Israel: We Are At War

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Muse

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Lol! MAGA claimed Trump was the "peace President" - a dove who hated war. Now they cheer a US invasion of Canada, Panama, Greenland and Gaza. Definitely a cult.

Donnie got a taste of that sweet imperialism when Putin invaded Ukraine, now he can't get enough. And Gaza is Mediterranean beachfront property to develop hotels to him. The Soon to be the bankrupt Trump Casino and Hotel Gaza. Watch for the land mines! What's he going to do? impose tariffs on the Palestinians until they leave?

2 weeks in and Grandpa needs to be in a home.
Yeah, he was motivated to think about this by Jerad Kushner who told him last year that Gaza's beachfront property is potentially very valuable. Trump envisions Gaza as "the Riviera of the Middle East."

Plan is getting "humanitarian nations" to accept 2 million Palestinians, then clear away all the rubble, remove land mines and then build a resort oasis, all overseen and presumably funded by the USA. Yeah, make America great again.
 
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Muse

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Lol! MAGA claimed Trump was the "peace President" - a dove who hated war. Now they cheer a US invasion of Canada, Panama, Greenland and Gaza. Definitely a cult.

2 weeks in and Grandpa needs to be in a home.
Well, so far the conquest of record is renaming the Gulf from Mexico to America.
 

Oric

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Oh yes, Erdogan's dreams come true, Türkiye will receive 1.8 Million more refugees.
 

mikeymikec

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GQP America annexing Gaza and going to war with Israel because the latter still wants lebensraum was not a possibility I had previously considered!

It would be one way to finally cut ties between America and Israel...

Would it count as a 'leopards eating faces' analogy for Israel to be double-crossed by Trump?
 

JTsyo

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Trump also signaled that he may be reconsidering an independent Palestinian state as part of a broader two-state solution to the decades-long Israel-Palestinian conflict.

“Well, a lot of plans change with time,” he told reporters when asked if he was still committed to a plan like the one he laid out in 2020 that called for a Palestinian state. “A lot of death has occurred since I left and now came back.”
Sounds to me that he's using this idea to set a base so his next bad idea for Gaza doesn't seem as bad. This is so out there he can't possibly think that it would fly.
 
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Sounds to me that he's using this idea to set a base so his next bad idea for Gaza doesn't seem as bad. This is so out there he can't possibly think that it would fly.
Lol, you think Trump thinks ahead? He almost certainly floated these ideas because they randomly popped into his swiss cheese brain when he was on tv, like some bad LLM.
 

eelw

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Lol I thought the former speaker was the spineless one. Johnson just gave a statement “taking over Gaza is a good thing”
 
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Lol I thought the former speaker was the spineless one. Johnson just gave a statement “taking over Gaza is a good thing”
More Jews back to Israel so Jesus can come back faster. Anyone who is evangelical and supporting Israel annexing territory has bat shit religious motivations.
 

amenx

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File under Panama, Greenland and other Trump insanities. All this does is solidify the worlds impression of a maniacal moron leading a world superpower. No one is going to agree to this other than the genocidal Zio-regime thats puppeteering US foreign policy.
 

UNCjigga

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GQP America annexing Gaza and going to war with Israel because the latter still wants lebensraum was not a possibility I had previously considered!

It would be one way to finally cut ties between America and Israel...

Would it count as a 'leopards eating faces' analogy for Israel to be double-crossed by Trump?
I thought Israel was onboard with this? They’re probably working out some deal where American contractors get to rebuild Gaza, Israel eventually takes over and keeps 70% as settlements and resorts, and the US keeps 30% for a joint forces Mediterranean base.

I mean—I assume that’s what is happening because it would be the least insane way to do what Trump announced. But he’s not known for doing things the least insane way.
 

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I thought Israel was onboard with this? They’re probably working out some deal where American contractors get to rebuild Gaza, Israel eventually takes over and keeps 70% as settlements and resorts, and the US keeps 30% for a joint forces Mediterranean base.

I mean—I assume that’s what is happening because it would be the least insane way to do what Trump announced. But he’s not known for doing things the least insane way.

I'm not sure the Israeli hard right actually wants America to take over Gaza. They want it for themselves and soon.
 
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eelw

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I'm not sure the Israeli hard right actually wants America to take over Gaza. They want it for themselves and soon.
Yup having American neighbours is actually even more problematic that the current situation. What’s stopping them from “oh we should just expand even more!!!”
 
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amenx

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I'm not sure the Israeli hard right actually wants America to take over Gaza. They want it for themselves and soon.
They would love for the US to take over Gaza. And let the US incur all the fallout for it. Then Israel would take it from the US like candy from a baby.
 

linkgoron

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They would love for the US to take over Gaza. And let the US incur all the fallout for it. Then Israel would take it from the US like candy from a baby.
Yes, their assumption would be (IMO rightly so) that the US forces would allow the hard right to behave as Hezbollah behaves in Southern Lebanon with UNIFIL and security resolution 1701.

The disengagement was a hard blow for them, and even "just" US taking over Gaza would be considered a gift from God for them.
 

UNCjigga

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Yup having American neighbours is actually even more problematic that the current situation. What’s stopping them from “oh we should just expand even more!!!”
I would imagine having American neighbors would still be preferable to Hamas or *shudder* ISIL, even at the risk of becoming Trump’s 52nd state (or is it 53rd after Greenland? I can’t keep track.)

Israel cannot forcibly remove all Palestinians from Gaza—bad optics. But who’s gonna fuck with the US if we do it for them?
 

amenx

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Yes, their assumption would be (IMO rightly so) that the US forces would allow the hard right to behave as Hezbollah behaves in Southern Lebanon with UNIFIL and security resolution 1701.

