one of them involved in the Oct 7 attack. They routinely target aid workers or food convoys as part of their genocide plans. When they realized this (World Kitchen) may get a little more media attention, a convenient little lie was cooked up to exonerate their actions. SOP with the Israelis.
 
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KMFJD

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Pretty sure they are lying when they say one of them involved in the Oct 7 attack. They routinely target aid workers or food convoys as part of their genocide plans. When they realized this (World Kitchen) may get a little more media attention, a convenient little lie was cooked up to exonerate their actions. SOP with the Israelis.
Yeah, never any proof, always hearsay
 
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