The disengagement was a hard blow for them, and even "just" US taking over Gaza would be considered a gift from God for them.
With Trump in office, and if the US ever went through with this hair-brained 'non-plan' to take over Gaza (very unlikely), I doubt they would let the US stay there for very long. The Israelis would quickly take it over and re-settle it. The Israelis are in charge of US mid-east policy, NOT the US.
 

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Trump officials walk back Trumps Gaza Strip Mall plans


But not his proposal that Gaza’s population of 2.2 million Palestinians be displaced from their land.

I suspect Netanyahu simply softly whispered into Trumps ear something like "Help me get these fucking Palestinians off my land" and "You could make billions" to Trump fifteen minutes before the announcement, and Trumps snow white beady eyes lit up around his face bronzer. That was probably the extent of any geo-political analysis within the Trump White House.

More frantic sane washing of a dementia addled idiot. Republicans are tying themselves in knots trying to turn Trump's nonsense into something that will make sense to the MAGA faithful so they keep on giving them money.

Taking Gaza is an obscene/insane idea even for him. It will only bring the threat of terrorism to our shores again and this time, it's on Trump.
 

manly

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I thought Israel was onboard with this? They’re probably working out some deal where American contractors get to rebuild Gaza, Israel eventually takes over and keeps 70% as settlements and resorts, and the US keeps 30% for a joint forces Mediterranean base.

I mean—I assume that’s what is happening because it would be the least insane way to do what Trump announced. But he’s not known for doing things the least insane way.
Even if the U.S. ultimately kept all of the Gaza strip, I think Israel is okay with that. 2M Palestinians are someone else's problem, Gaza is presumably no longer a safe haven for Hamas; and Israel could pour all of their efforts into annexing most of the West Bank.

If there's an agreement between Trump and Bibi to partition Gaza, mostly at U.S. taxpayer expense, Israel loves that even more.
 
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mikeymikec

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Even if the U.S. ultimately kept all of the Gaza strip, I think Israel is okay with that. 2M Palestinians are someone else's problem, Gaza is presumably no longer a safe haven for Hamas; and Israel could pour all of their efforts into annexing most of the West Bank.

I highly doubt that Israel will be OK with it. Israel's desire to eliminate Palestine is at least primarily based on Zionist beliefs, and you can't have a Law of Return work indefinitely without sufficient land. The Israeli people are happy with genocide being committed in the name of their beliefs, expecting a change in long-term strategy from people like that is like expecting MAGA fanatics to start adopting common sense and reason.

Trump's idea would have long term repercussions: Historically America has made some bad foreign policy decisions and they're half the reason why there are strong opinions at home about "America shouldn't be playing world police". Now countries in the Middle East are seeing America *move in*? For what purpose other than personal gain, and if it's solely for that purpose then where and why would they stop taking more land? There have been warnings in the past about American foreign policy stirring up the hornet's nest in the Middle East, and those policies pale in comparison to this one.

The only way I see this working to America's advantage and the general cooling of tempers in the ME is if Trump's plans don't get very far, so that when Trump's successor wants to pull out of Gaza, there isn't much of America's worth fighting over in Gaza, so America withdraws without wounding their pride, Israel gets Gaza handed to them on a platter, and the former pre-Trump status quo / normality is reverted back to. This is all assuming that America moving into Gaza doesn't start some serious shit that several collective egos can't easily walk away from.

Personally I think (I hope) that Trump's announcement is simply more blather, much like this Panama/Greenland business: more distraction from the self-coup he's conducting on the American government.
 
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manly

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I highly doubt that Israel will be OK with it. Israel's desire to eliminate Palestine is at least primarily based on Zionist beliefs, and you can't have a Law of Return work indefinitely without sufficient land. The Israeli people are happy with genocide being committed in the name of their beliefs, expecting a change in long-term strategy from people like that is like expecting MAGA fanatics to start adopting common sense and reason.
I'm no Israel expert, but I'm not aware that Israel's official state policy is to eliminate Palestine. We should draw a distinction between the Israeli people (many of whom don't support Bibi), and the Zionists/far right. If Bibi falls, perhaps a more sane ruling coalition comes to power.

The Gaza strip is a pretty small piece of land. The point I and others made is that if 2M Gazans were forcibly expelled by DJT, they have no right to return. It's flagrantly illegal, so of course Trump proposed it. In our opinion, the U.S. does all the dirty work and even pays for it, so why would Bibi object? Bibi had showed over many years that he viscerally hated Presidents Obama and Biden; while he has a very strong relationship with Trump, why would Bibi go along with an insane idea that he doesn't even like? (At the least, he'd complain to Trump privately.) The Israeli defense minister was gung ho about the proposal, even demanding Western countries take in refugees from Gaza.

OTOH over decades, Israel has been illegally building settlements in the West Bank, making it all but impossible for there to be a mutually agreeable two state solution (as intended during the Clinton administration). So it seems like that's the land that Israel wants to steal the most.

Like I said, if there's already a secret pact between Trump and Bibi to partition Gaza, the Zionists would be even happier. But IMHO they'd settle for just expelling all 2M Gazans into other nations if that rids them of their Hamas problem. I'm not saying this is a practical idea in any way, shape or form. A new Nakba would just create more resistance, and terrorists.

LOL Marco Rubio is saying resettling 2M Palestinians would only be temporary. 🤣 Who are these mofos trying to fool. No idea what Trump's goal is, but we should never accuse him of playing 4D chess. Stealing Gaza or Greenland appear to be very low probability options, at least compared to a "special military operation" at the Panama Canal.
 
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